[tmtranscripts] FW: MONJORONSON.COM Q/A SESSION #14 2008-O8-06

[Tom Newbill]

SUBJECT: MONJORONSON.COM  Q/A  SESSION #14  2008-08-06

TEACHER: MONJORONSON

T/R: HENRY ZERINGUE

MODERATOR: MARY ROGERS

Prayer: Greetings Michael and Nebadonia and good evening, we come to you to
be filled with the grand universe this evening. We come here to be
in-circuited in this spiritual workshop in which we ask questions and
retrieve answers. We come this evening empty, ready to be filled with your
tremendous love. Fill us all with this love and in-circuit us as we settle
into your divine presence. This evening we ask the celestial personalities
present to join us in this Monjoronson discussion. Please feel free to come
in at any time.

Monjoronson: [Henry] Good evening, it is I Monjoronson. Thank you for the
comfortable space that I sit into this group to receive questions from
mortal concerns seeking divine guidance and wisdom. I connect this group
into my circuit, my sense of presence and I ask that all receive a greater
awareness this evening. I thank you and when we are ready we can begin.

[Mary] Greetings to you Monjoronson, thank you for being here. May Michael
and Nebadonia's blessings be upon us all. I'm going to read through this
first set of questions and then I will go back to the first one. This is
from the group of Spanish speaking attendees to the web site. First of all,
this person would like to give thanks to all of the t/r's that help every
week to clear our concerns. Thanks for your efforts and your loving service.
Monjoronson, before formulating the questions, I would like to thank your
support to the participants in Spanish and it is a pleasure for me to
translate your answers. Because of this service I am learning to know you,
to love you and to feel nearby to you. I attach some questions from our
sisters and brothers in Bolivia.

Questions: [Mary]  I will read through these other questions and come back
to the first one.  
1: How are we born under spirit?
2: How can we tell the difference between our own will and The Father's
will? 
3: How can we tell the difference between channeling or t/r'ing and the
product of our own subconscious?
4: How do we recognize who the teacher is when transmitting or is the
teachers name unimportant?
5: Do you adjust your mind to the mind of the t/r?
6: Is 888 a midwayer prompt you can explain?

Q #1: [Mary] How are we born of the spirit?

Monjoronson: [Henry] Good evening, this is Monjoronson. Thank you for your
concerns this evening. This person asks how are we born of the spirit? The
spirit indwells within the human consciousness. When this human
consciousness begins to indwell spirit consciousness is the human truly born
of the spirit? As is all life on Urantia, so is spirit seeking to be
acknowledged. By simply acknowledging the spirit presence within, one is
born of the spirit. As a humans' intention begins to coincide with the
intentions of spirit, that human is also born of the spirit. As a human
being begins to understand a better way of living with his or her brothers
and sisters, is that person truly born of the spirit.

As a person begins to distinguish its will as something separate from The
Father's will, is that person also truly born of the spirit. The term born
of the spirit is a term in which it is intended to convey that man has truly
allowed spirit to intervene in the possibilities of that human expressing
love, compassion for those outside of his immediate influence. By simply
allowing your consciousness to express in faith and in hope the desire to
truly become one with spirit is one born of the spirit. This phenomenon may
take place at any time, at any moment under any condition and in any
situation. Thank you.

Q #2: How can we tell the difference between our own will and The Father's
will?

Monjoronson: This is Monjoronson. At first a person begins to comprehend its
own will. There is no other will that impinges upon a persons will as first,
when that person begins to discern its own will. In understanding The
Father's will, one begins to understand and become aware of the tremendous
pull which The Father extends to us as humans, that force which gradually
draws us inward. The ramification of this force pulling one inward along
with everyone else, begins to reveal the interconnectedness between people.

The Father's will is nothing more than acknowledging The Father and loving
everyone else as a brother and sister with all of the accoutrements
attendant upon loving towards ones fellows. If one is not able to
distinguish between ones will and The Father's will, it is quite possible
those two wills are one. When one will begins to discern a greater will, the
lesser will surrenders subserviently to this greater will which begins to
engender the human with a greater sense of purpose.

The Father's will in general is distinguished from mans will in that it is
not ego driven or self driven. It has a consciousness of all being one, of
everything in harmony, the discord rendered to melody, the twisted and
crooked paths into a straighter way, a more direct way. This is not to put
any judgement on either will. The Father completely accepts mans will
knowing full well that in time man may gradually surrender his will to
accept a greater will in which he is continually being bombarded with. Thank
you for your question.

Q #3: [Mary] On a related note, how can we distinguish channeling from the
product of our own subconscious?

