[tmtranscripts] S.E. Idaho Transcript 7-1-03

[Bill Kelly]

S.E.  Idaho TeaM
07-01-03
Topic: Love

Prayer: (Bob S.)  While your mind is on God, hear these words of comfort.

Michael: My children seek not the ways of the world for they are temporary.
 Rather open (your) eyes to the world beyond your sight, the world you can
only imagine in your mind.  Through the book and this group, your mind is
open.  Keep that attitude, for it is the way God seeks his children to be.
Father, I pray these young ones, in their ignorance and sincerity, will
find within themselves that which lifts them up to Your ways, to the ways
of Truth, Beauty and Goodness.  Amen.

Daniel(Bill ):  Greetings dear friends, I am Daniel, well known to you:
your teacher, your companion, your very proud older brother and your guide
along these sometimes bumpy paths of mortal living where the branches,
which occur, tempt you to lose your bearings.  

It is my privilege and joy to once again be here with you.  I will
immediately recognize our two visitors, daughters of God and sisters of all
of us.  Your lights shine brightly. Your soul energies are as lights to
those of us who see you in this place this evening.  You are only a small
portion of the personalities in attendance tonight.  If you had spiritual
vision you would see that there is, as it were, an amphitheater which
surround this room, where the seats are jammed packed with visitors,
student visitors, your faithful guardian Seraphim, your teachers;
administrators of this spiritual realm, are in attendance as well.  You are
exactly as St. Paul described, surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses.
We all witness this occasion.

My topic tonight is a return to the most fundamental reality.  It is once
again another lesson, discussion, of the meaning and purpose of LOVE.  As
you are acutely aware, the word love is a multi-dimensional word, with
meanings which vary according to the context of its use. The English
language is not as sophisticated as some other languages on this planet
that have different words for different aspects of love. I will review just
for a moment, with you, three of the meanings of the word love, which are
not my major concerns this evening, although they are important realities
in your lives.

There is the love which denotes affection, strong liking.  You say: I love
chocolate and I eat it at every opportunity.  You say: I love my automobile
and I love to show it off to my friends.  You say: I just loved that movie
and the performance of the actors and so forth.  Strong affection!  That
which pleases you!  

There is the love of another person for their kinship connection.  You love
each other as brothers and sisters because you are blood related.  You love
your parents and parents love their children because they are of the same
flesh and blood.  

And then there is the love of passion, of strong romantic and sexual
attraction, the love of the Hollywood movie, the love at first sight, which
when you think about it, has to be basically a reflex reaction before you
actually know another person.  This is the love which drives the
reproduction of the species.  It is all a part of the intention of the Life
Carriers, to do this intense bonding you often refer to in the concept of
two halves coming together into a whole which is complete.  This is the
love of the sexual and romantic attraction.

In all three aspects of love: strong liking, strong affection, the first;
the second family attraction and caring; and third, the strong romantic
sexual attraction, there is a reciprocal relationship.  The partnership
between family members is obvious, doesn't need me to elaborate.  Families
are essential to the continuance of civilization and so there is that give
and take.  There is the obvious give and take of the erotic romantic
relationship where the two complement each other.  And in the first aspect
the word love is probably a poor choice, a better word would be some other
designation that does not use those letters L-O-V-E.  For in that case the
relationship is one sided, the object that is of affectionate value
provides some need for the person who desires it, whether it be the vanity
of a beautiful car, the pleasure of the taste of chocolate or whatever.
Here the reciprocation is non-personal.  

The love of which I speak more about is the fourth meaning.  It has been
designated in the Greek language as 'Agape'.  It is a different concept,
for there is no ingestion of value from the loved object to the person
loving.  The love here is an overflowing, a giving purely for the wish to
give, the cherishing simply because the giver finds that other person to be
of great value in themselves and not in what they can return to the giver.
This is unconditional love; this is love with no selfish component.  This
is the love which powers the universe.


Philosophers and theologians have speculated as to why God created His
universe.  Some have said God was lonely; others that He needed other
beings to worship Him and to express their appreciation so it would satisfy
His heart of the need to be appreciated.  Of course, these are what you
term anthropomorphic notions of motivation.  They think of God as though He
were a person of human stature.  But even some of your artists and
musicians, playwrights, etc., have caught a sense of the motivation of the
God of Universes.  They have experienced the pure pleasure of creating
something beautiful in itself.  They understand the notion that they don't
do their art or music in order to be applauded, to be rewarded, to be paid.
 At those moments of high creativity they share the feeling of pure
pleasure in the doing of a beautiful, noble, and unique thing. 

