[tmtranscripts] LightLine 9-16-04 - Freedom and self determination

[Kelly O'Hara]

LightLine Teleconference September 16, 2004

Teacher: Anatolia

Transmitter: Willie Verhoff

Subject: Freedom and self determination

ANATOLIA: Anatolia is here. Welcome friends from all walks of life and 
from all over this great land that is both blessed in many ways, both 
materially and physically, as well as spiritually. For this land that 
you call the United States of America, which is your homeland and that 
for which you give great belief and credence in terms of the principles 
for which it was established are wonderful recipients of the heritage 
that has been given to you for the purpose of living the experiment of 
freedom, and to uphold all of the principles that have been given to you 
from your most important source, that of your spiritual hierarchy that 
has presented the precepts by which your land has been functioning now 
for over 200 years. This is a principle of freedom that needs to be 
protected and to be guarded if future generations are to receive this 
gift as well and to be able to accept the responsibility that goes with 
it as well.

I wish to just reassure you that this is something that may have been 
taken for granted, and that you have the opportunity to seize and to 
respect that which has been granted to you as a receptive and 
experimental people in this day and age on your planet. Now this is also 
the force that has made this possible within your nation and this 
hemisphere of the earth is something that was not simply intended to be 
appreciated and enjoyed by an elite group of individuals, but was 
developed for exportation, so that others throughout the world may learn 
the principle and to be able to develop such tendencies as self 
government may employ.

The key, nevertheless, to engaging in a free society requires the 
education and determination, as well as desire for those present to 
participate in fully. It is perhaps an understatement to say that 
freedom and its subsequent responsibilities can be ably appreciated and 
administered by and in mature society that is not ready for these 
principles to be implemented. I am simply referring to both the 
practical example of what your world and society is currently 
experiencing in terms of Iraq and the difficulties that are being 
encountered there, and the expectation that a people will be able to 
simply take up where 200 years of your history has preceded and to fill 
in the gaps in an instant type of movement. This is not to say that the 
experience of freedom and self government cannot or will not be 
possible. It is simply that if you look at your experience, it would not 
follow that it would need a 200 year precedent to be effective. It is 
simply that the desire and determination that a war preceded its 
implementation was such that it required that amount of dedication and 
sacrifice to establish.

What I am talking about is that the quest and zest for self government 
and self determination is actually a higher developed principle which 
does not grow out of nothingness into fruition. For what you are 
realizing as a society and appreciate in terms of what your society has 
produced is the result of fairly highly developed principles which many 
have had to do the ground work for making real and possible for your 
experiences some hundreds of years hence. I again state that this is the 
underlying premise for which I am speaking today, and that your need to 
be an active and spiritual participant and defender of freedom as you 
know it, and as it can be more fully developed in your society and 
elsewhere that this needs to be more actively practiced and made known 
in society, because it is otherwise being misinterpreted and 
misunderstood as the founding fathers had intended.

What I am saying is that my lesson tonight is intending for you to 
respect and appreciate the great gift that you have for self government 
and self determination, and that while the election season that you find 
yourselves in are pointing to excesses in one camp or another, I wish to 
illustrate or re-illustrate some of the principles that you learned 
while going to school in terms of what makes this country the great 
place that it is. And it is primarily self government and self 
determination and self rule by and for the majority that so determine 
what is considered to be of and for and by the people. Now I realize 
that this may sound like a political ad. It is not intended in any such 
way, other than to reinforce as a principle that seldom gets illustrated 
in today’s climate. The principles that established this country need to 
be re-examined and re-highlighted and brought to the table for 
discussion, putting all of the other discussion or debate items aside, 
because these have become slightly skewed over and above or beyond what 
the principles that created or supports the current debate is all about.

So this is what I am wishing to present tonight as a lesson for your 
consideration, as the reasons why this country is great, and that the 
freedom you enjoy is also a freedom, regardless of the method of 
government. Self determination and freedom is what the Creator intended 
from its earliest development of people to govern themselves, rather 
than be governed, or to be responsible stewards of their own lives, as 
well as stewards of each other’s lives. This is my basic message to you 
tonight, to suggest that you go to whatever source you know of, or look 
on the internet for other sources that you may wish to seek out, to 
reinforce the lessons of self government, and to re-educate yourselves 
as to why these are important, and perhaps to reread the Bill of Rights 
and the Amendments to the Constitution as reiterations of why a focus 
for world freedoms may be a good focus to reenact at this time in your 
history. For it does have great importance in terms of the individual 
spiritual reality of each individual, and how individuals interact. For 
as surely as one person is denied their inalienable rights within 
creation, all are denied rights within creation. So long as one 
individual, one soul is denied freedom, growth and development does not 
exist for everyone, because at least one is denied it. Whether one 
accepts it, and/or rejects the opportunity presented, is another story. 
But if it is not presented or made available, then humanity is not 
reached to the level of development that it is capable of reaching if it 
is denied other brothers and sisters throughout one’s own country, or 
throughout any other part of the world. We can see then that the world 
has a way to go in terms of self determination and freedom within his or 
her own life, and the responsibility that such freedom requires.

