[tmtranscripts] NET PMG #7

[James Travis]

*2021-06-14, New Era Transitions Planetary Manager’s Group #7, Machiventa*

Planetary Manager’s Group #7 – (Find this and previous PMG’s at:
https://bigmacspeaks.life/*)*



Machiventa Melchizedek, Planetary Manager

Topics:



*Develop a working relationship with God’s presence within you.*

*We are also here, and want to co-create with you*

*Pragmatic expression of spirit*

*Improving the quality of life for others in service*

*Seven core areas of human experience and growth*

*The October workshop on team building*

*Accepting the indefinite*

*Ideal representation in a democracy*

*More on a political party across nations*

*Raising the level of the conversation*

*Attract the right kind of people*

*Our agenda is about co-creativity*

*Revealing the presence of the Celestials*

*Some will choose the nothingness*

*A base set of expectations*

*The greatest challenges*

*Establishing commonalities*

*Call on your spiritual assistance to light your path*



TR:  Daniel Raphael, PhD



Invocation: Liz



2021-06(June)-14



*Develop a working relationship with God’s presence within you.*



*Machiventa: *This is Machiventa Melchizedek. Thank you for your presence
here today. As I see you, I also have a very large perspective around the
world, around Urantia, to view many people simultaneously—everyone at once
and individuals in particular as I choose. We wish you to have the same
perspective of yourself among billions of people—that you are one of many
and that you have a personal relationship with your Thought Adjuster, and
it has a very particular one with you. The acknowledgement of the God
presence within you is a beginning place that follows faith and trust and
knowing that God is in you. And secondly, to then develop a working,
functional, conversational relationship with the God presence within you is
another step closer. That is an important one, and oftentimes it does take
not just days, weeks, and months, but sometimes years and sometimes even
decades. We know that for humans to accept the presence of spirit within
themselves as an active, functional entity that they can cooperate with,
coordinate with, and co-create with is spectacularly new for many people.
Yet this is the truth of your personal relationship with a Thought
Adjuster—the God presence within you.



You see, as we've said many times before, it is not that you have to beg
God's presence to be with you. We bid *you* to open your presence to the
spirit *within* you. It is as simple as that. We have always proffered our
presence to you. It is simply your option to accept or not. What [is]
required to have any functional relationship with anyone is to have an
awareness of their existence, to acknowledge their presence, and then to a
*ssert* yourself into that presence so that you can begin a functional
relationship. But such it is with the God presence within you, your
guardian, your celestial teacher, and with many others. You have around you
the presence of many who are waiting for you to accept this proffered
invitation so that you can become a functional part of God's Universe and
Christ Michael's Correcting Time. Whether you participate in that
Correcting Time as an individual—alone by yourself without participating
with others—it makes no difference to us. It is simply that you have
offered yourself to be of service to Christ Michael, to Jesus, your
guardian, and your Thought Adjuster. This is where we begin. This is where
*you* begin.



*We are also here, and want to co-create with you*



Let's take this one step farther now and we have proffered to you (“you”
meaning everyone on the planet) the capacity to be in a functional
relationship with us and what we are offering you is our co-creative
energies to begin with you to announce our presence to the world—that we
are here and that we want to co-create with you. And this is not just a
simple, intellectual practice. It is not a simple devotional practice. This
is a pragmatic, spiritual practice that we wish you to invoke in your life
and to begin the process. You are seeing many people who are doing good in
the world. You were seeing many who are taking on projects as you have
never seen before. People are awakening to the fact that they are not just
one, but you are one among many and many are available to you to
participate with you in the energies of co-creation. Even other mortals are
present with you to co-create. This is an incredibly honorable time to be
alive, particularly to be a *believer* and now you can, as most mortals
like to do, they like to *do* things. You identify with doing—to enact
activities to accomplish something. And so it is that we are opening this
new era to the functional, pragmatic, practical relationship between
spiritual entities, spiritual beings of the light, and *you*. You may say
“Well, where do I begin Machiventa?” You begin by acknowledging that you
have a relationship, you acknowledge that you have a *willingness* to do
something with spirit, and if you don't have a willingness to do something
with spirit, then there is no harm in withdrawing from that. You simply
believe and accept that spirit is here and that you are being guided along
your life. You plan to graduate into the morontial realm eventually, ending
your mortal career on this planet.



