[tmtranscripts] S.E. Idaho transcript

[Bill Kelly]

SE Idaho TeaM
April 29, 2003

Opening prayer by unknown being (Bill): Lift up your hearts on high to mix
with the supernaphim of Paradise as they worship the Central Shining
presence of God: Father, Son and Spirit.  You lowly mortal creatures of
animal origin have been given the highest divine gift there is, the very
presence of the Trinity within your lives, even with this far distance from
Paradise.  Tonight may the words that are spoken, but more importantly the
emotions that are shared, convey the reality of your status as son and
daughters of God, and the reality of your everlasting and loving, perfect
Parent and Creator.  Amen.

Daniel (Bob S): Greetings, friends, I am Daniel.  Welcome to tonight's
session.  I am not using our usual TR to give him a few moments to himself,
and using the #l substitute.  (Those are Bob's words, not mine.)  [Laughter
and comments.]  Friends, this is a wonderful time when we are able to be
together and converse one on one, where your elder brothers and sisters can
assist you in growing in wisdom and in truth.  It is our greatest pleasure
to be your teachers, for we, having been where you sit, understand almost
completely what you are going through, and we are so empathetic.  We can
clearly put ourselves in your shoes, and that creates many opportunities
for us which we take great delight in.  

I am not the main speaker tonight.  That position is being taken by
another, so with these words of welcome, I now hand the microphone to our
guest speaker.  One moment please.

Michael (Bob S): My children, this is your Father/Brother, Michael of
Nebadon.  My presence with you tonight is two fold.  I wish to commend you
on the growth you have demonstrated to your supervisors and guides, who
have, without exception, told me that you all are growing rapidly.  In fact
your speed of attainment has cause difficulties in the staff's planning of
lessons.

My other point is this.  My friends, you are becoming more loving.  I hope
you all can feel that quasi- emotion growing within yourselves, for it is
clear to us.  We, your elder brothers and sisters, particularly those who
have direct supervisory responsibilities, take great heart in seeing your
progress, and that is the reason for my words to you this evening.  It is a
graduation of sorts.  We feel you are prepared for the next phase of
teaching.  Some are calling it Phase III.  Those, however, are not my
characterizations, but let's use them for purposes of attempting to explain
where you now lie on your path to the Father.  Your teachers would take
great pride, if they were allowed such human emotion, but they have grown
beyond that. As Talacia has been explaining to you, trying to convey to the
immature human mind concepts which are difficult at best and completely
foreign for the most part, is most difficult.  So let's just call it
entering a new phase, and taking our word for it, you are graduating, and
will be entering this new phase of your spiritual development.  And it is
my great pleasure to be the one chosen to give you your diplomas this
evening.  

This concludes my remarks.  Questions regarding my words will be taken by
your regular teaching staff.  Ladies and gentlemen, I commend you.  Good
evening.

Daniel (Bob S): This is Daniel again. Friends, my congratulations and those
of the entire staff are with you this evening.  Now let's open the session
to questions or comments.  What have you to say for yourselves?  The floor
is open.

Bob D: When you speak about graduation, a thought that goes through my
minds is, gosh, I feel like I am going through a quagmire, going through
the muck, the mud, trying to survive each day.  So when you say it's a
graduation, my first thought was from what to what?  And then, of course,
you mentioned the new phase.  When you say that, of course, it peaks my
interest to knowing something about this new phase.  What change or focus
are we going into?  Any comments you can say about that would be greatly
appreciated.

Minearsia (Bob S): This is Minearsia.  Friends, brothers and sisters all, I
shall not go into any great details tonight about Phase III, but may at
another time give you more of an introduction to just where we plan to take
you next.

For tonight, it is my feeling that we should be in a more celebratory mood,
and focus on tonight, and congratulations on your recent past.  I hope,
Bob, that meets with your approval, and if there are no other questions, we
may perhaps later this evening get into Phase III.  For now, however, let's
focus on tonight's graduation, and remain with that topic for the time
being.  Bob, do you wish to pursue this, or does anyone else have questions
or comment regarding this graduation event?

