[tmtranscripts] FW: Monjoronson.com Session #22 2008-10-01

[Tom Newbill]

Subject: Monjoronson.com  Session #22   2008-10-01

Teacher: Monjoronson

T/R: Jonathan

Moderator: Mary Rogers, Mark Rogers

Monjoronson: This is Monjoronson, the alignment is complete, I await your
questions.

Q#1: [Mary] Thank you for being here this evening Monjoronson. There is a
questioner who would like to ask a couple of things about the Lucifer
rebellion.  Why, upon the default of our Adam and Eve were they removed from
the planet but not replaced by a different Adamic pair? Also, why was our
planetary prince not replaced or suspended from his duties?

Monjoronson: Thank you for your inquiry, I will begin by noting that your
world, long before even the arrival of will creatures, the design for
Urantia was that it was to be a life experiment world and while this greatly
influenced what the life carriers could do to modify life on an evolutionary
world it also had repercussions in the governing bodies of celestial
administrators. So when the mandate given to your planetary prince and the
mandate also given to the material son and daughter, your Adam and Eve, were
violated, they were removed because of the need for disciplinary action, a
betrayal of trust.

You ask why they were not replaced? It is due to this experimental status of
Urantia and the contingency created by the Lucifer rebellion. Primarily,
authority of Michael was in question and it was determined that this planet
could signal to the rest of the system as well as to all within Nebadon that
the will of God is supreme and that righteousness does prevail given time.
Therefore Urantia was allowed to chart its course without an administration.
Now this did create much debate in the higher courts for many did wish to
intervene and rescue this planet but that would have proven to support of
Lucifers claims.

So it was determined to let the human beings dwelling on this world
demonstrate the triumphs of goodness. It was not an easy road, this course
chosen, but it will prove over time to be superb in its demonstration. Had
this been a planet of regular status it very well may have been that the
world would have had replacement administrations. You will recall in your
text that the life carriers adjusted the life plasm to the point that free
will appeared much sooner than on previous worlds and this element of free
will was a key factor in the decision to allow rectification by way of human
evolutionary enlightenment.

While these administrative centers are of great benefit to every world upon
which they establish themselves, it is by no means the only avenue by which
the souls and consciousness of human beings can come to the realization of
God and also to develop worthwhile and noble civilizations. These
administrations are accelerators and enhancers, they assist but the course
of growth of the world would continue regardless of their presence for it
must be remembered that the God of all indwells each creature and there is
the true source of reality guidance and spiritual unfoldment. Thank you for
asking.

Q #2: [Mary] One more question about the Lucifer rebellion. They state the
main reason as to why numerous celestial beings have followed Lucifer into
rebellion is articulated as; "he was simply to brilliant to be doubted",
however I find it highly unlikely that there were no, even more brilliant
beings that spoke against what Lucifer had presented. Also I find the idea
that "ancient", in human terms, beings would ditch the beliefs that they
supposedly held from the beginning and go the way of Lucifer simply because
he said so. I find that quite unlikely. To sum up, all the explanations of
rebellion seem too simplistic and do not add up when deeper analysis is
attempted. Why is this so?

Monjoronson: You have addressed the intelligence and the great ability of
Lucifer as a communicator and have suggested that other beings were also
domiciled in Satania who could counter his philosophy, and there were and
there were great debates. But there is another element additional to Lucifer
and that was his status as system ruler. He, for all intents and purposes
was the divine representative and this carried great weight in all other
creatures who were uncertain as to what was being taught and which choice to
make in regard to the philosophy promulgated.

Lucifer is a high son of God, a Lanonandek  and even Gabriel, the first born
in Nebadon, found it greatly challenging to confront Lucifer's ideology and
represent Michael's ideology. Outward from Paradise, every realm descending
from Havona down to an individual planet in time and space, encounters
greater degree of leeway. Even the Constellation Fathers are limited in
their freedom of expression. Michael comes with perhaps the greatest freedom
at the farthest from Paradise for He can originate creatures and design a
local universe of His choosing.

But the Constellation Fathers are the ones who carry out that work for
Michael, but the Lanonandek sons in the systems, they are on the front lines
of evolutionary growth and so it is allowed that these sons experiment in
order that the Supreme extend itself into all realms of potential
actualization. It is a precarious position for, this experimental edge in
order to be truly free of constraint, contain within it the potential for
disastrous outworking. Not all is understood in the unfoldment of the
Supreme and the evolutionary growth that all creatures of time and space
undergo.

It may perhaps be the will of the Father that Supreme experience incorporate
such activities as a rebellion. I will also offer one other observation;
across the grand universe, such system rebellions are miniscule. They may
be, if I should be so earthly in my statements, petty crimes. The grand
universe is huge and very much that transpires is for the good, for light,
for love. Occasionally there are these outbreaks, expressions of free will
contrary to the Father's will.

I will conclude by stating also that no Lanonandek son has a trinity
representative at their headquarters as do the higher administrators from
the constellation upwards. This is not a fault, this is by design that the
Lanonandeks be free of such guidance. The over control of evolution is sure
but if it is to be evolution it must entail uncertainty and risk and it is
to the honor of all Lanonandek sons who serve their Michael's that they can
function so at great peril and bring the light of Paradise to the
evolutionary worlds under their charge. While Lucifer caused much turmoil
and certainly endangered his well being, Satania has been gifted indirectly
from his actions. 

