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<DIV>Hello, Geoff and List</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I see that you agree more than you disagree with the idea of the
silence. I think I also see from your remarks that I am not completely
following and perhaps you could clarify by doing this:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Put your concern about soul growth and the silence in the form of a
question to a hypothetical teacher. Maybe I would understand it better if
I read the question.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I think I am inferring from your comments that the "silence" is not a
sufficient process to grow the soul. Is that correct?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Is not any growth (aside from physical) also soul growth? I thought
it was, but you may not think so in certain cases?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>As regard to the Urantia Book as the Teaching Mission text, I have indeed
heard the teachers say that this is what they are sticking to. But I have
also seen with my own eyes the transcripts from teachers that, while not new
revelation per the Urantia Book, so greatly expand a text concept that it
literally adds more dimension to what the book has said. And there IS new
revelation from time to time from the teachers in spite of their preference to
remain constrained by the limits of the text teachings. Here are two
examples from the top of my head:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>1) Time line developments beyond the cut off date of the written
text. Examples: Declaration of the end of the Lucifer Rebellion with an
approximate date; the announcement of a new Dispensation in 1995;
the arrival of Michael on our planet where he keeps a "condo" to stay over once
in a while; the use of a new name (Nebadonia) for our Mother Spirit;
Mother Spirits proclamations affecting Urantia; the announcement that Machiventa
Melchizedek has been raised from the Vicegerancy (representing Michael) as
Urantia's chief executing, to the full title of Planetary Prince.
All of these things (and more which I have not thought of I am sure), are
revelatory beyond the pages of the Urantia Book.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>2) There are some specifics which astounded me when I heard them that do go
beyond the concepts given in the Urantia Book. My favorite one was from
Ham (by my recollection), when he said Sonarington was where the Creator Sons
are personalized. That makes perfect sense to me, but I never would have
said such a thing out loud and the Urantia Book is silent about where Deity
created beings appear in real forms after the act of (I assume)
trinitization. I also point to various discussions that have to do with
the mansion worlds and the more personal views of their activities as given by
the teachers that was not included in the text. All of this is extremely
valuable to a person like me (and I assume to others as well), and while these
bits of important information are the exception, they come forward frequently
enough to show that the teachers are not rigidly kept to words on a page.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>We as witnesses (that includes you too, Geoff) to this program from which
the silence concept has been emphasized can be lured into an expectation that
what we are about to hear from the teachers is limited to what we are familiar
with. Your choice of the words, "advanced spiritual material", is
frequently there between the lines of the banter and instruction and answers in
the transcripts, but it can be easily missed unless one knows the concepts
involved quite well. What I am trying to say, to use another example to
get to it, is if to put a washing machine together takes 4 bolts, and the
Urantia Book mentions only two of them, we do not have all we need to understand
a finished washing machine. However, the teachers are prone to have the
finished concept in their minds already and in passing remarks on other
issues may actually tell us about the four bolts. It is about a level
of details that is supplied sometimes naturally by the teachers but which
we miss variously due to familiarity (or lack of) with the Urantia
Book, while we are busy looking for the more spectacular news
from them. I hope I am being clear about this.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>To be honest with you, you are not the first to point out that the teaching
mission lacks the glamour of being in the presence of fresh revelation and
therefore generally lacks the sense of news. I have seen so many who read
the Urantia Book be put off by the Teaching Mission because they do not "sound"
like the book. Well, without the book, there would be no teaching mission
in my opinion, but these activities are two very different parts of a jigsaw
puzzle. The two parts while related sound very different just by
themselves. In a way, The Urantia Book is the border of the jigsaw
puzzle setting limits on what the picture contains and the Teaching Mission
fills in the day-to-day details of the picture allowed. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Really new epochal information, should it be given again in similar
circumstances, would likely have an entirely different and secure pass through
meaning that such revelation would be through reflectivation (to use their
term) and Adjuster liaison and not involve the teachers themselves.