Monjoronson: As one asks this question as a human one needs to prepare to
move into a higher consciousness, a superconsciousness of the mind, a place
where the mind comes to an end yet the continuing train of thought is
encountered by the human mind. It definitely seems as if the human
consciousness has many aspects that play upon it, the subconsciousness is
healthy and at work in a persons dreamtime, quite possibly in the indirect
motivations of that individual.

The interesting thing about the subconscious is that the subconscious is an
aspect of the mind which is below the consciousness level and certain
automatic brain functions utilize this subconscious mind mechanism to
interplay backstage in the human mind. In this respect it is also possible
for spirit to interject in this area when the conscious mind is disconnected
such as in sleep and the subconscious mind is taking over. But in general
spirit approaches the mind from above, from the point of view of
superconsciousness.

Part of what this question is asking is that as the spirit personality
begins to unfold the plans, the answers are the lesson to the mind. The
human consciousness receiving and perceiving spirit presence and spirit
thought many times is filtered within the human consciousness by a resource
of information in the memory bank of that particular t/r and also by the
subconscious recollection of that t/r. One must understand, where spirit is
concerned, all mechanisms are at work not just one particular aspect of the
human consciousness even though such as this t/r draws from a superconscious
aspect of his mind to touch upon the intention and presence of spirit.

Some t/rs' have a greater access to spirit presence and to be able to
discern in an intuitive way what spirit is relaying. In this particular t/r
this evening, as I speak through the t/r, certain parts of this t/r's
consciousness are highlighted and alerts the t/r that my message lies here.
Anyway it is personal to the t/r and all t/r's are different. What is
important is that the t/r exercises faith and trust In this sacred
connection, in this trusted en-circuitment. Then again it is up to the
person reading what the t/r has brought in and that person discerns for
itself what in the information contained can that person use, can that
person be inspired by, can that person be motivated with, what that person
can be concerned with and aware of within its own mind. Thank you for your
question.

Q #4: [Mary] If a person is t/r'ing,Is it important that they get the
teachers name or not?

Monjoronson: In general the name of the celestial personality or messenger
certainly is not as important as the message. Teachers evolve with groups
who focus and concentrate their energies to a teachers presence and the
teacher will generally reveal a name within the mind of one within the
group. A name can be something that is familiar to the person or the group,
it can be something that is non familiar. Again, it is not that important
what something is called, what a person is called. The words being spoken
are what is important. I hope that this helps.

Q #5: Do you adjust your mind to the mind of the t/r?

Monjoronson: No, the t/r adjusts its mind to my mind and presence, thank
you.

Q #6: Is 888 a midwayer prompt that you could explain?

Monjoronson: No

[Mary] The person who asked this series of questions for that group say
thank you very much Monjoronson and she sends you a big kiss so I thought
I'd pass that on.

Monjoronson: Thank you very much also for your questions this evening and in
the efforts that you will take in discerning your will and The Father's will
begin to touch upon the reality of spirit and as you clear your mind be open
to receive what comes in. Thank you this evening.

[Mary] This next section here is something posted on their website through
the administrator. The administrator tried to contact the questioner to try
and get permission to reword some of the questions for easier understanding
in English but did not hear back so we will just do the best we can as we
always do. These questions are for our Magisterial Son and are as follows:

Q #7: Is there some person on Urantia who can heal severe diseases? Mankind
is not convinced there is such a healing ability, so will there be someone
who can heal severe diseases that we can come to for help?

Monjoronson: Quite possibly there is a person on Urantia that can heal
severe diseases but in general it is up to the human to heal their own
diseases, to find within themselves the understanding awareness, the
consciousness and the faith that it takes to clear the mind, to clear the
body and begin to heal themselves. There are individuals on Urantia which
help in the facilitation of diseases. They facilitate the individual in the
individual's own healing. In the case of a faith healing, it is the mind of
the inflicted who must come to its own awareness of healing, to be healed.
Even Jesus was able to heal because of the great faith of the person
receiving the healing. Thank you for your question.


Q #8: The second question this person asks seems to me to be related to the
first question about the healing of severe diseases: Why doesn't Urantia
receive the Creator's spiritual attention that was given to Urantia when
Jesus was here? Today Urantia is changed from the days when Jesus came and
does that make any difference about what our world now receives?

Monjoronson: It sounds like this person is answering his own question.
Urantia receives the same attention it received always that it receives now
from the Creator Son Michael. Michael's attention to Urantia became more
personal when he bestowed Himself in the likeness of flesh and lived amongst
you, this is certainly true but Michael's caring for your planet has not
stopped. Michael's concern and love is outpoured continuously on your world.
The Spirit of Truth seeks to connect people with each other to engender a
greater sense of brotherhood.