I invite you to give some thought in terms of how this great experiment 
may be reinforced and continued in your world, for it is surely a part 
of your reason for being on the earth at this time, as it has ever been 
within the past 200 plus years or prior, through all of the struggles 
that humanity has undertaken or experienced. This time is as important, 
or more important perhaps, than any other because it means the 
continuation and expansion of this great experiment.

Now, moving to another topic for your continued growth and realization 
is to illustrate within your own lives that which you find through self 
examination, what you find to be non-freeing, or non-liberating 
practices within your own life. I mean, what do you practice or not 
practice on a daily basis that allows or disallows you from being a 
fully functioning, capable, loving individual, respecting those rights 
and responsibilities and boundaries that you have within your own life 
that respects the similar abilities or boundaries within another 
individual. So I wish for you to take a look at, and perhaps even make a 
list of, what within your own life allows you to live your life as fully 
and freely, unencumbered by guilt and stress, pressure and limitations 
that you may place upon yourself. What are you doing within your life 
that enhances these qualities and opportunities for self health, self 
help, growth and development, and at the same time encourages others to 
do the same thing, knowing yet the boundaries for possibly interfering 
in another’s life as the distinction between total freedom and absolute 
responsibility?

So as this makes a figure 8 in terms of total freedom as one circle, and 
total responsibility as another circle. How these two concepts interact 
make a waist that is a meeting point of the two circles, and how those 
interact. It is conceivable then that one’s own concept of self 
government and freedom could be a very large circle, and the point of 
responsibility could be a very small circle, therefore making a very 
distorted figure 8. The reverse is true as well. So I ask you to take a 
look at in this concept of freedom and responsibility, how your concept 
of your life and its implementation and effectiveness is in terms a 
visual aid of the figure 8 for example.

All of these things enter in, and I am addressing this as your rights 
and responsibilities for personal freedom. But it also changes according 
to one’s responsibilities for or with a family, a spouse, a partner, 
whatever one’s expression is in life. It may not be as simple as 
limiting yourself to just yourself, but the other people involved in 
your life, and how you address the freedom and responsibility in your 
life in relation to the others that are a part of your life. If you are 
a single individual, and need to look at these concepts solely based 
upon yourself, your larger world or larger family certainly comes into 
play in terms of how you are respecting or not respecting the rights of 
those around you who may or may not be family members.

This is all a concept which I bring to you tonight as a different way of 
looking at your life and the current circumstances involving a political 
process which is becoming more intense by the day. So I wish to bring 
another perspective, that is a spiritual perspective, that will aid you 
in looking at the bigger picture, the principle picture that is based 
upon everything that you are hearing on a daily and constant basis. I am 
willing to entertain and address questions for any who may have them as 
of now.

MANU: Anatolia, given your excellent lesson I have a two part question 
for you. The way this country was established, there were also certain 
philosophies that really helped create a lot of wealth and prosperity in 
this part of the world. Obviously when other countries look to this 
county to maybe adopt self determination, they look at that aspect as 
well. So how can that be supported in the sense that more and more 
countries look at the United States for ideas of freedom, how can they 
also support getting wealthy and prosperous without spoiling the balance 
of ecology and the environment across the world? That is my first 
question, and the second question has to do with how do we address all 
kinds of small nations and parts of other nations for the express 
purpose of self determination? I guess spoil the figure 8 and then claim 
more benefits for themselves in trying to free themselves from another 
part of the nation that they may be part of or claim to ask for ask for 
independence, for the lack of a better term.

ANATOLIA: First of all, the question that you asked concerning how can 
the wealth of other nations be developed in respect to the natural 
resources that are part of a nation’s basis of wealth, and how that can 
relate to others, I simply wish to address that in terms of a principle 
that the right to private ownership is something that can and should be 
encouraged. However, there are needs to address natural resources as the 
age old basis of real wealth in terms of the extraction, development and 
production from raw material to finish product and the ownership and 
distribution of such wealth, and how it is to be managed, is something 
that should be developed from a commonwealth perspective. That is, while 
the development and change of raw materials into a finished product may 
be in private ownership hands, it is a key concept that all beings 
participating in the production of such material that produces wealth 
based on natural resources needs to include a role for everyone taking 
part in that process. So more so it appears in recent years it appears 
it has not been a prevalent principle that has been active of the 
concept of commonwealth, and consequently each individual’s role as a 
participant in that process needs to be respected and valued as a 
result, what the price or share of participation is in the production of 
wealth, so that everyone has a stake and a responsibility and a 
concomitant share in the proceeds produced. That may be an academic or a 
book description, but nevertheless I think you may see the kernels what 
you are asking in that answer.

