[tmtranscripts] 01-05-02 SPOKANE TEACHER BASE

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DATE:           January 5, 2002
LOCATION:       Spokane, Washington, USA
TEACHERS:   TIMOTHY, DOLORES
TOPICS:     Order and Chaos; Fear and Ignorance; Change and Chaos; Evil
T/R's:          Ginny; Gerdean

TIMOTHY:    This is Timothy.  Greetings, my friends.  We have been immensely 
enjoying your discussions before our communications with you.  It is showing 
us that you indeed are progressing very nicely.  We are so thrilled to be 
able to be among you and hear you speak so eloquently of spiritual things, 
for believe me it is not a very frequent sight.  On the whole,  who can 
discuss without fighting or arguing?  It is a great step that you have taken 
and it is a great comfort to us to know that our mission is succeeding very 
nicely.  

Can you imagine what this universe would be without order?  Can you imagine 
this Grand Universe and the Master Universe existing without order?  And, as 
you have so eloquently discussed, there are times when chaos is creative and 
there are times when order can be stifling.  So I would like to simply add a 
few comments about your discussions.  I have been coaching this T/r for 
awhile and I am pleased that she is listening to me.

GINNY:  Thank you, Timothy.

TIMOTHY:  Yes, it is very difficult on your world at this time but not so 
much as it was before, to listen to divine or spiritual guidance, since there 
seems to be such a scramble by most people simply to stay alive or to keep on 
top.  They are both very exhausting.  

And another word you might toss around is balance.  We do not like to see 
scramblers who simply need to disregard the needs of others to get to the 
top, nor do we like to see scramblers who are not even able to have necessary 
things and it will be a great task for your world at this point to begin to 
find the balance between the haves and the have nots, for peace also exists 
where there is balance.   

Your body is not at peace when it gets out of balance. Your society will not 
be at peace when it gets out of balance.  There is a beginning sense on your 
planet now that things need to be in balance but it will be a little while 
yet before that will actually occur. There will be yet more conflicts, more 
destruction, before you can find that middle ground.  

Keep your eyes focused on your potential.  Keep yourselves uplifted by 
knowing who you are and not worry so much about how you fit in, for there 
will be a time when we will all be aware of each other, that Urantians will 
be comfortable with meeting and knowing beings from other planets, and there 
are many people now who are eager to see them and meet them.  

I would like to speak a little bit about two things that keep you from being 
aware of your true selves and that is fear and ignorance.  Most of your 
suffering - mental, physical or otherwise - is caused by fear and ignorance.  
You were not put here to see how much you can suffer. You know why you are 
here, all of you, each of you, so we don't have to tell you that, but we do 
have to keep reminding you that fear and ignorance are great barriers to 
spiritual freedom. Your spiritual growth is not meant to be a burden. We are 
not here to see how much you can suffer, to see who can suffer the most. So 
learn to be aware of your fears, of your ignorance, and do not allow those 
things to become so immense that you forget who you are and where your 
destiny is.  

It has been a pleasure talking with you today, and we are immensely pleased 
with your repartee among each other and your willingness to share and your 
stunning growth.  Good evening.

DOLORES:  Good evening, I am Dolores, on the heels of my associate, Timothy, 
with words of encouragement and camaraderie for you who are with us in this 
effort toward bringing greater light and life into your world. 

GINNY:  Welcome.

DOLORES:  Hello, Daughter/ Sister. We appreciate your allowing yourself to be 
used, to be moved by the Spirit, to serve by allowing the sensitivity of the 
faith child to respond to the Master's touch in and through these many 
avenues wherein you may find yourself and where you may hone your awareness 
of who you are and how you will operate on behalf of the Father's business.  

Timothy discussed balance, and I'm looking at the two-sided coin which 
encourages your development and which also curtails your growth because of 
your desire to stay in control of where you perceive yourself to be.  The 
making of decisions is allowing change, encouraging growth, and therein you 
find that the life which you knew has become a new energy pattern.

Even as one of you may enjoy a new relationship with another, the molecular 
characteristics of your arena alter to accommodate the new relationship, and 
yet again as you become a group and emerge into teamwork through three and 
four and more, each time your environment alters to provide for the energy 
patterns of each other. When you disallow another's energy patterns, you 
invite chaos. 

I speak to you as if you were all enlightened.  When you are invited to know 
yourself, it is the emerging soul self which we refer to.  In this way we 
become a part of the organism of life, the spiritual organism. We've become 
connected.  There is appropriate self-forgetfulness as you embark upon the 
pattern of working together in unity of purpose.  The advantage of an ability 
to work together in this way is that you begin to follow the guidance of the 
greater reality, and as a number of you together are enjoined in this 
synergy, you gain strength exponentially.  

And so, even though there may be few of you of like mind, even so, the power 
that you potentially have may, through creative order, bring about that 
impetus to alter the course of destiny.  Love is more contageous than hate.  
Light is more powerful than the darkness.  When you begin to work creatively 
within the divine order of the universe, your chaos makes sense.  It's a part 
of the reconstruction or the reassimilation of those energies which combine 
together to exalt the purpose of the infinite, and thus inherently the 
universe is working with you.

