[tmtranscripts] NET PMG #19

[James Travis]

*2021-11-29, New Era Transitions Planetary Manager’s Group #19, Machiventa*

Planetary Manager’s Group #19



Machiventa Melchizedek, Planetary Manager

Topics:



*In chaos, contact the Divine in prayer*

*Ethics, morality, and the 7 Core Values*

*Cultural changes now and in the coming years*

*Getting back to normal?*

*COVID-19 compared to Spanish Flu*

*The new contentious dynamic*

*Role of elders in society*

*Be of good cheer—where you can develop it*

*You are in the company of angels*



TR:  Daniel Raphael, PhD



Invocation: *JT:* We mark the passing of Marthe’s husband, and of our very
own Roxie who provided transcripts of these meetings for 20 years or more
among her many other contributions.



2021-11(Nov)-29



*In chaos, contact the Divine in prayer*



*Machiventa: *Good morning, this is Machiventa Melchizedek. It is a
pleasure to be here with you and thank you for your presence. Your world
continues to be in its stages of controlled chaos where everyone is doing
their best efforts to sustain the life that they knew before the pandemic
began. This will continue for some time. It is a matter of it becoming more
and more difficult for people. This is one of those situations that is not
sudden. Yes, it may have seemed sudden to you that the pandemic began two
years ago and now the last 12 months have been tumultuous, difficult, and
trying. This will be the method that will be sustained. It is difficult for
your civilizations—for your nations—simply because there is no competence
to show the way through this. This is a totally new experience with no one
having the expertise or prior experience to see their way through for
themselves and for their nations. This is as difficult for national leaders
as it is for you who are ordinary citizens *in* your nations. This is not a
situation that is comfortable. It is not one that is conducive to deep,
intimate prayer, for instance, for many people. It is yet a time when
prayer is most important for people to practice as the means to be involved
and be in contact with the divine. In all circumstances, you are supported.
Yes, your personal circumstances may be in jeopardy, but the whole planet
is supported and thoroughly involved in its recovery.



You and we are experiencing a period of time that is difficult, and while
stable in some regards, is unsettling for you personally. Yes, I know that
many of you are saying: “We would like to see a miracle.” But it is not a
time for miracles for your world as a whole. Yet individually, you see many
wonderful things happening for individuals and their families.



I am open for questions if you have any.



*Ethics, morality, and the 7 Core Values*



*Jeff:* Good morning, Machiventa. Thank you for joining us again. Two weeks
ago, in the discussion of Artificial Intelligence and the teaching of
ethics and morality, you brought up the possibility that different cultural
and religious groups would have an interpretation of the seven core values
through their own particular prism. You mentioned Hindu ethics, atheistic
ethics and morality, and so on. (I'm quoting you there.) I'd like to read
you a recent statement by a non-western politician and ask if you have any
comment. This is the quote: “The importance of a solid support in the
spheres of morals, ethics, and values is increasing dramatically in the
modern, fragile world. In point of fact, values are a product—a *unique*
product—of cultural and historical development of any nation. The mutual
interlacing of nations definitely enriches them. Openness expands their
horizons and allows them to take a fresh look at their own traditions, but
the process must be organic, and it can never be rapid. Any alien elements
will be rejected anyway, possibly bluntly. Any attempt to force one’s
values on others with an uncertain or unpredictable outcome can only
further complicate a dramatic situation and usually produce the opposite
reaction and the opposite from the intended result.” Would you care to
comment on that? Is that leader going in the right direction from your
point of view or the wrong direction?



*MM:* This is Machiventa. Well, Jeff, it is not that simple. It is neither
black nor white. The values and morality that is contemporary of what this
individual is speaking about are culture-bound. They are man-made. These
are values that have developed over time through social interaction and
cultural interaction. These do not bring you to the center and the focus of
the permanent, timeless, and universal values that are native (indigenous)
to the human genome. The seven values that we have spoken of many times in
the past are those that are of your species. The values that this person
speaks of, are *not* of your species—they are adaptations of the mores and
standards of various cultures. And so, they are impermanent. They are
mutable, meaning that they can be changed. They can be completely removed
when one moves from one culture to another. What this person is alluding to
is the amalgamation of values, morals, and ethics, but [they have] not yet
grasped the idea that the values that they are speaking of are
reducible—meaning that if you take the ethical principle of fairness (which
is an ethical standard in many professions), it can be reduced down to
equality—meaning that the value of another individual in a business deal is
equal to your own. And so, you would interpret that equality, in that
instance, as being fair. You would give them equitable consideration as you
would yourself. Does this help?



