[tmtranscripts] Net #48, Sept. 24, 2018

[Roxanne Andrews]

PR

*New Era Transition #48 – Making contributions; Humanitarianism; Justice
System – Sept. 24, 2018*



*Machiventa Melchizedek, Planetary Manager*



Topics:

Machiventa’s multiple mind connections

How we assist in the clumping of individuals

Being highly spiritual is not necessary to make contributions

Knowing that you are guided

Discourse on Humanitarianism

The problem of homelessness

Surveillance of capitalism

Announcement by Xsamuel of “Monumental Significance”

Survival of democratic governments

Using the 7 values with the justice system

Closing statements



TR:  Daniel Raphael, PhD



Team members present:  Roxanne Andrews, Jeff Cutler, and Doug Dodge



Invocation:  Jeff



*September 24, 2018*



*Machiventa’s multiple mind connections*



*MACHIVENTA:*   Good morning, this is Machiventa Melchizedek.  I have the
adept ability to have my presence and my mind connection shared with
several groups at the same time, as you must already have been aware for
some time.  I can be at once here with you and at once with our team member
in Copenhagen who is representing the values of your species to his
superiors, and for that we are greatly appreciative and this is exactly how
it is done to help organizations, whether they are commercial,
governmental, non-profits or others to evolve and mature and develop into
organizations that help sustain families and individuals and of your
communities and societies and your nations.



*How we assist in the clumping of individuals*



We have spoken a number of times of this clumping and gathering together of
organizations and individuals.  We have the wonderful ability to be with
you when you are with others to see through your mind, to know what is
going on as you associate with others as they relate to our work.  We also
are with you to prompt you or encourage you to call someone whom you may
not have spoken with for several months or years to bring about this
clumping together.  We have been using this process for many years and will
continue to do so.  In many ways you are our emissaries as you go out from
your situation or place, whether that is sitting in your armchair, or
whether you are moving about in your employment or elsewhere to observe you
in contact with others.



This is not necessarily about you; it is about those you contact.  We have
an appreciation for the mental activity that goes on in your mind.  As you
contact other people we are able to access them more easily as we compare
your mind action with their mind action.  We come up with an evaluation of
the capability and the possibility of using those individuals in our work.
Of course we have already made an estimation that those individuals that
you are contacting have some viability already, but through our
observations and comparisons, we are able to assess whether this individual
will stay the course with us or not, and what they have to contribute or
not.  Some individuals will be with us for a short period of time and make
significant contributions; there is no loss through that if they do move on.



Those of you who appreciate and understand this process have already seen
through your own lives that you have come into contact with others, or
others have contacted you.  And so the process begins.  Through your
associations, you as individuals begin to contribute to others and others
begin to contribute to your efforts and your projects that you have working
with us.  Thus, there become more and more people who are attracted to our
group, your group and the groups of others who have these similarities in
mind.



*Being highly spiritual is not necessary to make contributions*



The criteria does not necessitate that individuals be highly spiritual or
committed to doing God’s Will; some will come into your lives who are able
to make contributions who are not of our “kind,” so to speak, yet they can
be very useful and we have a deep and abiding appreciation for their
contributions. There are others who will be deeply spiritual and seek to
grow in their spiritual maturity through this adventure with us.  This we
will continue to encourage in many others.



*Knowing that you are guided*



When you know that you are “guided, that you are connected” with us, you
will find that people will come into your life for a reason, either for
themselves and their projects, or for you and your projects.  One way or
another you know that there is something afoot that spirit is deeply
involved in, and that is our work with you.  This is one of those signs,
symbols and omens of our presence that there is something afoot, something
working in your life and around you that draws you into that circle of
influence.  Know this, you will have a fairly good idea of what will
develop and thus you can have a conscious intention to make contributions
to those efforts, knowing that we are involved too.



I am open for questions if you have any.



*Discourse on Humanitarianism*



*Jeff:*  I am sorry that I missed our last session, but I did read the
notes very carefully and on page 12, just before your closing, you said,
“Another question that arises and has not been asked or answered yet is an
aspect of humanitarianism that is involved between personal and societal
morality, and we ask someone to bring that question forward in the next
session.”  Was your intent of the statement to have someone like me ask
you, “Would you like to comment on the difference between personal and
social morality,” or would you rather I ask a more specific question?