The spirit indwelled mortals of Urantia are constantly being uplifted by
internal thought forms motivated through the adjusters consciousness. I am
not sure of this persons concern. Spirit is not responsible to do mans work,
it is man that's responsible to do his own work albeit with and through the
help of spirit, in conjunction with spirit. Your world is truly loved. How
many of you actually feel this love? How many of you can put your hand on
this love? How many of you are willing to give a face and a hand to this
love? How many are willing to become bearers and givers of this love?

It is not so much that Michael's spiritual energy has waned in any aspect,
it is that the overburdening population of Urantia has not come forth to
truly believe in the love that Michael as Jesus living on Urantia showed to
you as was possible in a spiritual sense; to love your brothers and sisters
as you love yourself and to honor them as you honor The Father and respect
them as you respect The Father. Spirit is not concerned with time. It must
be understood, Urantia relates to its own sense of being in space and time
and true, spirit does act in space and time but spirit is more concerned
with human will and consciousness than it is with time.

As a matter of fact, humankind, except for the numbers of the densely
populated mortals that now exist, humankind has not changed tremendously
since the days when Michael walked upon your world. Mankind still has not
accomplished what Michael intended to teach. It has been much easier for the
churches to have a religion about Jesus rather than to accept the
responsibility of Jesus' religion, but then again mankind is where mankind
is. 

Mankind cannot move faster than mankind can move and in time man will begin
to exhibit an awareness of spirit, an acknowledgement of spirit. Human
nature is on the brink of demonstrating this, it is on the verge, it will
not take very much. Everyone on Urantia is following most everyone else.
It's only a matter of time until everyone begins to follow the right people
and in the analysis of statistics, this will happen on your world. Again, it
is not that you are forgotten or neglected.

Michael didn't  interfere with affairs of men while He was on the planet,
neither is Michael interfering in the affairs of men today, yet Michael's
spirit and Michael's message is the same, it will always be the same. Spirit
is not worried that love and compassion for ones fellows is not in the
uppermost of all persons minds on Urantia. Again spirit knows that in time,
mankind will come around, man will begin listening, man will truly desire
then hunger for righteousness, for love and compassion, for a simple answer
to the myriad and complexity of the human mazes on Urantia.

Q #9: The third question asks your opinion Monjoronson about our existing
churches. They state that their opinion is that the existing churches focus
more on the blessings of life now rather than teaching about our destiny or
the things we can do today to spiritualize ourselves.

Monjoronson: In answer to your last concern about the churches, the churches
are where they are at. This is where the human consciousness has arrived in
terms of worship, in terms of caring, in terms of bringing a somewhat
spiritual consciousness into being. There are many unsung works which the
church performs throughout the world. Many of the churches truly are of
service to the downhearted, to the poor of spirit. Many churches help adjust
the tensions of justice on your world, the tensions of appeasement. The
vast majority of humans on the planet are truly spiritually rich, yet are
you aware of it, yet.

It is intended that the divine monitor within eventually brings men to a
greater sense of consciousness. It is this greater sense of awareness and
consciousness which will transform the churches from within. Transformed
individuals will lead to transformed groups, transformed groups will lead
into transformed organizations, transformed organizations will lead into a
transformed society and when society begins to act out of respect for all
life equally, truly great things will happen on your world.

It is inevitable that humankind should tread this path. It is the one path
that has not been treaded on your world, the path of peace, the path in
which love finds a way to help everyone on the planet to truly become
recognized, to become empowered, to live as a true son or daughter of God.
Let us pray for that day when the world truly becomes born of the spirit,
not just individuals, not just individuals giving lip service to some
acceptable phrase or that mankind truly becomes motivated with the
responsibility that drives the desire to grow in spirit and grow as a
family, who respects God as their Father. Thank you.

Q #10: [Mary] We have one final question Monjoronson. Are the 144,000 here
now? Do at least some of them suspect that they might be part of this group
in part based on the identifying mark mentioned in revelations 7 and 14 or
are the 144,000 here now?

Monjoronson: Thank you for your question and your inquiry. At this time this
information is not important that I answer this and I thank you for your
concerns.

[Mary] Thank you for working with us tonight Monjoronson, we enjoy your
company.

Monjoronson: Thank you, thank the team that works to put this together and I
thank the general public at large to study our efforts on a weekly basis and
to continue to be inspired ways in which humans can be of service to each
other, good evening.


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