*Pragmatic expression of spirit*



So, you see, this is an opportunity for people who want to have what you
call feet on the ground. This is where the rubber meets the road. Where
people put a shovel in their hands and start digging. Many of you have been
digging for years and years, and now would like to do something. You would
like to build something; you'd like to express yourself in more pragmatic
ways. You want your spirituality to express itself in more pragmatic ways,
and not as outward efforts of piety or a demonstration of faith, but simply
that you would like to see your world become more peaceful—more socially
stable, families become more functional—able to raise children who are
happy, and *those* children are able to raise their own eventual children
to be happy as well. Of course, that requires some definition to define
what *happy* is, and that's where many people in the materialistic realm of
your world are lost. So, it is a matter of finding yourself. What we are
seeing though is that there are many millions of people, whether they are
rich or poor, who are awakening to the fact that the greatness of their
wealth and their houses they live in does not get them happiness, does not
give them peace, and does not improve their quality of life—they just
simply have an abundance of quantity of life.



*Improving the quality of life for others in service*



So, you see, you are beginning to see what your neighbors are doing. You
are part of this community—this community of the Teaching Mission,
Magisterial Mission, Urantia Book, and so on. You're beginning to see your
friends in these faith belief systems where you actually visualize seeing
them do something with their faith. They are engaging the improving quality
of life for other people. It is not necessarily just going down to the soup
kitchen and volunteering to ladle out soup on weekends. No, this is much
more than that. This is you reaching out to improve the quality of life of
individuals at the soup kitchen. You may have a coloring program, teach
people how to color pictures much as children do. What do idle people do?
What do they think of? How do they keep themselves busy? How do they keep
themselves from going what prisoners have called *stir crazy*—that you
become so immersed in your own existence you’re lost to any intellectual,
cultural pursuits. This is most unfortunate. So, when you think of
improving the quality of life of some individual, at the soup kitchen for
instance (and that is only a rough example of many thousands of examples),
you would want to know what would improve your quality of life while you
live in this situation. That is a very *meaningful* question. They may
defer to the materialistic realm, and we would suggest that you don't
reflect that, but you would engage them in a way that they would be steered
around to the *quality* of life rather than the quantity of life. Of
course, if it's wintertime and they are in need of a quantity of warm
clothing, you would most definitely want to fulfill that. People must be
warm and well fed before they can begin to think of doing other things.



*Seven core areas of human experience and growth*



So, when you think of the traditional religious Christian, Hindu, and
Buddhist traditions of service to others, you may see this now in terms of
quality of life. This would have a great impact upon your immediate
circumstances and your own self-worth. Many religions, churches
particularly, parishes, temples, synagogues, and so on have lost their
missions in life. They simply want to preach the word and not assist people
to enjoy and improve [their] quality of life. What you want to do
eventually is to bait the person you want to be of service to (or the
organization) so that they finally ask, “Well, how do *you* improve your
quality of life?” Of course, that puts you on the hot seat for many aspects
of your life. And all the while, you were looking at these people, these
individuals, impoverished people wherever they live in terms of the seven
core areas of human experience and growth. That would be the physical,
mental, emotional, intellectual, social, cultural, and spiritual. When you
want to be of genuine service to people, you would want to assist them in
exploring one or two of these seven areas of human growth and expansion and
development so that they could improve their quality of life. This is most
challenging for you as a service person, a person who wants to be in
service to others. Remember that you as a growing soul have your own needs
to grow and to improve the weight of your soul. We have said before that
you must make moral and ethical decisions, overcome those memories of hurt
and pain in your life—to work through those—and then lastly be of service
to others.



When it comes to the inner work—the intrapersonal relationship—improving
the quality of life begins at that place too. To improve the relationship
you have with yourself and not to be bedeviled by past memories of hurt and
injury that you caused others or that were caused to you, is a tremendous
place for you to begin to be of service. And of course, you want to address
your own intrapersonal relationship first before you can be effective in
assisting others to do the same in their life.



