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<DIV><EM>For Bob...Final thoughts...New beginnings...</EM></DIV>
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<DIV><EM>Our birth is but a sleep and a forgetting:<BR>The Soul that rises with
us, our life's Star,<BR>Hath had elsewhere its setting,<BR>And cometh from
afar;<BR>Not in entire forgetfulness,<BR>And not in utter nakedness, <BR>But
trailing clouds of glory do we come<BR>From God, who is our home:</EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM></EM><BR><EM>What though the radiance which was once so bright <BR>Be
now for ever taken from my sight, <BR>Though nothing can bring back the hour
<BR>Of splendour in the grass, of glory in the flower; <BR>We will grieve not,
rather find <BR>Strength in what remains behind; </EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><BR>In the primal sympathy <BR>Which having been must ever be; <BR>In
the soothing thoughts that spring <BR>Out of human suffering; <BR>In the faith
that looks through death, <BR>In years that bring the philosophic mind.
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<DIV><EM>Thanks to the human heart by which we live, <BR>Thanks to its
tenderness, its joys, and fears, <BR>To me the meanest flower that blows can
give <BR>Thoughts that do often lie too deep for tears. </EM></DIV>
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<DIV><EM>Love to you</EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM>In His Grace</EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM>Christina</EM></DIV>
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id=_ctl0__ctl10__ctl0_lblPostAuthor>devine</SPAN> on <SPAN
id=_ctl0__ctl10__ctl0_lblPostDate>Thursday, November 03, 2005 9:25:33
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id=_ctl0__ctl10__ctl0_lblPostTitle>Final thoughts / Goodbye</SPAN>
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style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT face=Arial size=2>One does not have to be a
listop to point out the truth or to ask questions. Is this actually about
power? Perhaps me challenging perceived authority? Remember that the
listops serve the list, not the other way around. <BR><BR>And yet I do
have site administrator privileges, along with Russ, who gave them to me a
while ago, which allowed us the ability to investigate allegations, and
find a little more truth. And when I reported it to the listops on one
list of a larger overall site, I get chastised and the truth found out
gets ignored. <BR><BR>Steffani when you tell me I'm not a listop, you are
quite correct. Now look in the mirror and say that again. Ask yourself why
you need to respond to every single post that makes any reference to the
issue of the Rob Reno situation with a defense. <BR><BR>What I realized
this morning, is that tml, as a living room, is doomed to fail. If just
being together, hanging out, and chatting is the point, at some point when
we get bored or have nothing to say, we will begin to point out what we
don't like about someone else, and their ideas and then likewise and so
on. <BR><BR>The lists that are functional, from what I see, are those
where it is the goals, rather than the beliefs which are the purpose.
<BR><BR>When Jesus held the remembrance supper he said that he didn't call
people together to just be together, but to actually do something. And I
think therein lies the challenge and part of the problem. <BR><BR>The
other problem is fear. What someone will take from us that we hold dear or
diminish in us. When this is the motivation for our actions, the outcome
can never be all that enlightened. <BR><BR>My fear has been that some here
would take the last vestiges of dignity from this list by making decisions
for it without the facts and to thereby remove people whom they fear...
much like the country did after 9/11. <BR><BR>John Stephan and Rob Reno
have been removed, without any warning privately from what I understand.
The fear expressed was that they would corrupt us all and divide us. We've
done a pretty good job of that ourselves with no help from them now,
haven't we? <BR><BR>The charge was that they were the same person, and
that they were spreading deceit, though one couldn't point to a particular
post and say this was the problem, nor could one show anyone the "smoking
gun" of evidence. <BR><BR>The others (motajohn, peace.julia, roberta reno)
were already signed off the list, from what I've been told, but they
wouldn't be allowed back on. And now we're screening everyone that comes
in to make sure they're okay. <BR><BR>My concern has been with a process
that isn't in alignment with the list guidelines. It's not because I don't
love Steffani or Oliver or others who were involved, nor is it because I
like Rob Reno. I very much do love these people, and probably wouldn't
have felt so strong about trying to correct it off the list first, if I
didn't feel this way about them. My feeling is that people have
overstepped their authority on this and elevated assumption to fact and
ignored facts in favor of assumptions. <BR><BR>Perhaps even metaphorically
acting out of a desire to "not let the smoking gun come in the form of a
mushroom cloud." A desire to protect, but nonetheless coming out of fear
and not centered in the facts. <BR><BR>To the extent that I acted out of
fear in response to my perceptions, I apologize. <BR><BR>And with that, I
say goodbye, for this list no longer serves for me what I joined it to do.
I hope to work with various numbers of you in areas and places where we
can work on goals and purposes together, rather than centering around
beliefs. <BR><BR>Much love to you,
<BR>Bob</FONT></SPAN></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></EM></DIV></DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML>