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<P class=MsoFooter
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: .5in">Evergreen/Conifer Co-Creative
Design Team, #22</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Evergreen, Colorado</P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Celestial teacher:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><B>Sondjah Melchizedek</B></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Topics:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Becoming “finders”</P>
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</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Final analysis —
sustainability of the individual</P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">TR:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Daniel Raphael</P>
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<H1 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3>June 23, 2008</FONT></H1>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B>SONDJAH</B>:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Good evening, this is Sondjah.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank your for your presence here, and
it is a pleasure to be with you.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Let us begin by reviewing the minutes, the conversations that you had
last week after our session, when I spoke with you.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>These are vital and these are
developmental, which we want to build upon.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You are beginning to see the co-creative
interweaving that is going on between us.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>You have a thought, we pick it up, we send it back, we talk about it with
you, you converse about it among yourselves, and so it develops until time when
there are options, then you make a choice and then you take action.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">We are very intrigued with your
conversations about the team that you have here, that perhaps you have defined
yourselves too closely, too tightly.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>You have made the box of your existence and experience and production too
tight.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Perhaps it should be looser,
should be such that you can, rather than designing sustainable social
institutions that you may perhaps become “finders” of those documents, which
already report those sustainable institutions.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We would build upon that and suggest to
you that perhaps you as a team might solicit to the world, those sustainable
designs for families, education, healthcare, for all the other social
institutions that support a civilization, and that you become a clearing house
for reviewing these documents, to see if they are consistent with the
sustainability chart, that these documents represent criteria of certain social
institutions.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You would examine
them much as a social anthropologist looking for the expectations, the beliefs,
and then to see if they point to values.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">This is the final analysis that
these documents must pass, and that is that they must contribute to the
sustainability of the individual.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>You have been continually, each session, speaking about that this work
always points back to the individual, to the support of the individual to become
a sustainable member of a sustainable society and sustainable civilization, that
this individual supports that civilization; and the civilization and its social
institutions support and assist the individual to fulfill themselves.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In other words, the social institutions
become the carriers for the means for the individual to fulfill his or her
life.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is the carrier of
equality, and it is the carrier of growth for individuals.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is the analysis that is necessary
for the review of all documents.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We
suggest that you begin with Patrick’s material.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>He is a close member of this team; he
has been working apart on this material for years; it is being tested, it is
tried and now we will see if it is true.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>It would make a perfect opportunity to analyze this, as his presence here
will assist you to review its contents for internal consistency.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It must feed the individual in the
end.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Now I will take you apart from
that, as his work is very whole; it has integrity; it is integral.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Now let us look to some of your
social institutions in your society, your culture.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If you look towards the government, if
you look towards the courts, if you look towards criminal corrections and
healthcare and education, you will find that there are many disparities internal
to those organizations.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>A lot of
the functions internal to them are supportive for the benefit of the
institutions, rather than for the individual.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We acknowledge that there is a necessity
for that, sufficient internal safeguards to protect the integrity of the service
delivery of the social institution.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>This is necessary for its continuity and its contribution to society on
an ongoing basis.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It also must be
amenable, flexible, and adaptable to the changing needs of individuals and of
your culture.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">You have seen in this society
over the last 200 years, where the average education has gone from
semi-illiterate to well above the high school level for most people.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This has had a tremendous influence in
your society, but many of your social institutions do not reflect this
education, this maturity.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Educated
people wish to take on more responsibility to participate more directly in the
affairs that affect them, whether it is in healthcare, education or in their own
governance.</P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">What we have set out for you may
seem again to be a large task, yet it is a beginning.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Every large idea begins with a small
idea.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You may look at some of the
large institutions and social organizations and businesses, such as Google—I
understand is quite huge.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Where did
it begin?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It began by two
individuals thinking about a new way of using the Internet and operating
systems.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>So you can draw an
analysis/analogy with your own group here:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>You are capable, intelligent, educated, and inspired—in the spiritual
sense—individuals, who care and have an altruistic concern for your society and
