[tmtranscripts] Jerry Lane 9-30-10

[Kathleen L. Huntley]

-SUBJECT:  LIGHTLINE TELECONFERENCE
             SEPTEMBER 30, 2010

TEACHER:  MICHAEL


T/R:  JERRY LANE



Dear Michael and Mother Spirit, dear Devine Parents, dear old friends  
welcome, welcome, always welcome.   I am always inclined to say “Come  
be with us and then I realize you are already here, you are always  
here so let me make that - help us be aware of your presence.     Help  
us be aware that you are already, and always have been a part of our  
lives, literally a part of us.
          Michael you are the spirit of truth: that orientation to  
this wonderful curiosity of wondering what is this?  What is true here  
in this moment?  This orientation towards an unfolding adventure that  
you reassure us, and help us accept  this unfolding reality that has  
no end.   Mother Spirit your holy spirit is literally part of us.    
Dimensions of our own intrinsic abilities of intuition, to just being  
to know things immediately, without any intermediaries.   Then to  
accumulate this sole wealth of knowledge, and to correlate all that  
knowledge, a thousand ways and understanding.   The courage to do what  
is difficult– if you fear, anxiety, uncertainty, pain.  The courage to  
attempt what is difficult in your holy spirit of counsel that helps  
that innate ability we have to know others and to be known.   That  
ability of yours to help us be aware of, and appeal to spirit to  
appreciate the creation and through that our love and appreciation of  
the Creator in worship.  And the final ability of ours, that you use  
so greatly, the ability of all of this to really gather together our  
soul-wealth and wisdom.   For this dear parents we thank you for being  
a part of us and a part of our lives.    Amen