His efforts were reacted to by other beings of light and that reaction is
the demonstration of truth and beauty and goodness. Lucifer did not need to
engage in the ideology he believed in order for Satania to receive such
benefits, the benefits came from all others as they reacted contrary to
Lucifer. Free will is the most mysterious element of personality. How it is
that the Father who is free will, can give up that free will that you, a
mortal,m may express with independent decision making abilities and not be
determinately bound by the Father in heaven.

No explanation will be fully satisfactory as long as there is the
functioning of free will in the universe. It requires respecting sovereignty
of the individual and that, in light of the unfoldment of the Supreme Being
makes it virtually impossible to predict or to explain events such as the
rebellion, your system experience. Thank you again for your question and I
conclude by saying, when a ship has passed through the waters, a great wake
has been made. 

It eventually settles down and you can wonder what effects that wake has but
truly it is up to you to ripple the waters, to create experiences within the
Supreme for yourself and for the Supreme. And while a large vessel may cause
much agitation to the many little ones about it, the responsibility for your
own ascension and for your own expression of the Supreme must be the prime
effort you make. There can be no excuse for giving up your ability to
demonstrate righteousness because of the actions of any other individuals.

Q #3: [Mary] Good point Monjoronson, thank you. This next question proceeds
as follows: The Teaching and Magisterial Mission try to fix our society by
telling us how we as a human race should behave. I have no doubt that the
principles and ideas presented are really sound however our society evolved
the way it is now not only because we had no good example of behavior
patterns but also because we are living in a world of material restrictions
and shortages and when it comes to living a life of acceptable material
quality over being nice, living well usually gets the priority and why
should it be otherwise?

This was a rhetorical question but getting the answer would be interesting.
But out of this observation comes the main question. Do the celestials
believe that teaching humankind how to behave nicely while forgetting the
part of how to live well in the material world, do the celestials believe
this will really be effective in changing the human ways? Why do they
believe this? If they do not believe it, how do they expect the material
living part will get addressed? Thank you Monjoronson for addressing this
question.

Monjoronson: The primary goal of every evolutionary world is light and life.
This is true on up through the various realms until we have all seven super
universes settled in light and life. This is a teaching brought to your
world by way of the Urantia papers but not wholly unique to this
[contextual] expression for your world has within its own legends, ideals
that resemble light and life often of ages past but also of future ages.
This age of evolutionary accomplishment is not simply a spiritual state of
being.

It isn't just love, it isn't just good behavior, it also entails stabilized
suns and planetary orbits. It is far grander a state of accomplishment than
even a civilization can affect itself and though while you are encouraged to
spiritualize your behavior primarily for your own ascension but secondarily
for the well being of your world, light and life is more than any human
being or any group of human beings can make become. It is an outgrowth of
supremacy attainment and entails functions and occurrences beyond your
ability to partake.

Material well being is often considered antithetical to spiritual attainment
but this is not the case. It is only when the two are seen as contrary to
one another or independent or irrelevant to one another but the potential
comes about for gross injustices. With proper balance, material well being
can be just as contributory to spiritual awakening. One need not be without
such conveniences to realize spiritual truth. Urantia has yet to fully
develop its ethical standards for material pursuits, it still has much of
what I would call, jungle mentality of predator and prey.

And so our missions come to your world to inject where you have labeled
being nice, that your material advancements will be beneficial and not
foolhardy or dangerous to the welfare of the entire civilization. Light and
life is a stage to be attained by a world but it also a state of being that
can be attained by any individual. It is not simply the peaceful good
feeling subsequent to a worship experience, it is also good health, clean
environments and sound thinking. We who come to your world to teach can only
address you as an individual for we cannot usurp the unfoldment of the
Supreme experience on any world.

In all that you do, ask yourself: will it magnify truth, enhance beauty and
demonstrate goodness for these are the only demonstrable aspects of God in
evolutionary time and space that entails the level of mind, the level of
matter and the level of spirit. Trust all that which lies beyond yourself to
the machinations of supremacy and the eventual harmony of all creatures
everywhere in time and space.

[Mary] Thank you very much for addressing that question Monjoronson. I think
it is good to be reminded about light and life as experienced by an
individual and their individual universe and their own life as opposed to
light and life in the planetary sense.

Q #4: [Mark] Good evening Monjoronson, we have a last minute question. The
questioner asks that for those like himself and perhaps there are  others
who feel in a real sense that the time has come to be activated or the hour
has come for service or some impending need to be activated in their desire
to be in service for all the changes that are upcoming. They ask, is there
is anything you would share with those who are feeling an increased sense of
urgency at this time? Thank you for your response.

Monjoronson: Said Jesus, "Whosoever will, let him come". I say to you
whoever feels such urgency, be about the Father's business and do not
hesitate. Not all are called at each point in time. Some begin their work
sooner than others. This has no bearing on status or correctness, it only is
a matter of the appropriateness of time. So for those of you who feel that
need to get up and get to work, I cheer you forward, do so and do not
hesitate. These are my words.

Mark: Thank you very much for that encouragement and once again thank you
very much for your dedicated working with us in this form of questions and
answers. I think that is it for this evening so we thank you for your
service and we will meet again at our next appointed question and answer
session.

Monjoronson: I thank you for your attention, I delight in your inquiries for
this is when I get to interface with the souls of my brothers and sisters. I
may preach at you for days on end but this has little benefit than dialog
with sincere questions and honest interest. I take my leave, farewell.



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