You know only too well and too often how many times we have spoken about
the seven values and the morality and ethics that emanate from those values
and of the growth that is needed in organizations. We have said before,
years ago and months ago, that it is helpful to infuse organizations with
these values—with that ethic and morality—and also now, to assist the
quality of life of everyone who is connected with that organization—whether
it is the officers of the organization's board of trustees, the senior
corporate staff, middle management, team leaders, supervisors, and the
wonderful sea of employees who support the ongoing production of the work
of that organization. How do you improve the quality of their life? Oddly,
this COVID-19 pandemic has created an opportunity for exploring
alternatives to the quality of life involved with employment—whether it is
being a remote worker, in the corporate offices, or on the production
floors of a warehouse, for instance. This has made a difference in many
people's lives. Consider the quality of life that this has created. And for
some it may be just the opposite—that it has created a lesser quality of
life than before. Nonetheless, when you change people's lives, you change
the circumstances of how they react to it and how they react to their own
reaction. People seek to have a stable platform in life to live upon. It is
not meant to [allow] people to indulge their laziness or their
unproductiveness. It is an opportunity to become productive, inventive,
ingenious, and to express your individual ingenuity in many wonderful ways.
Remember, there are seven spheres in which you can express that.



*The October workshop on team building*



The workshop that we had in May was a very intense workshop for advanced
spirituality—for experiencing the practice of advanced spirituality. The
one that we will be holding in October in Eugene, Oregon will be of a much
different caliber—a different type. It is for those individuals who have
been transformed by their own spirituality and those who wish to be of
service (and those two categories are not necessarily combined). This will
be teaching people how to do something practical in their local community,
how to start a local community design team, to organize it, to initiate it,
to enlist people to do team bonding exercises, and to then learn to teach
the processes of the design team to individuals of potential teams, and
then to actually sit down and figure out a problem among the five to eleven
people, that they must go into that indeterminant phase where they have to
work together, where they communicate with each other. This is an important
phase of team building that is essential to the actual production of
accomplished works later on. There are at least two occasions where there
are indeterminate activities.



One is the team bonding—team building—and the second or third is the
indeterminant, indefinite process in the team where the team is confronted
with the issue of finding a topic, coming to *agreement* on a topic, and
then beginning to *work* on the topic. There's only so much that a
facilitator of a workshop can teach the potential teams. It is important
that teams attract those individuals who want to initiate activities that
assist the quality of life of their own family, their community, their
neighborhood, their city, state, and so on. This is a place where leaders
come forward. This is a place where incredibly helpful followers come
forward. And when I use the word followers, this is definitely not a
demeaning position at all. Do not think that for once. It is the
individuals who ask questions that are most important in the team—people
who have that intuitive capacity and insightful and incisive capacity to
ask questions which slowly dig deeper and deeper.



Sometimes the right question can cut through days of work of a team that is
befuddled by what to do next or how to approach the problem. This is a time
when there is a need for reflection. There is a synchronicity that can
occur when people do take a break from the team and go apart. They might
take a day off. They may go work in the garden, but through this process of
reflective moments of restorative calmness in their life, they oftentimes
come to sudden insights about what they were doing. This is the
synchronicity of leadership that the leader—the facilitator—can see that
the group is stymied, needs to move ahead, and perhaps needs to take a
break from all of it.



*Accepting the indefinite*



You may think that, perhaps, we are overemphasizing these teams and the
values and so on. We have been working with This One for over four decades.
It is important that the investment that has been given by us is seen to be
productive. We too have a need for seeing the productiveness of our efforts
with individuals and groups of individuals. And we do particularly work
with individuals who have the centeredness, the balance, and the
groundedness to accept the indefinite. I chuckle, because this is the most
difficult problem of being spirit led—those indefinite times where there
seems to be no direction. But you are doing as the Zen Buddhist would
do—you are letting that be revealed to you, and then you will begin.



If you have questions, I'll be most glad to answer them. Thank you.



*Ideal representation in a democracy*



*JT:* Alright, I'll start a question-and-answer session. I'll start with
some questions from Walt. He asks: “What ratio of representatives to
citizens do you recommend as optimal?”



*MM:* Ironically, it is 1:1. I say ironically because a highly functional
democracy chooses to accept the input of every citizen and proactively
provides the means by which they can do that. A representative would be one
who gathers the opinions and preferences and choices from those 1:1
relationships such that they can present a rational, necessary, proactive
agenda of legislation to their state legislature or their house in the
Congress that would make sense to a broad spectrum of other people in that
nation. Thank you.