Michael:   Dear children, dear friends, this is Michael.   And yes we  
thank you for your greeting for we are indeed a part of you.   This is  
our glory.   This is our wonder at being a creator son and creator  
daughter of God.   That we have such companions such dear friends as  
yourselves.    It helps us honor and appreciate ourselves, our  
father’s creativity.   That he created such beings as you.   That he  
endows you with not only your own unique personalities.   Every one of  
you unique, unique in all the creation. But also he has endowed you  
with his creative spirit. This absolute power that literally brings  
something out of nothing.   It gives you this potential to be free.    
You are a personal being, not an impersonal energy or object.  You are  
not bound by antecedent causality simply that which came up to this  
moment but in this moment, in this eternal now our Father shares with  
you creativity.   And it literally comes right out of you.
          Just as God is like one of those surreal paintings of  
yours.   Like a fountain out in the middle of the air bursting  
forth.    So you are also a lot of little fountains like Mother  
Spirit   and myself.   Like all personal beings of thousands of  
different orders.    This is what personality is.   It is an intrinsic  
part of nature of personality.  For as we have taught there is no  
impersonal spirit abroad in the universe.   Spirit is a creative power  
of a personal being.    So this very creation itself, as the creation  
itself points at a creator, a first cause, so it also points at this  
nearly limitless creation of personal beings.    It points at this  
absolute reality of personality itself.    What it is to be a personal  
being.    If it helps your philosophy, think of this as a primal  
division of reality into impersonal reality.  Energy and material that  
are based strict cause and effect as you have chased it now right down  
into the subatomic realm and the nono-second of continuity and still  
haven’t reached any bottom, or top or sides.   But it obeys the  
absolute causality of God’s will. It is impersonal.  It is!   And from  
one moment to the next it is utterly predictable, if as yet beyond  
your science.   For also your science, your understanding of this  
continuity has no limits.
          When you get to a personal being you are getting to a  
creation of Gold’s.    A being that he is endowed with an ability of  
his own to create and therefore, as he ordained it, this being is now  
free.    This being, you, are capable of coming right up out of  
yourselves with something that gives you a choice.   You have  
everything, all that has led up to this moment this eternal now.     
But in this eternal now you have this potential, this possibility to  
originate something out of yourself, out of your own uniqueness.     
That exists, that has existed, nowhere else up to this moment.   And,  
to the very degree you can realize this creativity, you can have some  
choice, some alternative, in addition to that is simply is already.     
This is the power he has endowed you with.   This is what it is to be  
a spiritual being. This is your essence my children.
          You are a spiritual being and whether you are consciously  
aware of it or not you are co-creating your experiences of reality.    
Moment by moment, in this eternal now, you have not only what has led  
up to this moment, in a sense what you have created and what you have  
been presented with all through your life.    In this moment you have  
the potential for something new.    This is the essence of freedom.    
This is the essence of your, we say ‘your relative autonomy” within  
the cosmos.   Because it is not yet for you - unlimited.   You are  
starting out on an eternal adventure.   You are just beginning to grow  
a soul.   You are just beginning to accumulate  experience.  But, you  
are not necessarily bound even by your own experience.  By your own  
understanding.    You are co-creating your experience along with all  
of that out there, all that is not you.   You are very complex beings  
my children (laughter).  Unlike some other orders of personal beings  
you have a physical body.   A living physical body that is an infinity  
to you.   It is your experience of this body is also co-creation.     
You are aware of how it changes.   Sometimes moment to moment with  
excitement, fear, anxiety, delight.    All your sciences and all your  
libraries have not yet plumbed the depths of this living tabernacle in  
which you dwell, is composed of.   And for each single one of you as  
you live, as your body changes, so your experience of it changes.   So  
we often say you have a body/mind because they are so totally inter- 
related.  So co-dependent.   How your mind reacts influences how you  
perceive your body and vice versa.   What you do with your body, what  
you put into your body so profoundly affects your mental state and  
abilities. And so as a spiritual being you are not only presented  
moment to moment with this body/mind of yours it is how you are  
interpreting this, what value you give it.
          What value you perceive and recognize and really are  
creating in your life.   This is spirit.   It is spirit, your spirit,  
that evaluates your life moment to moment.   If you think about it  
this is incessant.    Moment by moment you are evaluating what is  
happening to you.   What you are doing.   So, strictly from the  
standpoint of your personality, even your own body and mind, is  
somewhat other.   It is not entirely yet under your full realization  
and control.   This is another aspect of your growth.    As it gets  
some control, some realization, some unification, even of your own  
body and mind and they are not unlimited either in extent or  
duration.   This very body and mind that connects you with its  
perceptions to the rest of the world,  will go.  Your only lasting  
possession is your soul.    This is wealth of experience you are  
accumulating.
          You are growing.   But it too is a gigantic reality my  
children.   That is co-authored by the presence of God within you.     
So, even your own soul is an infinity to you.   You really have to sit  
down and suspend all the rest of the world just to enjoy a few moments  
of pure soul of pure reliving, as if for the very first time some  
other part of your life.    And so your soul is a spiritual construct  
so much greater than you might say, just your physical memories.    
Your soul is the fullness within your memories.    And you do not  
fully realize your own soul until you become one with its co-author.    
Until you become one with the presence of God within you.
          Now if you think of how you grew into life starting as a  
little baby.   Then for how many years you weren’t even aware of this  
body and mind of yours. You weren’t aware of having teeth and a tongue  
and chewing.   You were just absorbed in the food.    You hardly were  
aware of those little hands reaching out.   You were more interested  
in those toys and those things to get hold of.  You weren’t aware of  
your feet, you were just aware of being able to move around, to run  
over here and there.    It might have taken some of you years and  
years to be aware of mirrors and that person over there.    That  
person who made you aware you had a body. And the mind was just a tool  
you used.   And how limited it was at first because is all collapsed  
from time to time.   Try as your best the whole world just collapsed,  
fell all apart, some terrible terrible aching thing and then you sat  
there bawling until you could slowly, ever so slowly catch your breath  
and start again.    Little by little you became aware of yourself.    
You got this “self-conscious self”.    Your ego began to grow.   All  
of a sudden there was a “Me” in your reality.    And there was all of  
a sudden a “mine” in your reality.   This is “mine”.   For even little  
fishes can be possessive of their accumulations. Even birds can be  
territorial.
          So, indeed you are a very complex being (laughter).    Some  
say this is a curse but what a gift it is.   Mind, Body, Spirit, Soul,  
Ego.    And how your personality can identify with each in turn or all  
together.    And so you see my children how it is not only the  
evolution of culture all over the world, all those hundreds, even  
thousands of little mini-cultures all over the world not only that but  
the evolution of your own life.   How difficult it is, at times, to  
convince people - persons, you – that human beings are spiritual  
beings.    They are co-creating their own experience of life and to  
that degree responsible for what is happening to them.   When so many  
live in an agony, so much suffering based on not realizing this is a  
very fundamental fact of human reality.   To not only they, but also  
every one of those that they come in contact with, is another  
spiritual being, another unique personality created by God.           
To be able to respond to all that you are and all that is happening to  
you is indeed humbling, is it not?   All that encompasses you.   All  
that has its affect upon you.   All that you yourself are constantly  
creating.    Your attitude towards all of that and your interpretation  
of all of that.   All that you are and have been.   What a miracle!
          What an amazing thing this life of yours is.  But this then  
is a spiritual blessing of humility, of being able to be aware of all  
of this.  Even Mother Spirit and I are somewhat in the same  
situation.    We too must humbly acknowledge and thank our Father for  
even being able to perceive, to be aware of this encompassing of his  
that is an infinity in every direction and every dimension.   And the  
very fact that here we are.   Moment by moment.   Every moment we are  
complete, as all the rest of his creation,  and yet by his will what  
you call ‘time’.   This eternal now is in motion and here comes  
another moment and another, like it or not.   This is his will and  
here it comes.    To welcome this will of his.   To welcome, even to  
enjoy and appreciate and worship this creation of his.    Me and you –  
and each other.
          This is our responsibility.   This is our blessing to be  
able to grow this innate desire, this innate ability to respond.    
Especially to each other.   We acknowledge that only God is  
responsible for the creation for only he has that ultimate, even the  
absolute and infinite ability to respond to all that is.
          Still we can reach out to him.  We can orient ourselves  
towards this truth, this adventure this unfolding and say, “Thank you  
dear father – thank you for me - that I am.  Thank you for this  
adventure that you lay out for me”.    On into an unending infinity of  
you to discover, to grow.    And so thank you my dear children, my  
dear friends for coming along with me on this ride.   This  
appreciation of all that we are, even beyond our ability moment to  
moment to understand.   The strange, magnificent reality in which we  
are a part of our own encompassing.   Now if you have any questions or  
comments this evening I am always glad to have some conversations with  
my friends.