Bob D: I guess I'll just have to wait and see what it is.  One of the
questions that I wanted to ask tonight really isn't on this topic.  So this
may not be a question that you want to get into, but I have been working on
this synthesis of Aaron's lessons that could be presented in book form.  I
was going to ask Aaron tonight if he had any insight as to how he feels
about the process, because I am not being strictly literal.  I am editing
out a lot of the conversational stuff, trying to edit out and make a
coherent synthesis of the core of what his message has been over the past
10 years.  I have finished the rough draft and edited it to the point where
I can read the lessons and see the topics.  I feel some sort of release
from having gotten that far.  I felt that Aaron was actually participating
on part of the process, but I wanted to get his view of how he feels about
the process.  Is this part of our graduation on a personal level, or is
this totally a separate sideline thing for me?

Minearsia (Bob S): Understood.  This is Minearsia again.  Aaron is here,
and will respond to your questions later.  We wish to delay that to again
focus on the celebration event, although your work with Aaron's words is
part of our evaluation of your spiritual progress, and is one of the
factors, perhaps the major one, regarding our assessment of your spiritual
development.  Aaron will respond to your questions later, if there is time,
and after we have fully discussed this graduation event.  I sense there are
other questions regarding our celebration this evening.  Are there others
who wish to state their concerns or questions?

Bill: This is Isaac.  I am taken back by the fact that we are in a
graduation ceremony that none of us knew was going to happen.  That doesn't
mean it's not real or it isn't the way it is.  It's just so unusual.  In
terms of progress on the planet we all know that graduation is the result
of completion of certain things, and it's time related and all of this.
Can you alleviate my confusion at this time?  Maybe things don't work this
way in the spiritual realm, but it comes as a major surprise to me.  I also
am in a mood similar to Bob.  I am taken back by the idea that we have
graduated.  I feel I am slogging it out in the mud too.  It seems that when
there's a race, there is a finish line.  I'm sorry if this sounds
skeptical, but it is the way I feel.  What can you tell me to readjust my
thinking?

Minearsia (Bob S): This is Minearsia.  Isaac, my son, consider this.  What
better time for a graduation than when one feels imbedded in the quagmire
of human life.  Graduation is not just a mark of progress, but as you know,
refers to one's status potential, if I can use that term.  The time when
one is ready for growth, when your senses are heightened, when your
motivation is best, is when you are knee-deep in the alligators, as they
say.  Would you not agree?  [Ed. This characterization refers to the
saying,"It's hard to remember you came to drain the swamp when you are
knee-deep in alligators".]

Bill: I just laughed, so I must have recognized some truth there.  Well, if
graduation means getting out of the pond where the alligators are swimming,
I'm ready for that, but that might mean I have to hang up the mortal life,
and I'm not sure I really want to do that, so


Minearsia (Bob S): Let me interject here, that this is not high school
graduation, or junior high, or even grade school, friends.  It is more like
first grade to second grade.  (That makes more sense.)  And from that
perspective you are wise enough to know that you have a long way to go, and
the standards by which your soul growth is judged are not clear to the
human mind.  This too you know.  Therefore, trust us.  We, your brothers
and sisters of experience, know the bench marks.  We know where you are.
Therefore our judgment is, you are ready for the next stage.  Take heart in
that.  Take a moment to be proud of yourself, but don't get carried away,
as you have been advised.  Ego is not to be in control of your lives, and
if you become too prideful, you know that is not wise.  So take our word
for it.  Your diplomas are on the wall.  Your progress is valid and clear.
It is time for celebration.  And then it is time to go to work again.  That
concludes my response.  Isaac, do you have further questions or does anyone
else have any comments?