*MACHIVENTA:*  Yes, yes and no, in that order.  (Much laughter!)  Yes, my
question was blunt and specific; I have wanted someone to ask that question
specifically and yes, I will make a comment about that, and no, you do not
have to ask specific questions.  Let us begin:  In the morality of the 7
values that are innate to your species and to you, each and every
individual, there arises a morality, a means of making decisions that
support those values for everyone.  The ethics becomes how you choose and
decide who is worthy of ethical treatment by you and who is not.  This must
be decided.  You have also the 3 secondary values of empathy, compassion
and a generalized love for humanity.



Now, let us take the case of the uninvited immigrants to Europe from Africa
and the Middle East, some of whom have entered the United States as well.
In the case where they are uninvited to a nation, there are several moral
obligations for the immigrants and for the supposed hosts—the involuntary
hosts:  These primary questions have been answered in the paper that we
have generated with This One, entitled *Answering the Moral and Ethical
Confusion of Uninvited Immigrants.*  We hope that you would read that
paper, as the questions that are involved are very brief, but the answers
are very much in tune with the morality and ethics that we espouse through
your values.

Now, the question is this, and this is something that we want to remove or
eliminate the confusion of these situations:  There is no conflict between
the morality and ethic that we have developed and generated for and with
you and humanitarianism.



The aspect of humanitarianism that has not been answered in that paper will
be answered today.  Let us clarify that personal morality requires that you
obey the morality that we have given you, that you have no obligation or
responsibility to eliminate or kill another individual without moral cause,
and that you do have an obligation to protect others, which may mean that
you are the agent of eliminating that threat.  That is an obligation that
obeys individual or personal morality and makes a contribution to societal
morality.  In the case of personal morality you have definite personal
rules of morality and ethics to obey.



In the case of a society, there is a societal moral obligation to protect
future generations of that society so that that society can continue to
exist into the future.  This means that there is an obligation and
responsibility of societies to remove individuals who are perennial
predators, or those who have a proclivity to commit immoral activity at the
expense of victims.  Society has a moral obligation to remove those
individuals from the society in which they live.  In this case, removal
means the physical elimination of their life force within them, called
death.  We do not use the term “the death penalty” as there is no “penalty”
or punishment involved in societal removal of an individual.  It is not a
penalty and there is no mitigation for the removal of an individual, just
as there are no mitigating circumstances that the predator/assailant can
provide to remove the damage to the victims.  This is a different concept
of mitigation that you have been unacquainted with.  Not having seen this
before, it is a part of a higher level of morality that must be attended to
by your societies that are evolving and maturing.



In the case of humanitarianism, you as an individual may make a decision to
save the life of an immigrant or many immigrants, but you are taking upon
yourself the societal morality of your nation or society.  Do you have the
right to do that without consulting your larger society?  You may defend
yourself by saying, “I was just being humanitarian,” and yes, that is a
worthy thing to do.  It is humanitarian to save an individual who has been
struck by a car, a car that did not stop in a hit-and-run situation.  It is
humanitarian, and you have a moral obligation to come to that individual’s
assistance.  However, when you obligate your larger society, your nation to
commitments that you have made personally in the name of humanitarianism
that is immoral.  Humanitarianism is a confused state of individual
morality, the perspective of those individuals who feel they must save
other individuals from their harm and danger from decisions that they make.



Now, in the case of a nation that has voluntarily accepted immigrants, and
will accept new immigrants even without invitation, then that nation takes
on its own humanitarian burden which may cause dilution of the culture and
societal standards of that existing society.  *When you take into account
personal morality and societal morality, then you see that humanitarianism
becomes the natural thing to do for other individuals, when you do not
commit your larger society to do so. * When a nation or a national leader
has not made a decision, and has not consulted with the society of what to
do with uninvited immigrants, then there is great chaos and confusion in
the morality of what to do with those uninvited immigrants.
Humanitarianism is sincere, but sincerity is not the measure of rational
decision-making for a society and nation that must consider all future
generations.  The humane decision to accept those individuals, even
tens-of-hundreds-of thousands of uninvited immigrants causes a tremendous
burden upon future generations for the decisions you make today.  Now,
which is more humane?  It may be humane to the uninvited immigrants, but it
is surely an immoral and inhumane decision that you make on behalf of
future generations.  You, in fact are making moral obligations for those
future individuals to help support those uninvited immigrants.