Q#1:   Does that include all of us Lord?   Can we ask a question too?

Michael:   Oh absolutely

Q#1.  Thank you.   I would like to know, if I may, how does Spirit see  
and hear and smell?   Do we have the ability to have our spirit see,  
hear and smell just as we can sometimes read each other’s minds if we  
are sort-of advanced, or are we truly engaged with another person we  
can perhaps do what spirit can do?  Perhaps even more deeply now?     
Can we develop that ability?

Michael: My daughter there is no limit that can be put upon  
personality.   This essential reality that you are, this unique being  
that you are, neither in extent nor duration.   As long as you are  
associated with this body/mind in this first life of yours, there are  
limitations.    There are – these limitations are with respect to what  
you can grow into.   At each moment, as I tried to express this  
evening, there is - you are facing a kind of infinity of what you can  
do.   So, all this is an unfolding, even of your own potential.  The  
way you put it ‘ you don’t know what you can do until you try’.     
That is a rather broad answer, but there is no way to pin down, and  
that is a blessing, what all of your capabilities are.    You just  
have to try and then be really honest with yourself as to what the  
results of this experiment were.

Q. Yes, I see.   Thank you – thank you so much.


Michael:   Let me throw you a challenge.

Q. OK


Michael:   This will be with you forever so you might as well get used  
to it.   The greatest challenge of any personal being, in your  
relating with our father, is to open yourself in prayer and  
meditation, and ask of yourself and of the whole spiritual community,  
‘what is the best thing to do next?’   That is kind of scary is it  
not?   It is also opens a door to potential.    It is truly humbling.

Q.    I will do it.   What is the best thing to do next after prayer  
and meditation?   OK – Thank You.


Michael:  In prayer and meditation – yes.

Q#1: In prayer and meditation

Michael:  One of the most sincere prayers you can ask of yourself and  
of the presence of God within you and you can do it anytime.  Be  
conscious of it.

Q. Uh huh Wonderful, Thank you


Michael:   You are welcome my daughter.  Be in my Peace.

Q#1:   If no one else has another question I have one more.


Michael:   Sure

Q#1: OK – The woman who touched your hand received energy.   The same  
we are to give out to uplift people.   But, she was a believer.  Is  
that paradigm necessary?   Must the person be a believer before they  
get the greatest transmission of our own energy?   Is – or is that not  
necessarily the formula  to best help and save souls?   Can we have  
one formula for that?  I guess what I am asking is can I still plant  
the seed in a non-believer that did the same thing as when that women  
touched your hem.   Can we still give that energy or does she or he  
have to there to receive it with a certain willingness to believe, a  
certain faith?   Or do we have so much to give to them and overcome  
what they don’t have?

Michael:   Well now my dear you are asking the very nature of love  
itself.