*Jeff:* Yes, it does. And if I might ask a follow-up question, I'm trying
to get my life in order to where during the next year I can spend a great
deal more time trying to get content on the 7corevalues.org website. In the
past you've said don't worry about rebuilding the wheel when you get to
where you have something of value, others will seek you out—*you* meaning
the group here. Is it appropriate at this time or during the year to work
on expanding the words that you just gave us that certain countries,
states, or groups can say what they wish about moral values, but if they
are not down to the essence, they're not sustainable and try to promote the
seekers who come to that website to give them some understanding of where
they can sort it out in their own minds that this is the only way.



*MM:* Yes, you are most welcome to do that. You are more easily involved in
the controversy which that will lead to than This One, and it is better
said by others who are also working with the values to better understand
them. In all cases, you always have the seven values as the ultimate human
social standard for ethics and morality. Rely upon them and they will do
you well in your argumentation. The reality of the seven values as part of
your argument is that these are innate to each individual, and that they
are part of your species and that….



*Daniel:* Oh, this is Daniel, I'm struggling.



*MM:* And that these are the ultimate values that will unite groups of
people. Values have separated groups, cultures, ethnicities, and so on in
the past. It is fruitless to maintain separation. This is one for a
specific field that will give unity to all people. You are all alike and so
you have the same values, and as God loves all of you equally and wants you
to return to Its domain in Paradise, It provided you, through Christ
Michael's creativity, the means and the values that are inherent to you to
return to the First Source and Center. Thank you.



*Jeff:* Thank you very much.



*Stéphane:* Good morning Machiventa. Stéphane here. How are you today?



*MM*: I am fine though This One is flagging. So be a good cheer as he is
not too wordy today.



*Cultural changes now and in the coming years*



*Stéphane:* Let's try to cheer him up. Listen, you mentioned something in
your opening statement that got my attention and is also aligned with a
question that's been on my mind to ask you. You said we're desperately
trying to get back to the way we were before the pandemic, and it seems to
be on everybody's mind, on every news media, et cetera, that we're almost
there, and when we're almost there, then there seems to be another curve
ball going at us like this new variant that puts us back on the longer path
to “recovery.” My question to you is simple: What is the path forward for
the next twelve months, two years, three years, going forward? I doubt that
we are going to go back to the way we were before. Situations such as
pandemics and others will force us on a different path, but maybe you can
give us an insight as to what we're facing over the next one to five years.



*MM:* I will strive to do so, though in all regards it will be incomplete.
With that advisory, what will continue is the lack of appreciation by
various populations to recognize what has happened to their world. For
those people who are involved in things financial and things economic, this
will be a difficult time, and truly, those measurements are completely
inadequate to convey the totality of the change that has occurred to your
world. First of all, there has been a great break in the continuity of the
cultures of various nations—all nations in fact, whether they’re communist,
totalitarian, or democratic. The culture is now in a course that is
different from the old normal. The old normal was its own culture. It was
based on masculine authority and power, and was, unfortunately,
misogynistic in many ways so that equality was a phantom that never was
able to take hold.



*Daniel:* I don't have a clue what I said. I think there was a mistake
there. This is Daniel.



*MM:* What you will see in all regards, however, is a continuing tightening
of the cincture that wraps around all cultures like a belt. It is much like
taking a polyester belt and then expose it to high heat, and of course it
will shrink and shrink and shrink. That is what is occurring now in all of
your cultures and all of your nations—the tightening of all conditions is
making conditions at the personal level most difficult.



*Getting back to normal?*



There is in your statement, if I recall correctly, a misstatement, and that
is that things were returning to normal. This is not the case. In some
regards—financially and economically—it *is* trying to return to normal,
yet what you are seeing is that viruses such as the COVID and related
viruses are free agents—they can morph and *will* change and *will* morph
as they become more widespread. Vaccinations—whether given by injection or
by pill—will have a slowing effect to this, yet there was always room for
pockets of virulent populations where great changes can occur to the virus
making it more dangerous and more easily transmissible. What is being
withheld from the public by the virologists of the various national
laboratories is that the way of the viruses is always progressive for their
transmissibility and, occasionally, for their [lethality].