But practically speaking, it is more likely we will receive new epochal
revelation from our Magisterial Son (Monjoronson) when he wishes to make
himself available to the Urantia classroom. In fact, would you agree with
me that by his mere appearance in an official capacity that that
shall constitute new epochal revelation as well?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>However, it is said that we learn best when we can receive criticism about
what we accept as a way to do something. That something is the "silence",
and I personally do not believe it can be practiced by two people the same way,
so every person is a new approach even though most accept that it should lead to
a more centered personal life and accrue the spiritual benefits of Thought
Adjuster contact as one spiritually grows through the practice. I am not
quite sure I understand why having soul to supersoul (the Father) contact will
not lead to the growth you suggest that soul to soul
contact has. I really would like to hear your reasoning (via Padgett
if necessary) as to why this distinction should exist at all?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I am sorry for the length of this post, but I must say you did touch upon
some sensitive areas that need aired to understand them.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks</DIV>
<DIV>Ron Besser </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Geoff@new-birth.net href="mailto:Geoff@new-birth.net">Geoff New
Birth</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=tmtranscripts@circuit1.teamcircuits.com
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</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 23, 2002 8:10
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [tmtranscripts] Silence and
Experiential Results</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=818185100-24122002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>My
dear Ron,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=818185100-24122002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=818185100-24122002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Thank you for your thoughts. I do <STRONG>not</STRONG>, as you put it,
have a <STRONG>difficulty</STRONG> with Team's Stillness practice. I
thoroughly approve of it, and practice much the same myself. I have an
explanation, which is outside of theology, which is as
follows.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=818185100-24122002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=818185100-24122002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>By
opening yourself to soul to soul contact, you will grow your soul. The soul is
the only part of you that is infinite, or at least capable of interacting with
the infinite. Hence it is through the soul we learn to commune with Father, or
if you like, our TA. It is also possible to expand one's mind, and to connect
with creation, through the mind. But this does not allow us to grow, as it
were, our potential to be divine. And, without growing our soul, we are
frankly not going anywhere. And, so we have been told, is the destiny of the
majority of mortals. Even those who read the Ubook, I would suggest, if they
do not practice Stillness, or something equivalent. As an aside, in Love
Without End, Jesus describes yet another approach to "Stillness" So there may
be quite a few approaches. But all require DESIRE on the part of the mortal to
grow.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=818185100-24122002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=818185100-24122002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>So,
quite apart from the BENEFITS, that both you and Calvin (and I) have itemised,
this is to my mind absolutely critical for each of us who seek a divine path.
But, I have yet to see any such statement, or indeed any explanation from your
teachers. Padgett was certainly given a clear explanation, but I would have
liked to see your teachers do so. I think that they may in fact be constrained
by the UBook, because I don't think it says anything either, and I
realise that they find it hard to T/R material outside that reference. We have
a great deal of material about the difficulty in T/Ring advanced spiritual
material, and frankly, the only way you are going to get better material from
your teachers is by using T/R's who have practised stillness for many years.
Perhaps that is the case, I certainly do not want to suggest otherwise. But it
is very hard to receive high level spiritual material. Equally it may be that
your teachers are not meant to "add" to the UBook, merely encourage you, as
they are doing. So, that may be the cause. If they only encourage, and are not
permitted further revelation.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=818185100-24122002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=818185100-24122002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I am
very unwilling to put words in your minds. Which to some extent I have done
above.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=818185100-24122002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=818185100-24122002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Much
love,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=818185100-24122002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Geoff.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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</B>Aronolac<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 24, 2002 10:56
AM<BR><B>To:</B> tmtranscripts@circuit1.teamcircuits.com<BR><B>Subject:</B>
[tmtranscripts] Silence and Experiential Results<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>I originally posted this to tmtalk last night forgetting each list does
not have everybody on it. So here are my views again to TML.
Thanks Calvin. Ron</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Dear Geoff, Calvin, and List:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I understand some of the concept difficulty that Geoff may be
experiencing with the Team's stillness practice. Discussion between
the two of you are, however, just between theoretical concepts unless
one can access the other's experience and translate it to the
language each is comfortable with. I normally avoid discussing
real results with the stillness (or what ever else you may wish
to call it), but I will make an exception among friends. Thanks to the
stillness process I do experience an extraordinarily thorough Thought
Adjuster contact. There are nothing like results, albeit unexpected
ones, to provide a third view of the concept under consideration.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In 1985 nothing worked in the meditation department for me.
Either I just fell asleep or I lost satisfactory mind control.