Q#1: Yes

Michael:  Love can just be a total ‘beam me out’ of well wishing  
towards another.   That will affect them, but not always  
consciously.    Think of the difference between belief and faith.   
Belief is a kind of a construct within you. It is like you have your  
own personal philosophy of life.   It is what you are doing your best,  
moment to moment to understand all of reality.   What you believe is  
true.   But, by that very nature it is a time/space construct that  
hopefully, is capable of growth, evolution.    Faith is the ability to  
extend yourself beyond belief.    That is why it is so closely allied  
to courage.    It is so closely allied to power.   It gives you an  
ability.  And, so it is more or less your faith in the very power of  
love that enables you to beam this power out.   This good wishing  
toward someone else and then faith is rewarded in fact.  Something  
happens.  Faith is a unique power that lets you do things beyond your  
belief.   It is not a suspension of belief; it is a going beyond  
belief.   Then it is rewarded in actuality.   Something actually  
happens because of this faith that nothing else can do.  And it is a  
very special reward.    So, yes, by all means, your faith in the power  
of love.   In your own sincere, good intentions – again there is limit  
again how that can affect someone else.   Because they have, in  
addition to what ever they believe, they have the presence of God  
within them.   They have a personality – and they can recognize a  
kindred soul – irrespective of their belief.   It simply helps when  
then their belief system, if you will, has this possibility within  
it.   It makes it easier for them to recognize the love you are  
sending them.  But, the love you are sending them and its affect is  
not dependent upon their belief.   If their belief is such that you  
can help them recognize what you are doing that reward is that much  
greater for both of you.    But, as you love, and as that love has an  
effect, so it can help them – so shall we say, evolve their own beliefs.

Q#1: Excellent.   Thank you so much.   I love you Michael.

Michael:  Thank you my daughter.   Mother Spirit and I can feel  
that.   That is part of our glory is to feel that love.

Q#1:   I am glad.

Q#2:  How are you doing today?

Michael:   Hello – Go ahead.

Q#2:    I bring you greetings.   Thank you for the work you do.  I am  
so grateful and appreciate your blessings to our lives and I am really  
desirous to see that many more people get to tap into the ministry of  
the Teaching Mission and I know that it is becoming a reality.   More  
and more people are becoming aware of monjoronson.com and TM  
Archives.    It is a beautiful thing you know.    I just wanted to say  
thank you for the great work you and your team – you know –  
Machiventa, Monjoronson and the others, Mother Spirit and so many  
others involved in this massive work.   Sometimes it seems to some of  
us the progress is so slow that change on the planet is so slow.   I  
would like to say one or two things to encourage such individuals and  
sometimes, some Light workers tend to get saddened by the forces of  
evil.   They feel the forces of evil are so strong and it is so  
difficult to push for change, for positive, progressive changes in  
government, in politics, in religion and in every area of life.  Even  
in material prosperity, because … in poverty in different parts of the  
world.   And few people have so much money.    The Light workers get  
tempted to feel, ‘this is so difficult, I’m not going to see this  
wonderful, positive changes of prosperity, material prosperity,  
righteousness, justice, peace in my lifetime.”   And sometimes it  
weighs on them.  I would appreciate it if you would give a word or two  
to encourage such people.   Then, on a different note, if you may  
choose to talk about it, this idea – this concept of inner earth.    
You know life in inner earth.  We have seen planet earth but, in the  
inside of this orb called Urantia there is this life in existence,  
many many miles down the surface of planet earth.   Maybe up to 800  
miles down.   There is this world  (unknown)…that is used to peak   
that denotes this other life when brothers and sisters existing within  
inner earth.    If you want to talk about it I’d appreciate it. I know  
for some reason   sometimes some teachers don’t want to talk about  
it.   I don’t know how you feel about that.    If you want to talk  
about that.    I am interested in the brotherhood of man on the  
surface of planet earth and also connecting (unknown)…  other planets  
and also what exists within planet earth.  If you want to talk about  
that I’d appreciate that as well.   I will go mute and listen to your  
comments.    Thank you.