If you think about it, you can interpret that the Pope has already endorsed a 
galactic neighborhood, in that he has acknowledged the existence of angels.  
And the thing that holds you back, as a race of people, from embracing the 
cosmic neighborhood as your own back yard, with all its particulars, is the 
residue fear and ignorance that the universe may not be a friendly place 
after all, and that is based upon your mortal experience as having shown you 
that your immediate environment is not necessarily always a friendly 
environment, but putting these perspectives into your overall comprehension 
of where we are in terms of planetary evolution, epochal development, it will 
give you additional impetus to encourage the concept and to even assume the 
faith of others as being not too far removed form your own.  It's when you 
look upon each other as enemies or as on opposing teams that your 
obstructions become tangible and problematic.  Lead the way.  Pave the way, 
then, into the new dispensation by revealing your relationship with the 
universe.

The marriage of science and religion will come to pass when we are able to 
feel comfortable that what intelligent life in the universe is, is an 
extension of Paradise, and not an extension of the baser nature of unevolved 
chaos.  

And so I reiterate with Timothy how happy we are to see your perseverence, to 
appreciate your companionship. We delight to be your friends and associates 
in this wonderful opening of the circuits that have kept you isolated for 
your own protection, but that now has eliminated the danger and encourages 
your advancement into your cosmic neighborhood, the kingdom as it has come to 
be throughout the far-flung universe, in all its many variations.

Are there questions, or do you want to skip right to the party?

GINNY:  I just don't know, Dolores, who you are.  I enjoy your communications 
with us but I'm not sure I know where you came from and who you are.

DOLORES:  I will give you a bit of background.  I am a part of the Teacher 
Corp.  I am what you might call an intern, as I had been assigned as a 
personal teacher to one of you who has gone beyond, and while I have an 
interest in the "Teaching Mission" and since I have experience, inasmuch as I 
regard you my friend, I have asked to be of further service and my request 
has been granted.  I am thus in training for a group.  In time it is hoped 
that I will be "picked up" by one of the fledgling groups now in formation.  
It feels more comfortable for us all when we have had some sense of practice 
in this process.  And thanks to you, I am gaining experience in this process 
of being a group teacher as compared to being a personal teacher.  

GINNY:  Thank you.  I'm glad you're here.

THOROAH:  I used to give substitute teachers a real hard time, so I learned 
my lesson there.

DOLORES:  I want you to know I have friends in high places.  If you want to 
play rough, I'll call them in to accompany us.  You have challenged me.  I'm 
willing to dish it out if you can take it.  

THOROAH:  I've learned enough not to overstate my case.  I was thinking along 
the line of chaos, that it's also a part of a perception and perspective 
sometimes, is it not?  I mean, we can go along in an very orderly fashion and 
then something comes in and disrupts that order, which is basically change, 
and without realizing it, it is probably a part of a new order that we are 
going to be moving into but we just don't recognize it as order, at first.  
We recognize it as change or chaos at first, but  then it evolves into order, 
and then something else will come along and try to disrupt that, and it's a 
sort of a flow.  But our perspective sometimes makes something seem like it's 
chaos when it might not be.

DOLORES:  It is mota, yes.  These lessons are only learned as you ascend, 
even as you ascend in this experiential existence.  For what else is growth 
but to assimilate a farther view, a greater grasp of reality?  I'll call 
attention to the story of the flood.  In that time the records indicated the 
world was flooded except for Noah and his family and this legend has survived 
through centuries of retelling and still today they search for the remnants 
of the ark, and we know that the world has not been flooded since it has been 
inhabited by man.  And we only know this through revelation.  And the 
appreciation dawns that what was true for a certain mental framework serves 
until such time as the capacity for a greater mental framework is 
constructed, and then the message is broadened to expand your perception, 
even the perception of the universe.  So you see how it is that as you pay 
attention, as you seek to know, you will be given answers, you will be 
broadened, your perspective will be increased, but this causes certain chaos 
in the mental realms until such time as the situation is such that the change 
is appropriate.  And then the old structure falls and the new structure takes 
its place. What chaos that brings into the mind will depend upon how far 
aroused the mind has become to assimilating spirit values.  Part of your 
eternal career is in allowing the ignorant and the untested to fall away, to 
be replaced by that which is tried and true in a bigger reality.

I'm going to go so far as to say that in one of your human strata stages of 
development you may have enjoyed the perception of Santa Clause or the Easter 
Bunny, for a moment or two, but you  grew away from that understanding of 
icon to the more sublime realization of the Gift Giver and the Resurrection.  
It's just a matter of soul growth, spirit comprehension, and certainly while 
in the beginning it creates great havoc, as you pursue your faith path, the 
chaos is lessened because you have experienced time and again that the order 
that you have come to regard as divine order will resume, in fact has never 
been out of order, but only has changed scrims in order for you to enact your 
next plateau of human drama.  