We are taught that the Paradise Trinity, after creating a perfect universe
from eternity, which reflects their nature in repletion, decided to share
creativity with other personal beings.  And so, this time-space universe
that you live in, that we live in, is an opportunity for others to
co-create with God, both themselves and the environment that they live in.
Your reason for being is to become God like and share in His love, which is
expressed in one facet in creativity.  It was Gods' desire to share His
creation with other personal beings that He brought into existence, this
universe.  (The Trinity did not personally create this universe.  It is the
creation of their Sons and Daughters, the Creator Sons, and Creator Spirits).

The Trinity decided to share their creative power with others so that they
could experience the joy of co-creation with God, bringing into existence
the perfected status as a result of their long struggle to control all the
factors of the environment which are chaotic, and all the factors of
temperament and character which the personality desires to unify and bring
into cohesive balance.

Love then, is partly expressed in creativity and in the sharing of
creativity. 
The other part of Love is the desire to serve others, to do good to other
people.  It is that urge you feel to help another person learn and
progress, and achieve, and feel good about themselves; not to do it for
them but to assist them when they desire it in any way that you can; to
serve them where they are in need of service.  This desire to share with
other people, this desire to serve other people, and this desire to
co-create your self is all an aspect of love.  

You see, within each of you there is a piece of God, a Fragment of His
prepersonal essence, which seeks to blend with your mind. The result is a
soul, which is growing and which will survive death, so that your personal
existence is not limited to this short mortal life.  Depending on your
choice, You will continue to go on and on as you grow and expand and become
part of the completion process of all creation in its personal aspects, as
they, in turn, bring under their control the remaining environment.

Love is the desire to do good to others; and love is the desire to serve
others; and love is the creativity and co-creativity, which empowers your
lives.  

I have said enough to allow you now time to react to these words.  Have I
been confusing, and hard to understand?  If so please feel free to ask
questions.  There are no restrictive rules on our discussions.  All things
are permissible.  The floor is yours.


Ken: Greetings Daniel my old friend.  (Hello Ken)  It's nice to hear from
you.  I appreciate your lesson this evening on the four aspects of love.
It's always nice; it's always good to hear that lesson repeated, to give us
new and larger insights into the love of the Father.  Thank you Daniel,
thank you.

Daniel: Yes Ken I appreciate your encouragement and like any teacher we do
find ourselves repeating concepts.  Perhaps I should add a little bit to my
talk that would assist you.  I have talked about what love is but I've only
partially implied why it's important.  Perhaps it would be wise for me to
expand on that aspect for a moment.

You see, one of the questions you must ask yourself is this one
and I'm not
suggesting that by the way you haven't asked it.  I'm saying this is an
essential question.  Assuming there is a God and assuming there is a
universe of meaning, and not simply accidental causation, assuming there is
purpose, then what is my purpose in life?  Or what is THE purpose of life?
Is there a larger purpose that I would like to become a part of?  This is
the question that addresses its self in adolescence.  What shall I do with
my life?  What do I want to become?  What are my goals? You know what
answers your culture offers.  For many cultures there aren't a lot of
choices.  In the primitive cultures, it is simply to become a good tribal
member, to raise a family, to sustain some sort of living and so forth.
But in your culture you have quite a bit of leeway. 

The issue of this question Jesus often addressed in His parables and
stories.  He once told a story about a rich farmer, who was very
prosperous, and whose barns were not big enough to hold all his crops. So
he decided to build bigger barns and then he could retire and enjoy his
life and rest on his laurels. In His story, Jesus said, but that night his
soul was required of him, in other words he died.  And what was the outcome
of his life?  Today we say one who dies with the most toys wins.  It's the
same idea.  So that's one answer.  The purpose of life is to make money and
use it to do what ever you wish.  

But, another answer is the one that Jesus gave, and He said, and I
paraphrase, "Make it your first priority to seek the Will of God and all
these things that you need will come to you naturally, and even some that
you desire".  The words in the New Testament rendering are "Seek first the
Kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these thing shall be added to
you.  For what shall it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his
own soul?"  

Why is it important that we be connected to love?  Because it is love that
will guide our values in the right direction.  Jesus did not say to become
a monk, to give up all earthly pleasures, to torture yourself with
asceticism, and you will achieve heaven.  Nothing of the sort!  Put first
the will of God in your life!  The will of God is that that you love Him,
love yourself and everyone else as yourself; that you value the
personalities that you meet;  that you realize that people are the most
important value in the world, not things; that your relationships matter
the most, not what you own and possess.  That's why love is important.
It's the juice that runs the universe.  It is the motivation of God to
create this imperfect universe so that we might have a share in its
perfecting process, so that we might learn to become God like and reach,
eventually, the same perfected state by our own efforts in partnership with
God's indwelling, guiding Spirit. 

So now, I do think I have completed my talk satisfactorily.  Are there
other question or comments?  Dialog with me if you wish.