*JT:* And he asked you to please provide one or more examples of a
successful process used to validate public sentiment in the context of
individuals becoming very involved in their own governance.



*MM:* We have none at this time. Thank you. We do invite you to begin
though, Walt.



*JT:* All right. He asks: “What practical ways can we approach validating
the morality and ethics of our government's conduct?”



*MM:* This has been given to you numerous times. You are well acquainted
with the social sustainability schematic for design and validation. The
same instrument can be used to validate the ethics and morality of the
behavior of individual elected officials or appointed officials. This would
follow the same process as a design *team* process. This would be a design
team process oriented towards moral and ethical questions. The process is
the same, but the genre of questions and issues to be examined would,
perhaps, be different. Thank you.



*More on a political party across nations*



*JT: *Walt says, “You said in your last meeting that there will be a public
political party of the people across nations. Does that refer to a
grassroots version of the United Nations? Please clarify and or elaborate.”



*MM:* No, it would not be an organization such as the United Nations or any
other similar organization. We are inclined to think that eventually there
would be individual local community political parties that are interested
in soliciting and gathering public opinion preferences, choices, and so on
concerning multiple issues. And that in the eventuality of work that these
local design teams do that there would be reaching out to other teams in
other communities whether that is locally, or in a city, or state, or
nation, or across nations. You see, the immature perspective of human
existence is that you are all separate and that your nation is separate
from other nations, and that you have nothing in common with you except how
we can make money with you or from you or together. The reality is that
humans are basically all the same. They all have the same basket of needs
and value interpretations that emanate from the seven core values that
every human has within them. This is the bonding element that ties your
political organizations, future political organizations, and their
legislation together. When nations and states begin thinking in those
terms, they will begin thinking and solving common problems and attune to
each other at the individual basis for resolving those problems. You are
seeing even today in the G7 and the other forums of nations where there is
identification with each other, but there is a difference of opinions about
topics and issues.



Of course, what it will take is the consciousness of some initiators—some
grassroots starters—to begin this process. It is something that definitely
has a great future to it, and the calamities, catastrophes, and cataclysms
of the present era (which will continue) will force these groups to work
together [rather] than separately. You can become more powerful by joining
the forces of two individuals than by two individuals working apart. It is
that kind of synergism which necessity will bring forward to humankind.
Thank you.



*JT:* And his last question is: “You stated, ‘It is important that the
authority of the public be balanced with its responsibilities.’ Please
provide concrete examples of both positive, effective ways the public
should exercise authority, and what are the responsibilities necessary to
balance the exercise of authority?”



*MM:* I have given you the answers to that question in the two former
questions. Thank you.



*JT:* Thank you. This is Recca. Good morning Machiventa.



*MM:* Good morning Recca.



*Raising the level of the conversation*



*Recca:* It’s different to be with you in this format. Thank you. It's hard
for me to write down a question before I speak it. So let me ask this.
[During] our last election cycle, I was prompted to examine the precinct
distribution of votes at my precinct level here in Oregon in my county. I
also belong to a community club which is mostly rural activities. I also
belong to a town soup kitchen sort of community club. I belong to several
different areas of my interests. I also sing music in a public space. Are
you speaking in terms of co-design community teams taking aspects and
membership in each of these individual groups and raising the level of the
conversation to the quality of our group memberships? Is that how we affect
these changes now on our own levels?



*MM:* Thank you very much for your thoughtful question. The answer is yes.
Yes is always a good place to start, and you would want to look
particularly for activist people. If you have an activist group that you
belong to, then you would want to assist them to improve the quality of
their activism. Simply holding a rally, overturning police cars, and
burning the fronts of buildings is very much a demonstration, but it is
socially irresponsible and highly immoral. What you would want to do is to
begin working or suggesting with the inner workings of an organization
whether they would be interested in learning more about a process for
making effective choices and preferences that would work well with other
organizations and groups.