In the case of a nation that does accept uninvited immigrants then there is
a moral burden upon that society—meaning the government and its
sub-organizations and associated non-governmental organizations—to
socialize and enculturate uninvited immigrants to become a part of that
dominant culture.  Immigrants may say this is awfully burdensome and an
infringement upon their rights and liberties, but in fact, until they are
citizens, they have no rights—this must be considered.  Governments and
nations that accept uninvited immigrants have not thought through the
burden upon future generations.  It is important in our perspective of
Planetary Management, of which we are striving to teach you through this
form of morality, that you proactively think moral and ethical decisions
ahead of time before those situations develop.



Now, having said all of that, we are making this extremely clear to you
because you will be forced to make moral and ethical decisions in the
future when there are more and more migrations, mass migrations of
individuals into the higher elevations from coastal areas that were not
invited to do so.  And in nations that do know that this is coming, it is
timely to make moral and ethical decisions in the process.  You may say,
“How do we do that?  How do we anticipate the future when the ocean rises 3
feet or 100 cm?  How far will that go inland?”  It will go inland a long
ways.  The moral responsibility of your government who wants to be
proactive in preventing disasters, cataclysms of humanity in the future is
to:  Push back building zoning codes and so on farther inland.  This can be
done over a period of 50 years.  In 50 years your oceans will surely rise 3
feet.  Your scientists continue to be mistaken about the rapidity of the
advance of the oceans and how they will rise.  Lowland areas that will be
inundated inland 50 miles by a 3 ft. rise will be deeply in trouble, no pun
intended.  Situations of lowland countries must anticipate the moral
questions that will come into existence.



This can be not only delayed, but the confusion eliminated by making
proactive moral decisions in terms of visible dimensions.  What we find is
that many of you are innocent victims of your own unawareness, meaning that
you know this will occur, but you think it won’t happen to you, or that it
will not impact your children or your grandchildren.  Well, my friends,
your children and grandchildren surely will be impacted and believe that
they will be the ones making those moral decisions that involved the
humanitarian treatment of others, or not, because of the requirements of
morally sustaining future generations.  In this case, we are being
proactive with you to teach this form of morality so that *you* can begin
thinking about your own children, where they live, what they do and whether
they are suggested to move from lowland areas or not.  The only areas that
will not be greatly affected are those communities which are abutted by
cliffs of 50 ft. or more heights, surrounding the local oceanic areas.
When you couple the rise in sea levels with the increasing violence of
weather of hurricanes, tornadoes, cyclones, etc., you will see that when
there is an inundation of water due to storms, the sea rise will be
tremendous, the “tidal surge” as they call it.  When you combine that with
the sudden winds that bring those inland surges to heights that exceed 50
feet, then you will see that only cliffs of 50 ft or higher will be saved
from destruction that now exist.



Humanitarianism is wonderful, but it can be an act of irresponsibly in the
name of humanitarianism.  It is humanitarian to assist others to learn how
to farm in areas which are now deserts; it is humanitarian to go to areas
which are lacking water to help drill a well for them and give them
material that they can maintain and sustain into the next 50 years.  It is
humanitarian to provide those populations that exceed needed replacement
numbers to have training, insight and methods and medications and devices
for population management.  It is humanitarian to be caring of others, but
in an essentially logically and rational means that does not cause harm to
future generations.



As you can see, if you have read the paper on uninvited immigrants, the
questions that were involved were only cursory, very brief; they were
truncated as an introduction to thinking individuals to begin thinking
about the other problems that would be involved.  Our discourse today has
been an attempt to cover those unanswered questions that were in your minds
as your read through that paper.  Even now you will ask questions, which we
hope you do, to clarify the unanswered or undiscussed areas of your
thinking.



*Jeff:*  From your remarks I was mulling in my mind the situation of Mr.
Orzan of Hungary and the Hungarian people’s resistance to having uninvited
immigrants for which they remember Moslem invasions in the past.  Do you
care to talk about the social morality of the government of Hungary’s
position?



*MACHIVENTA:*  We do not.



*Roxie:*  Machiventa, sometimes I think we are overly sympathetic as a
culture versus being empathetic and compassionate.  Is this valid?