Virginia: Daniel, your latest commentary immediately brought up a situation
that I have to look at. I do believe that there are many, and I use the
word, good people, that are putting a top value first, all over this
planet, and yet they do not see all their needs being met or their
children's needs being met.  And, I got to believe when I hear God's
promise that all things shall be given to you, that there's going to be a
better opportunity, and I don't want to say 'pie-in-the-sky by and by', I'm
not trying to say that.  But, a better opportunity when all human needs are
going to be met either now or as they grow in the future in the next life.

Daniel: and your question?

Virginia: My question is: I would like to believe that this concept is
correct, yet I know that all their needs are not being met even for
spiritual people', those who are showing love.  So!  My question is: this
promise is out there, and I believe God, therefore, it has to be fulfilled
at another time.  Is this correct?

Daniel: No! Okay,it is not incorrect either.  Your phrasing of the
situation is incomplete.  Your examples are somewhat restricted.  Let me
explain.

I realize there are religionists who take these words of Jesus as a
bargain, as an agreement
if we do the will of God, then He will do these
things for us.  In fact, some of them take it to the extreme that He will
make them rich.  That kind of understanding is promoted among certain sects
of Christianity.  Isn't that true?

Virginia: Yes!  I've certainly heard that, yes.

Daniel: I say to you no and yes because when you make judgements about a
person's material, emotional, and mental status, you are exposing yourself
to great error possibility.  The level of satisfaction that some people
derive from what you would regard as an inadequate material level of living
might surprise you.  You may recall that there's no direct correlation
between material success and happiness after the basic material needs are
met.  So the question is how you define or who is to define what these
basic needs are?  That's one of the issues.  If you are thinking of the
mostly agreed upon, shelter, and enough food for nutrition, and the chance
to rest, as three basic needs, then, granted there are some people who are
not experiencing those, I will admit.  
 
It's also very likely, and it's true, that there are people with very
simple needs being met at a physical level, but who are having greater
needs met at an emotional and spiritual level; that is, they have better
family structures, they have more family love.  They are united together
and so their needs are being met in this way.  

The yes to your question has to do with the future which is, as you know
from the study of the book, that if a person chooses to survive all of
their deficiency that they experienced in mortal life will be made up.  You
see, it's not the environment that you live in that is most important, as I
was trying to say earlier.  Environments may vary and yet people may have
equal satisfaction from various levels of what you might regard as
depravation.  It's not the environment per se; it's how a person reacts to
that environment that is important.  So, if you grew up in poverty, lived
all your life in poverty and then went to the Mansion Worlds, would you
suddenly live in a wealthy estate to make up for the poverty you
experienced in your planetary life (I don't think so) No!  That isn't that
way it works.  What you will make up is the deficiencies in your spiritual
growth, which I might add, are more likely to occur in people who live in a
wealthy physical environment, because their challenges are fewer at times.

Virginia: Thank you Daniel and (is that helpful?) Yes!  Even as you were
talking I thought of the fact that perhaps the greatest need that we have
is that we would be able to react in a spiritual way, no matter what the
circumstances are.  So that when people
 when that promise is given, maybe
it doesn't mean bread, water and butter, but maybe it really means
satisfaction of knowing that you have chosen to be on the part of Truth,
Beauty, and Goodness.

Daniel:  Well my dear, you have taken the words right out of my mouth!
That is precisely what I was trying to communicate.  Thank you very much
for putting it into the concise words you just did.  Yes!

Virginia: Thank you Daniel.  I really wasn't trying to be the devil's
advocate, but there is so much that you see in the world that


Daniel: If this world was all there was, as many people think, and God is
responsible for the injustice and inequity; and there is no larger plan,
there is no larger universe picture, then indeed would the anger of many be
justified, for God would be obviously unfair, impotent, unloving,etc.  If
this world is all there is and you try to explain people's circumstances
without an infinity point of view
 anger and atheism is your conclusion.  

"Pie in the sky by and by" has been used to characterize a type of religion
which despairs of this world ever progressing to completion and promises
people the rewards of heaven.  And while in a sense it is true that there
is life after death which is so much better than this world, it is wrong to
put religion in the role of the pie maker who can't deliver his wares until
the Fair begins next week, and can't do anything to help the person today
who is hungry.  

You know that you are intensely involved in the co-creation of yourselves,
so that you can influence others and that society as a whole gradually be
elevated and spiritually advanced.  As spiritual advancement occurs,
material inequity an injustice will be obliterated, for you cannot truly
love another person and treat him unjustly. God's purpose is that His sons
and daughters of all the planets of His vast universe will reach the
maximum of the status in each of their planetary histories, Light and Life,
on the planetary level, in the mortal career.  But then, that is just the
beginning of this wonderful advancement.  Enormous ideas, these.