Bill: Well, since you changed it from college graduation to from first
grade to second grade, that reset the whole concept in my mind.  Second
graders do not understand the tasks they have to accomplish.  Their
teachers do, but they don't understand the tests and procedures.  They're
just little kids.  They're just eager to get out of first grade and into
second.  (Comments.)  Having explained it that way, you've diffused my
shock at this announcement that you made, and I can accept that.  I
certainly have to agree with you that, in my own experience, I have a very
hard time understanding progress, and I think I know these other people
here well enough to know they're not egotistical, and resist the idea that
they are making progress.  So let's all be humble, and say thanks for the
report card that says we're ready to go on to `the next thing.  What are we
going to have next, not just alligators, (comments) but sea monsters, all
at once?  (Laughter.)

Minearsia (Bill): Oh, my friends, that's the beauty of not knowing what
tomorrow might bring, for you would just worry your hearts to excess if you
knew what tomorrow had in store.

Bob D: Well, that makes me worry.  (Laughter.)

Minearsia (Bob S): I am going to ignore that.  (Laughter.)  My friends,
look at your kindergarten and first grade experience, and look at how your
worries were almost completely wasted.  Consider how wise your angels were
in the problems that they set before you?   Was not your experience
helpful, strengthening, soul-enhancing, and joy building?  Really now,
friends, is that not the case?  What comments do you have to those words?

Virginia: Minearsia, what I see when I experience a graduation is very much
like when teachers have insisted that kindergarten children have black
gowns and caps to move into the first grade.  They did not wait for
significant growth, but just simply put the gown and the cap on them and
said, "You're in first grade."  I think it's demeaning in the sense that
the child really has no understanding of what the cap and the gown meant,
nor does the child have any experience of what it means to recognize
personal growth and attainment in an honest graduation from junior high,
high school, or college, so I'm taken back too.

Minearsia (Bob S): Virginia, would you say those children took considerable
delight in that experience, and, from their point of view, was it not
positive rather than negative?

Virginia: I cannot speak for them.  I can only speak for myself

Minearsia (Bob S): Now, Virginia, you are an expert with children of that
age.  Do you not have some idea of their reaction?

Virginia: My question would be, is it a false delight without real
understanding?

Minearsia (Bob S): Those children have so much faith in you, their
teachers, that they believe everything you say.  Is that not true?  

Virginia: I don't believe that it's true.  I have been challenged a lot by
very smart first graders.

Minearsia (Bob S): Yes, there are examples to the contrary, but by and
large would you not agree that children take great delight in your
approval, and when you say they have done well, they believe that?

Virginia: Yes, but it is much more important to me as a teacher to have
them evaluate themselves.

Minearsia (Bob S): But you are not the teacher here, Virginia.  You are the
student.  (I rest my case.)  And in some ways, all of you here really two
views of this.  There is the child-side of you, the spiritual side that you
know is growing, and there is the experience-side of you that, having been
in school for years and years, which gives you some degree of experience in
a point of view.  Of those two, which do you believe is the more valid?
Are you going to take your position as the student, and where you believe
you are, or are you going to put your faith in us, your elders, and accept
our definition of graduation, and prepare yourself to move on?  Friends,
what have you to say to that?

Bob D: Well, I'm always ready to move forward.

Minearsia (Bob S): Yes, and I am too, to a certain extent.  This is
Minersia again, playing devil's advocate here.  You clearly are in a dual
position here where you have some knowledge of where we are going, but it
is incomplete; it is immature; it is child-like compared to where you will
be a hundred years from now—a thousand years from now.  Your experience
with Talacia should open your eyes to this.  He said, did he not, that it
is impossible for him to explain to you what his experiences have been on
his road to finaliter status.  You are progressing well, but you, my
friends, have a very long way to go.

So let us accept tonight as a period of congratulations, and as a time of
reflection, and pride, but do not get carried away, for as Virginia knows,
second grade is going to be tough.  Any other questions that we can deal
with this evening?  (Pause.)

Very well, let me turn the time over to Aaron.  One moment please.

Aaron (Bill): I am Aaron.  Be of good cheer, friends.  Everything works out
for the best.  I know you, Bob, specifically wish to ask some question and
wish some guidance from me, so proceed, please.