*Attract the right kind of people*



Most organizations do have a self-centered agenda. They want to show others
that they are effective so that other people will join them and will donate
their money to it so that they can make bigger placards, rent bigger
spaces, rent tables and chairs, and so on to hold these rallies and groups.
You would want to work with individuals who have the leadership capability
to want to appreciate what they can do more effectively. Unfortunately, you
will find many individuals who take ownership of new ideas and who deny
that using them would be worthwhile. They want to double down and try their
efforts at their old processes more strongly. When you see this occur, then
you have hit a brick wall, and your efforts would fall upon deaf ears. What
you are looking for (just as *you* have been attracted to this forum and to
the work that we're doing with many here) are people who are open to
receive—people who are curious, people who are minded, people who have a
sense of the wholeness of life rather than the selfishness of one
organization.



And yes, those individuals are rather rare. Whether it is in a huge
political party or whether it is in an office improvement committee. You
want to attract people who are willing to listen. If someone is always
taking the floor and dominating the discussions, then that person, surely,
would not have time to listen to what you're doing unless there is a
self-interest involved in what you present to them. There are many
limitations working with mortals on Urantia—particularly in organizations.
They take ownership of what they're doing—they have invented the wheel and
they don't need any spare tires. So, many innovative individuals would find
that they are socially rejected and their ideas alongside them. We are
hopeful though because we have attracted you. You are one individual who
meets many of those criteria and you have come forward. And so, this is not
impossible. There are capable, caring, compassionate, empathic people who
have the intellect and character to lead others forward in a direction that
is productive for humankind. Do you get my drift so far?



*Recca:* I do. I do understand what you're saying. I also happen to know
myself fairly well, and I am all of those things, but I'm also lazy and
unproductive. So, it's sort of a wash there. My experience has been that
dropping a word in a conversation or bringing two people together with
myself as a third party who are interested in accomplishing service is that
1:1 ratio that you're talking about. It is a 1:1 exchange of ideas,
uplifting of those ideas, and improving or contributing to the goal of
community. Yes, I understand what you're saying. Thank you.



*MM:* Do you have other questions Recca?



*Recca:* Not today. Thank you.



*Our agenda is about co-creativity*



*MM:* Thank you. This is Machiventa. This is addressed to this team and to
the audience. Do you see the direction we're going? Do you see the long
preparation we've made before we began this stepping out into the field of
pragmatism, of social evolution—how to create social evolution in the
various social institutions. We want you to be comfortable with that. We
are not cloistered. We do not have deacons, we do not have priests, and we
do not have organizations. We simply are working individually with each one
of you as you choose to work with us. This is the main emphasis of your
work and our work, and it is what Christ Michael has deemed necessary to
heal your world. That agenda is solely about co-creativity—to garner the
greatest wisdom of mortals through the process of evolution and the healing
of your world in many ways. And of course, this will take time. Thank you.



*Revealing the presence of the Celestials*



*Liz:* Good morning Machiventa. This is Liz. It's wonderful to be with you
today. I've had many distractions here. And so, I hope I'm not asking a
question that you have addressed, although I could be. Last time you said
you wanted to make it known eventually that you are here—that your team is
here. So, I've been thinking about that and how I might in my daily
discussions with people impart that information. For example, not long ago
I was with dear friends and we're all getting older, and they are older,
and we were talking about death. And he mentioned that he believed that
after death there was nothing, and he is happy with that frame of
reference—that when he dies, he will go into darkness and that will be the
end of him. And in the past, I have said things like, well, that's okay
because I have enough faith for both of us, but that hasn't always been
well received. So, I'm wondering if there is an opportunity in discussions
like this for me to reveal your presence or how I could reveal your
presence, or give them a different idea about their impending, eventual
deaths?