Michael:   Yes my son. It is always helpful to keep in mind that what  
you perceive as evil is largely reactive.   It is almost defined by  
the absence of true creativity.   Of never – of poor human beings  
never quite coming into this eternal now and experiencing the full  
power of their own creativity.    Of never touching – never growing  
and touching an inner spiritual home base.   Of never having this.    
So much of what they are doing is coming from a position of fear and  
of reactivity.  Of feeling somewhat helpless in the stream of  
events.   So, in a way, lacking that appreciation, that worship, that  
thankfulness for their life, for all those around them, they are  
always, as you say, behind the curve, always just a moment too late.    
Never being able to feel and accept the responsibility of this co- 
creation that they are involved in and what is happening to them.
          What has happened to them is as much their own doing as what  
appears to them appears simply as ‘what was done to them’.   With this  
orientation, with this basic philosophy of life and understanding that  
they are not responsible, they are cutting themselves off from their  
very own power of genuine creativity.   They, in a sense, make all  
that fear and apprehension disappear.   It is those who view  
themselves to be powerless.   They are extremely dangerous because  
there is no limit what they can do in this feudal (?) – seeking more  
power ever more power.   If they can’t realize the power they have,  
that they are responsible for what is happening to them then they have  
no ability to respond to it.
          So, keep this in mind.   That is where love is the only  
thing that can conquer this.   It is your own creativity.   You own  
being ‘in the moment’ and accepting, welcoming, your own ability to  
respond.   In a sense it keeps you out of that subtle trap.   This is  
where you cannot simply respond in kind. Because again, you are merely  
reacting to their reactionary behavior.    It is your own creativity,  
your own freedom, from however they are presenting themselves.    It  
gives you that liberty.
          Also my son, keep in mind, as you live your day-to-day life,  
as you come in contact with others, through your power of creativity,  
love and appreciation and worship, you are literally demonstrating  
what is possible.    And, so you might perhaps kind of capture their  
attention, peak their curiosity; get them to wondering about your  
freedom, and about the fact that you are not merely reacting to them.   
The Urantia book calls it a spiritual fragrance that you have.   About  
your whole being and the way you are handling life.   This is what you  
are offering to them.   You are, if you will, teasing them out of  
themselves.    To be spontaneous, to be free, to realize their real  
power.   You have that rather cynical political maxim that ‘power  
corrupts – and absolute power corrupts absolutely’.   Which may have a  
certain validity in political and social, economic realms, but in the  
spiritual realm my son, absolute power corrupts absolutely no one.      
For it is your Saints, your folks who have lived their lives for  
others that really had the real power.    And so, as they say the  
challenge is for each one of you as it is for me.   It is not what is  
the easiest or the hardest but what is the best thing to do next.
          You can start every day with meditation or a dozen times a  
day to stop and wonder.   Open yourself – open yourself to your own  
wisdom and your own love, your own spiritual nature and the presence  
of God within you.   Dear Father – help me know what is the best thing  
to do next.  Totally irrespective of whether you can do it or not.    
That is the courage of self-honesty is to know the best thing.     
Whether you can do it or not!   Then, all the rest of it falls into  
place.   Then the world is transformed and you see there is no need  
for patience.   The spiritual evolution of the world is not some slow  
dragging process.    But the human race is on a roller coaster and  
always has been.    Things are moving so fast especially now.   You  
have some poor folks saying “slow down.   Too much, too soon”.  The  
reactionary.   So open your heart to them my son.   Send them your  
love.   Realize the pain they are in.    Let your love and this  
consideration help transform you as well as you hope it will transform  
them.   And be in my Peace.

Q#1: That was beautiful

Q#2: Well thank you Michael.   Do you want to talk about inner earth?

Michael:   What is that again?

Q #2:  Would you want to talk about inner earth?   Life in inner earth?

Michael:  Enoch?

Q#2:  I-N-N-E-R  E-A-R-T-H   Inner Earth.  Life within the planet.   
Human life, intelligent life taking place inside planet earth.  …Am I  
coming clearly to the TR?

Michael:   Excuse me son, I can’t quite understand that.
Q#2:  I think it is my unusual accent.  Maybe the TR is not picking it  
up.  The second part of my comment was about inner earth.   Life  
within planet earth.  Inside planet earth.  OK…

Michael:   Yes I understand you my son.   To me this is a concept that  
has a certain validity in a kind of a spiritual way in understanding  
forces and that.  But there is literally no personal life within the  
earth.   It is, as your science offers you, the  vision of a – the  
world is actually a purely impersonal reality.   There is no inner  
life in that sense beyond that which exists on the surface of the world.

Q#2:  OK – One of the reasons I brought it up is because in some  
circles we hear about the Galactic Federation and this idea – or this  
reported facts that the Galactic Federation …   within inner earth.   
So, if you go down through the oceans for example, there are different  
entry ports.   So, some of the entry ports are through the oceans.    
So you go down down further down, away from the surface you can get  
through an entry port into inner earth as it were.   I have an idea or  
an illusion of the Galactic Federation …  within the planet earth as  
it were.