GINNY:  I'd like to change the subject somewhat, quite a bit.  And if any 
other teacher wants to handle this …  During the Christmastime I was with a 
friend of mine.  We were talking about the September 11th disaster and … as 
you were talking, Dolores, what you were talking about sort of threw me onto 
this idea of evil.  I don't know why, but it did.   And then I remembered my 
friend's concern.  She looked at me very intently and said, "Well, you know, 
Ginny, there is evil in the world.  You know that, don't you."  I was just so 
taken aback by that statement.  I even forget what I said.  I think it was 
something to the effect that I did not believe (I tried to make it personal, 
on what my believes were, because I have a tendency to dump my beliefs on 
other people)….  I said that I believed that there was no longer a 
personified evil in the world, and that I thought that there's a lot that's 
going wrong in our world that is not really evil, and that people that we 
call evil, I don't look at as evil, I look at as misguided.  And I felt a 
little sad that she would still be attached to that personified evil in the 
world.  So I hope I was able … 

 I don't want to be silent when people say something to me like that, for 
fear that I will offend them.  I want to be more aggressive and more  
assertive in what I believe, but at the same time I really fear starting an 
argument and spoiling a relationship with another person because of our 
different beliefs.  But I did want to discuss that with her.  So I guess my 
concern is not so much about the concept of evil in the world as how can we 
find a way to discuss things, especially religious things, without hurting 
each other or without starting arguments?  That is so difficult. 

DOLORES:  Thank you for your question. I was going to give it to one of the 
more experienced teachers here but I was offered the opportunity to respond. 
The season and the circumstances of which you reference, presented indeed an 
opportunity to grow as a teacher and as a fellow, and we are comforted when 
you bring these questions to our attention for this is how the apostles once 
did with Jesus and he would sit and discuss their concerns. In this way they 
are shared with the other apostles and your experience becomes then the 
experience of others.  

The evil of terrorism, that which your country was hit with on September 11, 
was a great evil indeed.  When your friend suggests, "You know, there is evil 
in the world, don't you?" the truth is, "Absolutely!  All imperfection is 
evil in some measure because it is imperfect." But this means you must define 
your terms. If your friend, by looking into your eye was saying, "You know, 
the Devil exists," which is what I perceive you understood her to mean …

GINNY:  Yes.

DOLORES:  … you missed an opportunity by accepting her premise.  And it might 
have been an opportunity for you to pause and ask her to rephrase or to 
reiterate what she was saying, for in saying "There is evil in the world" you 
could have agreed with her and become one with her, even with those who 
experienced the travesty of 9/11 and those who perpetrated the travesty of 
9/11, allowing the concept to be a universal concept of anything less than 
ultimate perfection. You personify evil by diverting it to the icon of old, 
giving him power, bringing him back into her consciousness as a confirmed and 
viable reality.  

It is a peculiarity of the modern races of Urantia that "the evil one" is 
implied by the nature of the existence of evil, as if to say there's no room 
for growth.  You are either saved or not saved.  You are either on God's side 
or on some other side.  This either/or approach to theology is inadequate; it 
sets up a polarity that makes communications difficult.  

Yes, there is evil in the world, and as Timothy was discussing, what is this 
but fear and ignorance.  As the light of truth is able to cast out doubt and 
darkness, the light can shine.  In this light is spirit luminosity.  There is 
only God and those infinite shadows of degrees of not knowing God, but there 
is none beside him.

You will have other opportunities to discourse with your friend because you 
have not alienated her and have allowed her to express her raw feelings and 
reactions to something as terrible as what your mutual concern is about.  But 
use your knowledge of Our Father and this planet's history to bring a new 
perspective to the table, a new dimension to your relationship. If you so 
choose.

GINNY:  I have a tendency to be more concerned (I learned this by another 
exchange I had with my sister), to be more interested in whether a person is 
theologically correct rather than try to empathize with the fact of their 
sharing, that they are sharing of themselves with me.  I do that quite 
easily, and it's something I would like to correct. So thank you for your 
advice and insight. This is still Dolores, right?

DOLORES:  Yes. I will act upon your remarks to say your tendency is a remnant 
of your competitive practices. As you begin to look with a new view, you will 
relinquish your need to function tit for tat and your dimension of operation 
will provide you a great new range of operation.  You'll have much more fun 
investigating the subject of spirituality as compared to religion, and you'll 
trigger in your hearers, in your associates, that which will enable you to 
become a fisher of men.  This we will work with you toward.  

How our combined cosmic heart swells in gratification at your yearning to 
grow and be more than you are and all that you can be in the greater reality. 
Little sisters and brothers, we lift our voice and our countenance to the 
Eternal Parents on Paradise to envelop us in their love and their grace, to 
strengthen us with their power, and to wash us with their mercy.  

Be about His business in your business, until we meet again. Farewell.

GROUP:  Thank you.

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