*Some will choose the nothingness*



*MM:* Thank you. Let me ponder that a bit with my team. [Short pause] In
the event of a person you are speaking with who believes that there is only
nothingness, then you could give them solace in the fact that this is the
“void” and that this is a desirable place where Buddhists always hoped to
go to in their meditations. However, there is the nothingness, and if a
person chooses the nothingness, then they have chosen the nothingness. They
will, however, be confronted in the morontial realm and the resurrection
halls with that ultimate existential decision of whether to continue on or
to refuse to do so. The refusal to do so means that they have assigned
themselves *to* the nothingness. The choice is theirs. It is an eternal,
moral choice. If you can grasp the profundity of that choice in that
statement, you have grasped then the great dilemma we have in working with
the decimal planets and particularly with rogue decimal planets such as
Urantia. Nothingness is not desirable as it means that there is a place
where they want to go where there is no God. And it is not an intellectual
decision that they're making because they have no awareness that God truly
does exist. Your efforts to convince a person in the mortal form that there
is a God, or there is a Machiventa, or there are other Melchizedeks, or
their guardian angels is a fruitless endeavor dear. You should just accept
them where they are and tell them that you love them as they are, where
they are, and please do not take a self-righteous position by saying “Oh I
will pray for your soul.” That is just so much BS as you know. People do
not accept that and have no regard for it, and, in fact, you will be
causing aspersions and disrespect to be cast upon yourself. Rather be of
great benefit to the individual silently, and in the great space of
humility [where] there is no ego, but there is simply love. Thank you.



*Liz:* Well, thank you for that. I appreciate it. These people have been
damaged by their religions, and I understand that they have forsaken all
ideas about God. But it hurts me because I love them so much. So, okay. I
understand how I should proceed in those situations, and I thank you for
your answer.



*MM:* You’re most welcome. As Jesus said, be of good cheer. Everyone wants
to see a smiling face. Thank you.



*Stéphane:* Good morning Machiventa, this is Stéphane. How are you today?



*MM:* I am very well, thank you for asking. I am in good health.



*Stéphane:* Good. Well, it is beautiful sunshine in the area where I live,
so fully living in the vibrations of life today. And it's getting better.



*MM:* Wonderful.



*A base set of expectations*



*Stéphane:* So, earlier in your statement you mentioned your expectations
for the group are quite broad. We can choose to work co-creatively amongst
each other in this workshop in October or individually. Even if we don't
choose to work in a co-creative sense, then this is fine too—you just want
to listen to the message and think about these things that is just as well.
So, what I want to ask you is what is your expectation for a best-case
scenario? I know we can now be doing as Jesus was doing, but what would be
your recommendation for a best-case scenario for each team member on this
call and those who listen to it or read it online? Will there be a base set
of expectations?



*MM:* Yes, and again, very broadly, our anticipation is that those
individuals would will to do God's will, and then demonstrate that in their
lives by their own personal decisions about their personal life and their
business relations. This is the beginning. The expectations perhaps are far
too low—that there would be expectations for your attendance, for your
thoughtfulness, for your knowledgeability of what we have provided you with
over the months and years. Our expectations could be great, but they are
very simple. One is to will to do God's will in your life as you're able to
and as needed and to continue your growth and learning and so on.



We would anticipate that if you are curious and you want to expand your
intelligence and your character and capability as a social creature in
humanity, that you would learn how to work with others. And working with
others can take many forms (as you know) from being a stern and archaic
dictator, supervisor, manager, and corporate head to being a benevolent
teacher who leads people to do the right thing by their own example and by
answering questions of the curious student. There are many ways to work
with others, and we are suggesting that, first of all, mortals on Urantia
need to work with each other. As you have seen for many families, families
do not make good working teams. I think it works better when there is very
little history between individuals and that they are able to *discover*
each other and to find those commonalities and find their common
motivations, common goals, and particularly a common means or technique for
working through problems and situations. We do not teach people hysteria.
We do not teach people chaos. I would not teach people how to be an
independent intellectual in a group setting working with others as then you
have out of 10 people on a team, you would have 10 separate teams, which is
fruitless and useless. So, we teach cooperation.



*The greatest challenges*



The greatest challenges that you have in the universe are to cooperate with
God within and to aspire to fulfill *Its* goals for you. And even Its
expectations are low, though those expectations are continual and are of
continual *influence* on you to make decisions correctly day by day.
Learning to work with others is essential to your ascendant career. You
will never in your ascendant career (outside of your mortal era) work alone
unless you have ascended to such dimensions that you are a Solitary
Messenger and so on. There are individuals who do that, but they're always
connected with eternity and with the central administration of the Grand
Universe.



So, the first chore is to be *willing* and *wanting* to find commonalities
with others. We would hope, eventually, that people would even *like*
others, and that they would want to get to know them better. So, this is
the process of friendship that you have heard about and read about in The
Urantia Book. Before you can love your neighbor, you must love yourself and
become friends with your neighbor. So, these are our low expectations which
would contribute to huge advancements in the evolution of your world and
particularly of your social structures. Thank you.