*MACHIVENTA:*  It is very valid; thank you for asking, for stating of that.



*The problem of homelessness*



*Roxie:*  Currently we are having a problem with a lot of homelessness in
all of our cities.  Would you address the humanitarian aspects of how we
treat these people who are citizens of our country, some of which prefer to
be homeless and some who are homeless not of their choosing.  Would you
discuss this, please?



*MACHIVENTA:*  Yes, it is a very brief answer, and the answer is this: that
your societies, democratic nations and other nations came into an existence
without a conscious intention for their own sustainability and how they
would deal with social issues as that.  You know as well as we do those
nations and organizations which do not have a clear intention for
anticipating future conditions will eventually collapse.  The degree of
homelessness is a measure of the incapacity of a society to become
sustainable and is a prime indicator of the eventual collapse of a
society.  It is, first of all, a measure of the unpreparedness for the
moral obligation of responsibilities of parenthood to co-participate in the
population management.



Population management is morally exercised on a personal basis when it
considers in all future generations.  Overpopulation, the bloating of
population, is an indicator of a lack of moral consideration for your
children and grandchildren.  The need to have large families is no longer
existent; having 10-12 children to help farm 1,000 acres is no longer
necessary as you have machinery that can take their place.  Pride of family
and reproduction are symbols of egotism and the seeking of power, control
and authority in one form or another.  Over population is not a healthy
practice personally or collectively for a society.  The only way it becomes
a moral necessity is when there is a huge population loss, such as after a
major military conflict as occurred after WWI and WWII.  But to continue
reproduction causes uncontrolled growth and immense problems for everyone
and particularly for all future generations.



*Surveillance of capitalism*



*Jeff:*  I would like to ask a question on a different thread, if I may.  A
number of years ago—I can’t remember exactly when—you gave sort of a veiled
statement that things were going on in the Internet that would be
deleterious to society and that we should be aware of it, but you didn’t go
much further.  I watched Julian Assange’s last interview before he was
essentially entirely silenced.  He made the statement that children born
today will be subject to the scrutiny of the entire world as data about
their whereabouts, their habits, their purchasing preferences and literally
every keystroke they make on their electronic devices will be recorded,
aggregated, filtered and used for political and economic purposes.  My
question to you is from the standpoint of the 7 core values, what exactly
are my rights or anybody else’s rights to privacy in this age of what has
been called “surveillance capitalism?”



*MACHIVENTA:*  We will avoid answering that question at this time.  We
recommend that you find reference to what Albert Einstein said about future
generations and the technologies that were to come.



*Announcement by Xsamuel of “Monumental Significance”*



*Jeff:*  I read from the 11:11 Progress Group, a note dated Sept. 3, 2018
from a teacher I had not heard of before whose name is Xsamuel—I don’t know
if the X is pronounced with a “Z”—and the subject was an announcement of
“Monumental Significance,” received by Chris Maurus.  Is there anything
that you can add to what Xsamuel had to say, or would you like to comment
about it?



*MACHIVENTA:*  We confirm Xsamuel’s statement.



*Roxie:*  That was interesting; I read it also.



*Jeff:*  We’ve been told about discernment but validation is very, very
helpful!



*Survival of democratic governments*



*Roxie:*  Machiventa you have mentioned that democratic governments are the
only ones to survive into the future.  I’m concerned about our own
democratic government in the United States.  It is deteriorating at the
present time.  Is there any hope for its survival?



*MACHIVENTA:*  That is why we are here.



*Using the 7 values with the justice system*



*Jeff:*  I met a young lady recently who has been elected to the Southern
Oregon University Foundation as a student representative and clearly,
someone from your group quietly tapped me on the shoulder to turn around
and meet her.  She is studying at the School of Criminology and Social
Justice.  And I reached out to her with our project on the campus and she
responded to me in a very positive manner, saying that there is an immense
amount of research and knowledge about criminals and their incarceration,
and it was her opinion that the real problem is that there are so many
individuals who are almost purposely opposed to the 7 core values.
Commensurate with that, I have been reading a book on the History of Japan
and I was fascinated by the point that the Meiji restoration of
re-energizing the office of the Emperor, when Japan’s society was
physically threatened by the presence of European Navies, that they turned
their society very rapidly in a very short period of time from a belief
system that was centered around the family to a belief system that was
centered around the Emperor and they did this out of what they thought was
great necessity.  So, my roundabout question is:  Is it an appropriate
place for us to spend time with the 7 core values with people who are in
the justice system? or the rehabilitation system?  Is this an area where we
should go, or should we stick to schools and younger people?  What is your
opinion on the best use of our resources?