Secondly, I believe the second part of the question may have had more to 
do with political stakes, that is a fair distribution of power or rights 
and responsibilities, as may be addressed by everybody in what their 
expectations may be for benefiting. Again, it would appear to be based 
on the concept of commonwealth in terms of what one’s stake is and 
responsibilities and rights areas a participant in a society that 
produces wealth based upon natural resources, which are God given, and 
not any one individual’s by right, inheritance or purchase. But need is 
a concept in terms of a natural resource, which needs to be developed 
and produced for the benefit of all who participate, including shares of 
distribution based upon their traditional economic principles of risk, 
ownership and other such factors that larger shares to be distributed as 
a result of wealth produced would be proportionate to one’s investment. 
The principle I am getting to is that under such formulas for the 
development of wealth, the important point is that no one participating 
in the process should be devalued or left out as a benefactor in the 
production. Therefore, all participating actors have and receive a 
benefit for participation in both the economic and political process. 
Does this answer your question at all?

MANU: Yes, thank you so much. I appreciate your comments.

SIMON: Your visualization of the figure 8 reminds me of the infinity, 
and also the possibilities of contributing to the share of society. I am 
just grateful for Father’s loving kindness for connecting with us this 
way, and look forward to greater possibilities of working to contribute 
to greater societal growth. Is it not something along the lines of my 
experience is different because of how I am working to contribute to 
that particular thing in relation to all of the people contributing to 
whole of the negative part of it. Do you know what I am saying?

ANATOLIA: No.

SIMON: How much is it that I create the center by my consciousness of 
it, as far as making a difference in bringing possibilities to exist? I 
feel like I am contributing somewhat to it, to the betterment of the 
government.

ANATOLIA: Lets say for example that in the personal examination of the 
figure 8, which is what I had suggested that you do, because you in all 
best intentions personally cannot address the expansion, shape or 
retraction of the figure 8 for anybody else, obviously. But in your own 
case, how you can affect that is more a result of examining what you 
believe your life exemplifies in honesty, and then seeing as if it is a 
thermometer with above or below the zero Fahrenheit level in terms of 
plus or minus activity of expansion or reduction of one side of the 
equation or other. In other words, in terms of your freedom and rights 
side of the equation, if for example in all honesty you would see that 
your life as it is being expressed, not according to how you would like 
to interpret it, but how you can best evaluate how your life is being 
led. If you would see that it looks like a spider and has a very large 
thorax, and very small head in terms of responsibility, then it needs to 
be adjusted, and that is where you can then get a picture of how that 
can best be adjusted as a result of your determination of what type of a 
resulting figure you can see developing from how you are interpreting 
your life being led. Is that an accurate description or answer for what 
you are asking?

SIMON: Yes. Sometimes I think just giving up all this to Father and 
doing as much as I can do to love and work and serve and do what I can 
in my own community. A lot of this seems somewhat far off as far as 
changing the political situation, the presidential election. I have 
definite ideas and definite opinions about it. I feel like I know how I 
am going to vote for it, but as far as contributing to the process, I 
feel like I want to contribute to it, to assist in it in some way, like 
mentally. What can we do to make a change?

ANATOLIA: Correct. The main message I want to bring to the group tonight 
is because there is a lot of fervor and tumult during the current 
political debate, I just want to illustrate for people’s examination 
what are the underlying principles that this battle is all about, and 
what is it that each individual from a spiritual point of view is living 
every day, but perhaps not giving much thought to because it becomes 
taken for granted and assumed that because of freedom everyone is living 
their lives as freely as they wish or care to. But perhaps not paying 
attention to the principles behind it, and what are the larger 
principles that we need to be living by within the format of a free 
society and as free as possible from ideology to take a look at that and 
become more aware of the principles that are there, to be able to if 
nothing else rededicate one’s self to those principles, and to see how 
they can amend and refine their life and its goals as a result. That was 
the concept for tonight, not in any way necessarily to say that any one 
individual may be askew from living life properly. It is simply an 
invitation to rededicate one’s self to the principles, and then to 
examine how they may be lived, both individually and collectively. Does 
that help any?

SIMON: Yes, it helps tremendously. Thanks so much, Anatolia. It feels 
real good, real concrete, bringing me back to a good square.

ANATOLIA: Friends of the earth, who are committed to being true to 
themselves, and to one another, and to the planet in which our creator 
has bestowed, I ask that our spirits, one together and collectively, 
look at ourselves in light of the God force that we represent, and 
reflect upon the light that we share, and make mental contact as far as 
we can to our nearest neighbor, asking that they in their subconscious 
make contact with their nearest neighbor, and as such contacts are made 
to re-enliven the sense of sacred within us, and within the planets in 
which we live. For life needs to be respected, and needs to be protected 
so that those souls wishing and needing to develop will have the needs 
met through the experience of life in such a world as is enjoyed 
historically and currently on earth, and on other planets of such 
experience. We ask this through our Lord and Director, Christ Michael, 
as the perfect teacher of love and uniter of will, we ask this now and 
for all time.

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