Michael:  Yes my son, I understand the concept now.  But, that is only  
a symbolic meaning.    It has no actuality in the physical world.  It  
is literally, as your science is projecting, you go down through a  
very kind of a surface that is sitting on a molten layer of magma and  
as you go into the center of the earth it is as your science projects  
it –you get to a solid core.    Of the heavier materials and such with  
temperatures greater than the surface of the sun.   Much as your  
Urantia Book describes it.   But, these are – this is only a  
combination of what you would call geologic forces.   There is no  
personal beings other than those on the surface.

Q#2: I got you.

Q: #1   Michael is it possible that sometimes people can create  
scenarios through great desire.   You say anything is possible.  But,  
this might even be counter productive.    Sometimes family members who  
are grieving firmly believe they see members that have passed on or  
graduated.   I used to contradict them saying there was no way spirit  
is going to come back to do something trivial, although I know  
exceptions can be made if there is an important reason for them to  
come back shortly after death.   But, I thought they were doing it to  
themselves to make themselves feel better.  Creating a scenario in  
their minds, but they insist they really do see people who have  
recently passed.   I am thinking for instance of my father who  
recently passed and my sister saying she saw him.   Shall I just let  
them believe what they need to believe unless I’m asked for my  
opinion?  Anything is possible but it just makes me feel like I am so  
wanting to enlighten someone who knows nothing about the Urantia book  
so – the foundation would be difficult for me to begin to talk to her  
about why I know they cannot possibly cross over once again after they  
have graduated.

Michael:  Yes my daughter.   I think you have a good grasp of the  
situation.    Without that frame work of understanding about – first  
of all what the personality is and then with the very psychic circles,  
what happens to people - different individuals as they die.   Those,  
which join the ranks of the sleeping survivors, those which you know,  
are -relatively more quickly find themselves on a Mansion World as  
they cross over very quickly.    You have to consider them the  
efficacy, the very purpose then of what you are attempting to do.   If  
it is not within their belief system, here again, if it is not within  
their belief system,  you can only make, shall we say, certain  
suggestions.   But, what is the point?   If your sister has these  
experiences they have this, what you might call a relative validity  
for her. What is the point of trying to prove something one way or  
another if the ability to recognize that that proof is not there?     
It would be merely destructive unless it is somehow or another.   This  
whole sense of dealing with ghosts, which do not exist.   The Urantia  
book is quite succinct between the unconsciousness of the last moment  
– right before death and reawakening on the Mansion World.   The  
personality simply resides with God.   It has no way of manifesting  
itself.   Without that understanding it is almost pointless to destroy  
what is a very valid psychological experience.

Q#1: I can see that now.   Absolutely

Michael:  Here you can simply, if they are open to it, kind of tease,  
lovingly tease with notions if she is open to exploring this whole  
realm.   In this case you are merely offering to add to it rather than  
destroy what is if it is not being destructive to her.  If her belief  
system is not hurting her in any way – that is just her belief  
system.  It is a matter of love to acknowledge that.   It is enormous  
love just letting people be.  Just enjoy them as they are.

Q#1: Yes – enjoying them as they are.   Got it!   Thank you.

Q #3:  Michael?

Michael:  Yes

Q#3: Would you allow me to … further on the previous question.   I  
think there is a little bit of confusion of what we have been learning  
from other sources.   I’ll rephrase the question a little bit.     
Would there be physical beings of extra-terrestrial origin meaning  
those not of earth civilization.   Are they somehow influencing our  
earth in anyway whether they exist in other star systems or they exist  
in maybe caves or some civilization on earth that we don’t know  
about?   Would these beings possibly be influencing our civilization  
in a way that would affect … time or Monjoronson’s Magisterial Mission  
or the Teaching Mission and things like that.   Do you understand my  
question?

Michael:   Yes my son.   I take it you are referring not to the  
spiritual community literally, but to physical beings.   Beings that  
have some physical ness.  In a sense requires some form of starship or  
whatever have you to be here.   And no, they are not influencing the  
course of human events.

Q#3: That would be the question – the broad question.

Michael:    (Laughter) That is it in one sentence.


*The Telephone Connection with Caller #4 was not as clear as other  
connections.   Periodically there was a static that made accurate  
transcription difficult.