*Establishing commonalities*



*Stéphane:* Thank you. [About] establishing those commonalities with
people, there's a stronger sense every day to me that I need to establish
[commonality] with everyone I meet [regarding] the faith part of me,
because that is the basis for establishing commonalities and finding out
whether the person I am conversing with has a similar faith where we can at
least have a spiritual basis for further discussion. And that's not always
easy to do.



*MM:* This is Machiventa. You’re totally correct and that is not easy to
do. It is oftentimes best not to do it first off, but to give time for the
friendship to develop where trust can become evident, and eventually you
would be able to KNOW that the individual holds your esteem and your regard
as an intimate contact—that they will not violate you. And most of all
people want to know that they are safe, and that if you want to establish a
spiritual relationship with them, you must establish a safe emotional
relationship first, and a safe social relationship as well. Does this help?



*Stéphane:* Yes. Thank you. And as a group, how are we doing with the
progress in recent months?



*MM:* Are you referring to this PMG group?



*Stéphane:* Yes, absolutely.



*MM:* Yes. You're doing well. You are making wonderful strides in
developing your teamwork, and you find that you have more commonality than
you have differences, and those things are what you build upon. As you
know, this is not a clique, it is not an elitist group. Yes, it is a chosen
group for we have need of a working team who will work with us and who are
willing to bridge the quirks and idiosyncrasies of some of their fellow
team members to pursue the greater good of Christ Michael's work on
Urantia. Yes, there is great accomplishment [that] has been fulfilled yet
[there is] much more to do. As you know, the growth of a human mortal is
infinite and that when you accomplish one stage then you are given another
stage and you continue on. You may want to know as well that we have given
you several eras of soul growth, and one is to overcome the
sometimes-deadly traits that you learn as a child in your family, from
other people who express those, and that you then must develop a model for
your wholeness and your completion that is apart from that which is
helpful, constructive, and loving.



The next part is to then observe yourself in that process to overcome those
negative, destructive deficits in personality and in character. And that
you wish to become a greater individual by becoming more humble. These are
basic tasks, and once you have accomplished that, then you enter into the
realm of service—to the service of others. We have stated this numerous
times in years and decades past. From there you learned that there is a
greater good to be had as well as you ascend in your pre-morontial career
as a mortal. You begin to feel the presence wherever you go. You are
conscious of your being, you are conscious of your presence, and you are
conscious of your projections to others and that others are sensitive to
what you project whether you are conscious of that or not and whether *they*
are conscious of it or not. So, you move forward in unconsciousness to be
the greatest good you can as a living individual. As you know, the greatest
good a person can express are those actions and those thoughts which are
*un*conscious to them, but which are benevolent to others. In other words,
you're ascending in the scheme of love of others, including yourself. And
this is not a selfish, narcissistic love, but one which is most generous as
Jesus had expressed in his lifetime. Thank you for asking.



*Stéphane:* Thank you so much.



*JT:* That's all the questions we have for today. Machiventa, do you have a
closing?



*Call on your spiritual assistance to light your path*



*MM:* Yes, this is Machiventa. I have a brief closing for you. In many
ways, mortals on this world who are also believers are metaphorically
*spelunkers*—people who like to explore caves. Now it is one thing to
explore a cave at nighttime without a flashlight or in the daytime without
a flashlight deep in the bowels of your earth and doesn't that whole
scenario change tremendously when there is someone in front of you casting
a light upon the path to take. And the best path you can take is out of the
cave of darkness (this might remind you of some ancient philosopher) and
into the light. And so, you call upon your spiritual assistance, your
Thought Adjuster, your guardian, celestial teachers, and others to be of
assistance to be the light—that they cast the light upon the path of your
life plan, and they guide you through the vicissitudes of life and its
challenges so that you grow and survive. It is not only necessary to grow
but also to survive those challenges of growth. You are a desired
individual in the universe. You have much to contribute and we want to keep
you safe so that we and the universe can enjoy your presence in the
morontial realm, spiritual realm, and the eternal realm. And we thank you
for accepting the challenge. Good day.



*JT:* Thank you Machiventa and thank you Daniel.





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