Seeking relief from self doubt, I abandoned the mantras, the crystals, the
soothing music, the warm-up pictures, candles, meditation tapes, and so
on. The answer to the problem for me was to get rid of all the stage
props and to keep the purpose of Thought Adjuster contact in front of me
when I sat down, and that was once a day every day, to make the
contact.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Within six months I had mind control. Within one year I had deep
and restful contact with the spiritual parts of the mind. In three
years I had robust Thought Adjuster contact (1988). From 1988 to the
present the Adjuster has a constant tone "on" with audible give and
take between us and considerable amounts of semi-conscious work which I am
aware of but can not name its content.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The point I wish to make is if anyone wishes to have contact with the
Father as a constant presence and company, there is little else to do but
learn to do the work. Still the mind and deepen mind
capacity while the Father waits beside you as you labor to hear. It
must become a habit and it has to be all the time or the toning reached for
by you in the mind and the development once done in the spiritual
circuits fades. To revitalize it by failing to practice
requires some readjustment by making the connection again and
again.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The need for the stillness WILL END. It will no longer be
necessary when the Adjuster makes his appearance in the consciousness
centers with audible circuitry as a PERMANENT member of the
consciousness. It is a permanent CO-CONSCIOUSNESS. It is no
longer necessary to "listen", but now one needs only respond to the
constant flow of communication received in the consciousness. It is
thought to thought now.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There is a tremendous complexity in Adjuster contact. The Urantia
Book gives us a minimum contribution in telling us about
it. It is really new-consciousness territory and mostly beyond the
bounds of revelation to this date on the planet. I say to the list, if
it is the desire of your soul and your FIRST desire, you need to
follow through completely with the full physical and mental capacity at your
disposal to do so. Use ALL of your inside resources.
If you do not know what resources you have, find them in the
silence, and then apply them in real time. Half
measures result in half results as my many years before 1985 proved for
me time and again.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Teacher contact and channeling, from what I can get from my Adjuster
and from what I learn from all of you, comes with some prerequisites of
development, but once the circle development is met and the wish to receive
is communicated, the channel or the transmission-receiving process can
unfold. In other words the Teachers can establish contact with a knock
on their door, but the Adjuster is less likely to answer the door with just
a few knocks because of the need to reinforce the mind bridge to take the
weight of the Adjuster moving in and with other needs we are not fully
apprised of.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There is simply no substitute for what is being called the quiet time,
the silence, and the sincere wish behind their practice to be connected
up to the higher-self. I am walking proof that it works as advertised,
and while I do not know anything else involved with the process, I ask you
if it is not enough to just have that? Anything else less would not be
Adjuster translation to the consciousness (although you can transmit or
channel him on occasion), and anything more would result in translation
to the mansion worlds.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You who channel or transmit-receive must practice with a connection for
many reasons. It's tough to go with what words you receive mentally
and to say them out loud to a listening group or even the tape
recorder. You are allowed to do this in a conscious state (Alpha),
some in semi-conscious (Beta), and very few in Delta(complete overcontrol).
Then, when you are done, the connection evaporates until the next
nudge or some other appointed time arrives to reopen the
connection. There are time intervals in which the channeler and
transmitter-receiver are not consciously alerted to a spiritual presence and
word-activity connection. In these times you tend to forget about it
and go about your business as is necessary.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>When the Adjuster translates from the superconsciousness through the
work of the quiet-time, silence, communion, worship, or other internal
spiritual connectivity, such an action is at the discretion of the Thought
Adjuster. We may have the Supreme desire to have it, but it is the
Adjuster who has to make that decision, and he can only do it when the
mind has been prepared through practice to develop the strength to receive
this very powerful part of the self. At least that is what I have
gleaned from the Adjuster I have. This translation from the highest
spiritual levels of the mind to the material consciousness is final.
It will last until death or translation as I understand it from my
Adjuster. It does not leave you like your circuit connections to the
teachers or other channel information does. There are no intervals of
time without the Adjuster present even though he may be
(rarely) "quiet" sometimes. The Adjuster switch is never
flipped "off", but ever "on" upon completion of his status
change from the super-consciousness to the ego-area of awareness.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Those of you who have teachers or work in groups with teachers might
sometime ask them about this area of Adjuster translation to the ego-area of
awareness of consciousness, but such a development I believe must always be
preceded with the mind work done to strengthen the mind and to put into
place those robust connections that will serve as the bridge between the
pre-personal Adjuster and the material consciousness. This work is not
conscious when it begins, and in my case it was finished and then, to my
surprise, it suddenly was. I was not pre-warned. The Thought
Adjuster, I believe, uses that bridge to "cross over" to you and become the
increasingly personal Adjuster that we share partially now and fully after
fusion. At least it is my experience that the Adjuster is no longer
completely pre-personal with this development. Obviously he is not
totally personal either or I would not be writing you.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There is much to explore in your own practice of the stillness.
There is much to learn from your Adjuster that has lasting import for the
future that may be understood now and experienced in the material
moment.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Because language is a problem about the necessity of these practices it
is important, whatever the language used to describe it, to TEACH YOURSELF
about this relationship. Others can not do this for you. It is
not so important to teach yourself about process, but to teach
yourself to go for results and develop your own terms about
the meaning of what you have learned.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>My encouragement to you all!</DIV>
<DIV>Ron Besser</DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>