Viruses do not have a mind—do not have an intelligence—they simply
replicate, replicate, and replicate many, many times in their host
individuals and spread that to others. It is not a matter of success or
failure on the part of viruses as they have no intelligence, but the fact
that through their rapid replication and adaptation, their form can be
modified through chance developments, and some will be successful in
becoming more transmissible than others. And, of course, those are the ones
that will be infecting many people. Whether they are lethal or not is not a
matter under the control of the viruses either. They will duplicate and
duplicate until they duplicate themselves in ways that are highly
transmissible and transmissible before the death of the host individual.
The [lethality] of the virus is not a concern of the virus. It is simply a
means of statistical replication so that the replication hits on a formula
or a design of the virus that fulfills the need to replicate and replicate
rapidly and in as many people as possible.



That is the full, worst course that virologists are seeing. As the death
rate is quite low for this virus, it is not a concern that its lethality is
not very high. The concern is that, in time, that factor may increase to
the point where the person who is the host may be infected silently without
them knowing it, and that within three weeks they will have reached the
limit and then they are deceased. That is the worst-case scenario for
humanity as it would cause the demise of many, many people. That has not
become a visible factor yet with this virus. Virologists know that that is
perhaps an eventuality, and while having people vaccinated and taking the
vaccinating pill, they can slow the rate and the replication of these
viruses to different models that resist the spread of the virus. By
subduing the rapidness of the spread of the virus, you are in fact
decreasing the chances of it spreading and developing into a lethal virus.



I feel that there is more to your question... Oh yes, you were speaking
about three to five years. That is remarkably and ironically mostly a
matter of personal decision making on the part of those people who have yet
to become vaccinated and those people who are vaccinated to expose
themselves to others who have the virus active in their bodies. This will
have a tremendous effect upon the course of your societies, international
travel, and on the economics and financial conditions of individuals,
corporations, and governments. With the continuation of this process of the
many waves of virus rising and falling, it is eventual that it will weaken
the economies and finances of governments and corporations. It will not be
good for the global economy or for trade and so on. It will also be an
invitation by those malevolent political leaders, national leaders, for
them to take advantage of weaker nations at that time. All in all, it's not
a good situation for humanity, even though it was an eventuality that this
would occur. Thank you. If you have further questions regarding your topic
or other topics, please ask them Stéphane.



*COVID-19 compared to Spanish Flu*



*Stéphane:* Yes, just an extension on this one. Thank you for your answer,
Machiventa. An extension of that question is: How does it compare with the
Spanish flu almost 100 years ago? This one took three years to settle
itself *without* vaccination, are we looking at something completely
different now?



*MM:* No, the situations are very similar. People 100 years ago during the
Spanish Flu pandemic learned quickly to avoid those houses, those friends,
those individuals where the flu had taken hold and had killed people. It
was also a matter of it raging around the world where it killed
approximately 50 million people at that time which decimated populations
and, quite frankly, scared everyone else from traveling or from associating
with other people. They too wore masks. They did not have the vaccination,
as you said. This too will run its course and given the nature of this
virus and the precautions and the processes that your virologists and
national laboratories are taking, this infection will last far longer than
the Spanish Flu did. Thank you.



*Stéphane:* Thank you, Machiventa. Thank you for your answers.



*MM:* You are most welcome.



*Rick:* Good afternoon Machiventa. how are you today?



*MM:* Muy bueno, thank you.



*The new contentious dynamic*



*Rick:* Okay. You mentioned during our last session that since our removal
from [Planetary] quarantine in the mid-1980s, certain constraints were
removed and are no longer in effect. One result has been the current
dramatic and destructive polarization we are experiencing in politics,
societal relationships, and families throughout our world. My question is:
Would you please expound on how this new contentious dynamic will proceed
in the near future?



*MM:* Yes, I will strive to comment on it though again, it will be
incomplete. The past provides us with wisdom to assess the current
situation—meaning that when nations are weakened, stronger nations will
attack. [There was an interruption here due to noise.] To continue with the
incredible divides among people, whether it is politics, nationality, or
whether it is immigrants and immigration, these factors will continue and
become heightened. The simple dynamic of the human is “me or you,” and, of
course, the option is always for *me*, rather than *you*. And so, it is a
matter of heightened awareness of the threats from the outside—whether it
is ideological, moral, political, economic, financial, cultural, or
personal. So, the increase in population of the Earth has not helped this
situation. It brings out the animalistic side of humans to protect
themselves and, according to the personal inclinations of individuals, that
when they see others are weak, they will attack; they will be strong, they
will be dominating, and seeking others to be in submission. This fracturing
of societies goes to the local level, and even within families. It is not
something that brings together union: of joining, of sharing, of being *we*
rather than *they*, and so on. This is a cultural dynamic which has always
been latent within cultures and can be expanded by those cultures and those
associations which see the world as being hostile rather than being
friendly. Thank you.