for the next generations that are coming into this world.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Your work is very important to the
future.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We have said this many
times; we want you to thoroughly understand that you are the beginning of the
“new technology in a garage,” though this is hardly a garage.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>[In reference to how Hewlett-Packard
began.]<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We hope you appreciate
this.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">I will now step aside for
questions, as there are many topics for you to cover, and this one would like to
facilitate you in discussing and digesting the topics, which have rumbled around
between you in the off minutes, outside of the TR session. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If this is unclear or ambiguous in any
way, please voice your concerns and I will clarify for you.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Are there any general questions?</P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B>Susan:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, Sondjah, this is Susan.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I do have a question:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>On the higher spiritual realm, is there
always an agreement about how something is facilitated?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Where we are right now, I know we are
all individuals as well, [working] on our spiritual areas, and there are
disagreements here.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I’m not sure
how well we come together on the same page.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Do you come together on the same page
when you are confronted with things where you are, in discussions?</P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B>SONDJAH:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>No, we do not come to agreement
always.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There are sometimes quite
varied differences among us.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We
have usually the same interests, but our positions are different, very similarly
to your own groups and position taking in your own culture.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We, too, have need of facilitators and
there are those who are mediators and this is their eternal role, to act in
mediation for groups who have differences, so that each side—and there may be
many sides within a discussion—can appreciate and understand the other side that
is discussing with them.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You will
have these differences continually among you, but if you can look towards the
light and towards the end, you will find a commonality and in many times you
must swallow your pride and your position, to move forward.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Know eventually that if your position is
true, it will come to the forefront, that it will bubble to the top and it will
be appreciated, given examination and incorporated into the operating
process.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Does this help?</P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B>Susan:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It did.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>At least my ego certainly did need help
on that.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you.</P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B>SONDJAH:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Other questions?</P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B>Michael:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I have a question; this is Michael.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>My sense of the challenge that we’ve had
in making progress, in a documentable way, on both the task that we took on to
define a definable married relationship after the kids left the nest, which we
recall was kind of a test case of design methodology.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And then we moved into this topic, which
is designing sustainable education for youth.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It seems to me that maybe the difficulty
in moving forward is that we are starting at perhaps a very logical beginning,
which is with the values, and then we start to look at supporting beliefs of
those values.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Then the notion is to
look at the expectations of what the outcomes would be if those beliefs and
values were accomplished, and then work on criteria for knowing if we have
achieved those.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Is it not possible that we would
make more progress, if we started more in the middle, that is with the
expectations?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>For example, tying us
back to Patrick’s work, if one of the expectations is to create a happy child,
then we can easily relate that to the values of life, equality, growth, in an
unending list of beliefs associated with that, and we could clearly construct a
way, I am sure, to come up with criteria to determine if a program or
method—Patrick’s or anybody else’s—which is aimed at developing, sustaining and
building happiness, is really working.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>So we would be able to cover them all, but we would start in a different
spot.</P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B>SONDJAH:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is a very good approach.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There is no “one right way to do
this.”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You will find that when you
begin with beliefs or expectations, you will find that it is more immediate to
your understanding and to your own experience.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Surely, developing happy children is one
expectation, as is developing them to be autonomous and self-sufficient, which
is a form of self-sustainability of the individual.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You will find, as you suggest, that you
will begin very soon to find the universals of beliefs and expectations, that
where you have three beginning rudimentary values, which are fundamental, you
have more beliefs and then expectations, and that soon you will begin to find
that the end of all education has a certain number of expectations, and that
these are refined for accountants, for instance, and they are refined for
veterinarians and for medical doctors, and so on.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Your point is well taken, and we
encourage you to explore this.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>(Thank you.)</P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">There is one more question, is
there not?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(Pause.)<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Are you willing to proceed now?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(Yes.)<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Then I so withdraw and ask you to move
forward, and I would be glad to assist you at whatever time or whatever place,
concerning whatever issues are germane to this topic during your
discussions.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you.</P>
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