Q#4: Michael may I ask   something then, maybe on the component that  
you referred to of the spiritual economy or the spiritual levels of  
personality who are - The Urantia herself.   The Planetary Supreme  
Urantia.   The evolutionary – the representative, or the Planetary  
Supreme who is the evolving actualization of all of our choices who we  
contribute to bring into our personality level at some future point   
beyond light and life.  Could we – Is this our true concept?

Michael: Yes my daughter, there is a manifestation of – The Supreme is  
that dimension of reality that is a consummation, accumulation of all  
the personal experiences.   In that sense the Planetary Supreme is an  
evolving entity that like the Supreme Being is an evolving  
manifestation of evolving time and space events.   It is contactable,  
but as it is hard to say how this registers in the human consciousness  
as something again is an enormous encompassing that is more felt as a  
presence because if you stop to consider the supreme being of the  
whole evolution of all of humanity on this planet.   Ever since Andon  
and Fonta that is something that would have for you, shall we say, a  
kind of a presence or any kind particularity or specificity within  
this would be less than what it is.  What I am saying is the Planetary  
Supreme can only register as a kind of presence beyond that you are  
getting into some very particular notion of it.   You would be  
breaking it down into less than what it fully is.  Do you see what I  
mean?

Q#4: Yes, certainly.  And the glory of being human is in the cosmic  
circles is to become aware of responsibility, Cosmic responsibility in  
our own actions and daily actions.    Loving people as they are,  
loving the work that we do.  Conquering our inclination to wallow in  
self-pity, observing  evil.   All of those things.   We contribute, if  
we are wanting to contribute to the supreme as a presence or as  
anything we can really understand.   We can only really see the  
Supreme as our little own miniscule contribution.  But we are aware of  
our contribution.   We are aware of looking around us and seeing the  
world but, very specifically in one particular spot in time and space  
and loving that moment – that eternal moment of being able to choose  
for you in your will and your Father’s will to move that momentary  
inch toward the realization, the actualization towards the Supreme.

Michael:   The planetary Supreme is part of the encompassing in which  
you live.    But it is so far beyond, just like the Supreme Being is  
so far beyond human comprehension.   As the totality of all human life  
of all human experience.   All your soul in a sense.   Think of the  
World Supreme as the World Soul.   As the soul wealth of the planet  
and all the millions and billions and trillions of human beings have  
lived this is so far beyond human comprehension, yet it is part of the  
encompassing in which you do live.   It is part of the spiritual  
community if you want to look at it that way.  Of all the other  
spiritual beings that are on the earth.   The Planetary Supreme is  
some really awesome reality that you can only be aware of in this  
sense as part of this incomprehensible encompassing in which you  
live.     And, this way the appreciation of that is kind of like your  
own soul acknowledging what it must be like even as your imagination  
can best supply you with some form.   But it is quite formless in that  
sense.   Any kind of form you give it is so much less than what it is.

Q#4: And then how do you as Michael, as Michael a Master Son..Me  
asking you?   Well Well …. You as a Creator Son and Master Son and as  
Urantian, have a perspective of course that we can never have but we  
can share .. ..     and encourage ought daily   moment-to-moment to do  
what is the best thing to do now – not just for the moment, but also  
because we are contributing to the Planetary Supremes over souls.

Michael:  That is wrapped up, in what I talked about tonight.  Being  
aware of the fact that you are co creating.   You are involved in what  
you are experiencing.   This wondering what is best to do with your  
life, even moment by moment.   It would definitely are reaching – it  
is like opening yourself to this totality, even of your own being  
which might seem impossible because you are an infinity to yourself,  
both body, mind, spirit and soul.  To your moment-to-moment  
consciousness.   But, having this orientation, having this humility of  
not feeling humiliated by your limitations.   But by being aware of  
this humility is a spiritual blessing being aware of them, that way  
you can have some notion of where – we said one time, you can have  
some sense of the ideal thing to do.   And, you have this inner  
desire, this inner honesty of acknowledging that ideal whether you are  
able to do it our not.   That is just the direction.  Just lean into  
that direction the best you can.   That way, it came up recently; you  
are not totally humiliated by this potential.   You feel this  
potential you have but you never have been able to fulfill it.   But,  
instead of feeling that you are constantly so shy of realizing your  
potential you actually have no actual life.   You do have an actual  
life.   You are able to distinguish between the ideal and the real:  
between  the potential and the actual.    Some folks are so self- 
deprecating, so humiliated, that they never quite feel they are.     
They are so identified with this unrealized potential.   It is like  
they are missing what is actually happening to them and it is a  
tragedy.   So, your decisiveness, your desiring to be fully conscious  
and decisive and responsible as you can be, that is what adds more to  
the Supreme.   At the same time, the Supreme is the actuality of your  
life and everyone else’s.    I have to give another lesson sometime on  
the difference between and the complementarily of potential and  
actual.    As you are able to be more and more actualized in your life  
you increase your potential. Does that help clarify your relationship  
with the Supreme?