*Recca:* Thank you JT. Good morning, everyone. Good morning Machiventa.



*MM:* Good morning.



*Role of elders in society*



*Recca:* Maybe this is tied into the last question, and also to the fact
that we have a number of our group members graduated to the transition
world. As a person now, I am in my 60s and... (No, that's not true. In my
70s, I keep forgetting.) Is the attitude and the role of the elder in our
society shifting because we are living (some of us, some cultures, some
nations, some people) longer and are still getting around. Is there a shift
because of continued aging of what the elder’s function is in society? We
are not sitting next to a fire spouting wisdom and knitting or babysitting.
Is there a role for the 70 and 80-year-olds in an active, ongoing,
developing, improving world society?



*MM:* When you expand it to the world, there are several answers for that.
When you contract it to the national level or the national culture, let’s
say France for instance, the United States, or some other nation, the
answers are different yet. In cultures that have a youthful orientation as
does the United States as a whole, then there's little regard for the
elders to volunteer or to be *asked* to volunteer, such that they are no
longer part of the social equation of the young culture. This is most
unfortunate as there are great sources of wisdom among the numbers of the
elders that live.



The spread of what used to be called senility (now called Alzheimer's
[Disease] and dementia) has made it such that the elders are
suspect—addled, old fashioned, out of touch, historic but living relics of
the past, and no longer a viable part of society. However, within expanded
families of national and cultural origins, there is great room yet for the
elders to share their wisdom. This is best done, of course, during
childcare and from child activities ensuring work with the younger
generations. The elders can teach cooperation, coordination, and many of
the better values of humanity to them as they work for instance in
gardening, in the house, or putting up fruit as the Mormons do to store it
away for the winter during their canning and freezing seasons. It is a
matter of decision-making on the part of the individual elder to dismiss
that and make themselves valuable.



How would you do that? And where would you do that? That is the question
that you need to answer for yourself, personally. Thank you.



*Recca:* Thank you. I'll think about this and have other questions for you
at a different time. Thank you.



*JT:* That does it for us today Machiventa. Do you have a closing for us?



*Be of good cheer—where you can develop it*



*MM:* Yes, most definitely. This is Machiventa Melchizedek, your planetary
manager. My first words are, be a good cheer! And you may say: “Well,
Machiventa, there's not much to be cheerful about.” But we would say to
you, be of good cheer where you find it, where you can develop it, and that
is with your friends and with your family. Appreciate that which you have,
not what you don't have and give value to what you have created in your
life and be thankful that you do have things that occupy your mind to keep
you busy. There is a purpose for you, and there's meaning in your purpose
and in your living. It is a matter of discovering that as many people are
now unemployed and choose to be—who choose to not go back to work and
choose to do the easier life than being in high competition. Friendship is
perhaps one of the most undervalued and magnificent assets of human social
existence. Wherever you see individuals, smile, and say, “good morning”, or
good afternoon, and be cheerful in your countenance. It is not necessary
for you to bring up topics of woe and grief to have something to talk
about. Rather be pleasant and be kind to each other, for sometimes, in
times of need and difficulty as this, this is all the good cheer that you
may receive so you want to expand that in your own personal life, your own
personal thinking, and particularly in your own appreciation of yourself.
You do not want to be miserable to yourself or to other people.



Christ Michael as Jesus gave you a good example of how to live life that
way—it was humble, it was in deep appreciation for others, and recognizing
those who he could be a good ear to and those he could not. It is a matter
of discernment, and if you discern your life rightly, you will have things
to give praise to, as we know you do.



*You are in the company of angels*



Remember too, that you are not alone. You are in the company of angels, and
that you walk each day and live each day in the company of those who you do
not see, those who have great comfort for you. And when you are grieving
and in need, call out to your unseen friends for their accompaniment and
their befriendment. They are here, and this is a wonderful gift that they
can give you. Good day.



*JT:* That is sound advice for sure. Thank you Machiventa and thank you
Daniel.





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