Bob D: My first question is on the record so I won't repeat it.  My concern
is basically this manuscript that I have been working on.  I've been trying
to take many years of lessons and find the meat, the core of what you have
tried to tell, and bring that into focus, and now I'd like to bring you
into the process of editing, wording of some things, and I wanted your
input on how I am doing.  Am I keeping true to the spirit of what you were
saying to the various groups you were talking to?  Have I been true to
allowing you to guide that process, not control it myself?  

Aaron (Bill): You have been a faithful friend, and hard working brother.
Your insight into the meat, as you say, of the lessons has been profound.
I, myself, have no hesitations or second thoughts about your efforts.  The
process of TRing, through which the material came to be, is necessarily
fraught with efforts that are required by the thought transfer and the
translation into English.  Therefore, your editorship has actually refined
the quality and the kernels of truth, you see, and, rather than think that
you may have cut carelessly at the meat and sliced it to the bone and
included the gristle, you have been very careful in your butchering,
(laughter and thanks) if you follow my reasoning.  So that is my answer, my
friend.  I am pleased.

Bob D: Thank you.  I felt I had a recognition while you were talking, a
profundity, if that's a word, because, as I was reading back, putting the
titles, what the transmissions were about, I suddenly came across what I
felt, for myself, was a level of profundity, the simpleness of how you
work, slowly to become more complex, rather than trying to go over our
heads at the beginning.  It seemed there were some profound, simple truths,
and then, as we developed this truth, there were deeper and deeper lessons.
 It seemed quite interesting to me that they seemed to go on in stages of
lessons.  So I guess I had a joy moment when you said that word, profound,
and that is exactly what I felt as I was  reading through them, so


Aaron, (Bill): Excellent, for indeed, you have observed in action the
intended lesson procedure.  The basic ideas were first presented in very
simple forms, and then elaborated as time when on, because experience makes
for new levels of understanding, you see.  So, my last word to you here is
have no unnecessary hesitation about your project, my friend.  It is a
worthy one, indeed.

Bob D: Can I ask one more question? (Certainly.)  The one question I have
is that in the Spokane Group especially, there was such a combined process
of TRing among several TRs.    You came through pretty much everybody, so
there are multiple TRs involved.  And there were multiple teachers involved
that seemed to work on a growth emphasis.  I am planning to put in an
introduction where I will basically state that you were the presiding
person for the group, instead of naming each and every teacher as they gave
us a lesson.   I feel it is important for the reader to get the focus on
what the lesson is, rather than all these different names.  So I am
planning on calling it the Aaron Group of Teachers as a spiritual staff,
rather than name each particular teacher.  Is that acceptable to do?

Aaron (Bill): (teasing)  No, our egos are so large that we require all of
us getting full credit! (Everyone laughs.)   Of course, we don't need to
have personal recognition.  

Give some thought to the title of this document.  (Yes, I have several in
mind.)  Yes, that is important in marketability; and yes, I fully agree
with your general direction.  An introduction is also essential so that
those who are curious as to how this could happen will have some
satisfaction for their curiosity.  There are some who don't care who the
source is, and simply read the material for itself; but there are a few,
like Isaac, who would appreciate knowing how this came about.

Bob D: Yes, I've got it.  Thank you very much.

Aaron (Bill): My friends, our time is somewhat hampered by the limitations
of the tape, but also by your schedules, so we will conclude at this point,
unless there is someone who must ask one more question.  (Pause.)

Very well, let us unite our hands and our hearts.  Klarixiska will lead us
in prayer.

Klarixiska (Bill): O divine Father of mercies, Mother of blessings, dearest
Friend, greatest Companion: we worship You with our willingness to share
our lives and to be intimate with You, for we know You are our highest
goal, that we want to be like You.  And so we share with You that you may
teach us.  Sustain these, my friends, in the ups and downs of life.  May
their stance on their surfboards not slip.  May their eyes behold the waves
without fear.  And may their intentions to ride the "big one" all the way
to Paradise be successful.  Amen.