The two things that I want you to remember is that one of the aspects of
love is your freewill gift of personality, which allows you to co-create
yourself and be part of a society which is co-creating itself; that is the
first thing.  The second thing is that you can let that love flow through
you to other people in your service, and in that flow movement you are
feeling God in you.  You are feeling God's feelings of LOVE AND SERVICE.
And you do it because this is the heartbeat of the universe.  

Virginia: Thank you Daniel.

Daniel: Thank you Virginia for engaging me in getting my juices stirred up
so that I completed my intention with the original talk.  Other questions
or comments?  Disagreements?

Bob S: Daniel there is one aspect of what you discussed which causes me
great difficulty, and I suspect others have difficulties (yes Bob, tell me
about it).  When we are told we are must love everyone because we are all
brothers and sisters
 we have difficulty with that and your lesson tonight,
I think, helps us deal with that by broadening our definition of love; but
at the same time, what can you say that would help us
 what can we do that
would help us love everyone, as we start to recognize that everyone is our
brother and our sister?  Because we get hung up in our limited
understanding of love and say it's not possible for me to love that person.
 I don't know that person, others I do know, I don't like.  What can you
say that would help us take the next step?

Daniel: Very important question!  First of all, you need to be honest with
yourself and admit that you might not like other people.  That is sort of a
'gut' reaction.  If you want to become analytical then ask yourself - why
don't I like that other person?  If you can get past superfluous reasons
such as: I don't like the color of their hair; they are too fat; they are
too skinny; they have the wrong color skin
(I call these superfluous
reasons because they have to do with appearance)
you may discover what you
don't like about that other person is more a matter of their attitudes, and
their behaviors.  Does that make sense so far?  (yes)  

Now what do you know about their attitudes and behaviors?  What do you know
about the origins of them?  Nothing!  Probably!  (nothing, very little)  At
this point you have to ask yourself this question.  Granted I don't like
the way this person acts and what his attitudes are, and assuming that he
is mentally normal, is it possible that, barring the normal amount of human
mistakes that we all make, he is doing the best he can?  And then if you
can answer that with a 'well, perhaps so' reply, you have opened the door
to the possibility that he and you are the same; that he is after all a Son
of God, even if a misguided one.  

Now this may not deal with how you feel about him in term of liking, you
may still dislike him.  But perhaps you can come to say to yourself that
you are willing to wish for him the best that can be his. YouI desire to do
good for him.  You would be willing to be an influence in his life if
that's how it's going to work to help him become a better person. If you
can say "I'm willing to be in that relationship with this other person",
then you are loving him, for you are desiring to do good to him.  You still
may not like him, but you have the willingness to do good for him, which is
love.  

People get stuck, and I think your question refers to this, at the level of
their feelings.  This is especially true towards somebody who has really
hurt you by betrayal, or by lying, or you know, some act of hurt.  How can
you love your enemies?  But, Jesus said  tolove your enemies, do good to
those who hate you, pray for those who persecute you, for the Father sends
rain upon the just and the unjust.  In your human nature, in your emotional
feelings, you may never arrive at a really warm feeling towards this
person.  But the more that you understand them, the more that you open your
mind to the possibly there are reasons for their obnoxious behavior, their
dislikable behavior that you don't know, but you wish them well, you wish
them spiritual growth, then in fact you are in fact loving them.  Does that
help you Bob?  (Oh,yes!)  It may sound like philosophical sifting of sand
but it really isn't. 

Bob S:  No
 I think your point is well taken.

Daniel:  Jesus regarded Herod at one point in His life as a fox, someone he
was not going to deal with.  But finally in the last moments of His
consciousness he blended his human mind with his divine mind and said,
"Father forgive them they don't know what they are doing".  And that may be
the best you can do which is divine in itself.  (Pretty good)  To say to
God about this other person, "Oh Father help me forgive him. I don't know
what he is doing, but I'm willing to believe that he is your son or
daughter, as it may be".  

Well my friends, Kathy and Chris, I welcome you both.  Your guardian
seraphim, standing behind you, know that the sense you have had of their
presence is real.  Know that love, which we've talked about, is the most
alive thing in the universe.  It flows through you.  It energizes you.  It
is your connection with your divine Parent.  

Let us all stand and conclude our meeting.

Klarixiska: This is Klarixiska.  Divine Parent, that made us so that we
might experience Your love and the love of our brothers and sisters and the
creativity that is your gift to us to share, not only in creating
ourselves, which is in a sense sharing that which we have the possibility
of becoming, we thank You.  We thank you that our minds, our hearts, and
our hands can create beauty, and be a part of your contribution to this
planet.  We would ask that as we, each one, the seen and the unseen, go
this week, we all might find ways to be an expression of your love through
service.  Amen.