*MACHIVENTA:*  One moment.  This is not an either/or situation; it is an
“and” situation.  It is “and” because we need individuals to be the
frontrunners of introducing the values to all concerned.  It will take time
for individuals and groups and associations and organizations to begin to
assimilate these values and the ethics and morality.  It is because of the
logic, the prima facie logic of the values and their characteristics that
give rise to this morality and ethics that will have an effect upon your
societies and cultures.  We do not like to use the word “irrefutable” but
you cannot argue against your own existence.



So, when these are introduced to organizations and individuals, such as the
justice system, which comprises the police, courts and corrections, you
will not only present the values, but also their characteristics and begin
to develop the logic of your argument.  These are very well presented in
the manuscript that This One has produced with us and makes clear in
startling form, standards for the performance of sustainable social
institutions. *[1]* <#_ftn1>  If you were to simply present the 7 values to
these individuals, you will fail and you will form an opposition from
them.  There are individuals who do not like to see change; they want to
return to the traditions of your nation and your culture.  This is quite
evident in your last election.  You must be prepared for the long haul, for
a long form conversation.  There are some, of course, who are adamant and
will make an irrational and illogical decision no matter how it is argued;
leave those people alone.  Do not spend or squander your energies or your
efforts with them.  It is people who see the situation of your societies,
your nation, your communities, your families and the whole world now who
are open to suggestions because they see what is coming and what is here
now, where you will have your best results.



You personally, have a responsibility to develop those introductions as
best you can, not for us, not for everyone, but for you.  You need to think
through your argumentation to ask the question you asked of me just now.
Your argumentation must be developed; you must know who you are approaching
and why.  It is important that parents understand the importance of this
new facet of education, because their children will be making the decisions
for *your* safety, *your* health and *your* life and *your* care, and *your*
grandchildren as well.  Do you want them to make irrational, immoral and
unethical decisions concerning your care when you are in a hospital
situation?  Probably not.  This is a degree of attention you need to pay to
your presentations.



*Jeff:*  Is there something you’d like me to ask at the next session?
(Laughter.)



*MACHIVENTA:*  Well, my dear friend, as you are assertive enough to ask me
that, we are certainly assertive enough to ask you to ask us, which we have
done.



*Closing statements*



Let us bring this session to a close, please.  Those of you who are here
today, those of you who are reading this transcript, you are literally our
eyes and ears.  We have the capability of knowing other people through you
and comparing that situation.  It is in this analysis of yours and
thousands of other dyads of individuals and multiple contacts that we are
able to forge ahead more successfully than before.  And because the
circuits of darkness have closed, we have seen success come into
individuals spontaneously.  Those individuals who have been pessimistic and
sarcastic and have negative opinions about things we have already seen that
they have suddenly changed their tenor and their perspective of the world.
That was not done by coercion; that was done by the elimination of the
circuits of darkness.  Now, you are surrounded with light and the circuits
of light and circuits of connectivity at your level of mindal capability
with us.  We now have a way forward that is clear and unobstructed.  We do
not see that we will have further difficulties, except in those cultures,
those ethnic groups, those nationalities and individuals who have a
proclivity to make irrational and immoral and illogical decisions
consistently, for their own interest and not of others.  Those individuals
who have an interest of others, or have “other-interest” will see success
come to them.  The programs that we have been sponsoring will now begin to
bloom.  You will see and find and hear and know that this is happening as
you live your life and connect with others.  We have connected with you and
now you have a way forward to more easily connect with us.  When you open
yourself to guidance and to Christ Michael and Nebadonia’s influence and to
the influence of the consciousness of the spirit around you on this planet,
then you have a way forward for yourself and your own life.  We do not wish
you luck, we bless you!  Good day.

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[1] <#_ftnref1> Raphael, Daniel  2018  *Restoring the Greatness of
Democratic Nations — A Radically Conservative and Liberal Approach*.
   Available at  https://sites.google.com/view/danielraphael
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