Q #4: Yes, when I first read in the Urantia book and about the Thought  
Adjuster and how incredible distance in the time and space between  
myself living here on the planet and my actual sitting in paradise  
with our Heavenly Father that the Adjuster was /is a way of bridging  
that gap of loneliness and that gap between myself and that distance  
experience.   This also, this living as fully as possible with an eye  
and an intention and an action dedicated to contributing to the  
Supreme here on Urantia is for me a work - is an all encompassing soul  
work, that keeps   me out of other people’s space (laughter).  I used  
to be quite a proselytizer of the Urantia Book and now I love to enjoy  
people as they are and even those people who are, - who indulge in  
evil because they don’t recognize their own ability to co-create.   
Still, I don’t know very many of them face to face but I hear of them  
or read of them or I am told of them through various medium.    Those  
people too are talking a love of themselves from me because I  
minusculey participate in the evolution of our whole planet’s gradual  
extension or accumulation into the Supreme.    That seems sort of  
broad chambered thinking, but that is how I feel, how I actually look  
at it.   Yes, it is very humbling but not daunting to stand with your  
feet on physical ground and be your physical hand Michael in  
correcting myself through that time, the correcting of my self-time,  
and the loving attempt to make actual your love to the people I see  
around me.

Michael:   My dear you have the essence of it.   Keep in mind the  
Supreme is fully encompassing of everything you would think of as good  
and evil.   In other words it is again the true story of all that has  
happened.    In that sense it is all-inclusive, but it is also just as  
an individual’s soul it is your own soul.   It is not only your  
memories of what happened to you.   Your soul was co-created by God by  
a presence of God.    And so, in this sense, the Supreme Being fully  
contains what you might think of  all the good and all the evil that  
men and women have done.   It is also seen from God’s point of view,  
as well as how they themselves experienced it.   So, as you say, while  
your Thought Adjuster is a presence of God in which there is no  
separation within God.     There can be and there is experience, the  
experiential reality of separation within individual human lives. I  
mean people can suffer enormously feeling separated from God.   And  
that has a reality that is real for them.   You can not gain say that  
and say that is some kind of mere illusion this suffering as some  
philosophies put it.    That suffering of separation is some kind of  
unreal illusion.   That is their experience.   And so this is a way of  
honoring and respecting each person’s each individual’s experience of  
life.  And that is what the Supreme is concerned with.  Both the  
individual personality’s experience of life and how that life is seen  
from God’s all inclusive, all wise, all knowing perspective as well.    
So – continue.   Continue my Daughter.   You definitely have a great  
sense of the essence of what love is all about.   And just the  
greatest thing you can do with other folks is just enjoy them!

Q #1: Michael if we are enjoying someone who says something you  
consider might be hurting them but would strip away the basis of their  
religion.    How do we decide on which side?   For instance, I am  
thinking of people I hear that say the following, “ Well I thought I  
could do everything on my own except I can’t get to heaven on my own.   
So that is why I need Jesus.   That is why I need Christianity.”  I  
know many worth folks who believe this.  Great intent, wonderful faith  
loving people but, in that case do we just respectfully bow down to  
their credo and just say, “well I believe differently.   For instance  
we make it to heaven if we try at all and the Lord is merciful.   But  
it is so much easier with the living religion the living way, the  
truth and the life.   Is there something I could say to them to ease  
or to bridge that gap to get closer to the truth?   Would it help them?

Jerry:   The life kind of feeling of the presence of Michael on that  
question was something just a little light hearted teasing.  You  
know.  You open up to people’s beliefs   and you can present…  I don’t  
want to speak for Michael, I just got that kind of a feeling as people  
ask questions I can of feel his attitude sometimes…   I am kind of  
forming just a matter of a little light hearted teasing and then   
playfulness  and  be respectful of others but just offering. In  a  
sense of real -  Just understanding each other’s philosophy   you can  
offer yours without any   necessity to bow down or to  accept anything  
and also to grant them the ability not to bow down and accept yours.   
Thank you all for being in the occasion.

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