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<P><FONT size=4>Light Line </FONT></P></B>
<P><FONT size=4>April 2, 2002</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Gerdean</FONT></B><FONT size=4> [T/R]: This is Gerdean. I have a
checklist of things I want to do -- to get comfortable and get ready for this
thing. One thing is to get myself into a state of prayer. I want to thank Kelly
and Tom for their technical assistance and Manu for setting up this system and
getting it rolling. Even though we remain apart physically, we can convene in
this architectural field that we've been given. (Pause) Also, I want to thank
Michael for everything we've been given, every opportunity, every challenge
(pause) and the Father, of course, for overseeing it all. (Pause) I feel the
circuits enclosing around me now so I'll be quiet and see what happens, along
with you.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>TOMAS: </FONT></B><FONT size=4>Greetings! I am Tomas, your
trusty servant and friend, here to meet and greet with you once more in the
press forward into the greater dimensions of consciousness. I greet you along
with a host of other heavenly helpers who also take a great interest in your
doings and our occasions to join in this fashion. We embrace you in the spirit
as friends and teachers, as elder brothers, and welcome your presence, your
attendance, and your questions. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>I thought perhaps this evening I would speak to you a bit about
what you call "channel." There is great controversy around the word channel --
channeler, channeling -- and, as usual, it is just a word. The emotional
connotations of words affect your sociology and I, as an original sociologist --
on my world I was a sociologist, or cultural anthropologist -- how people get
along, how they engage with one another is of endless fascination for me. And
so, language is a very important factor in how people get along and on your
world the problem of semantics makes your work and ours much more difficult than
is necessary were you to have a greater appreciation for the word itself,
without the prejudicial impact of what your limited understanding of that word
might mean. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>There is a reference, for example, in Rodan of Alexandria where
he, Rodan, is talking about finances and money. I know economics is of great and
compelling interest to you these days, and wealth or lack thereof has the
attention of many. And Rodan says that wealth tends to run in certain "well
organized channels" and so here we have a definition of channels as an avenue
through which something travels. A highway can be considered a channel; a
tunnel, of course; and an individual. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>Each of you can be considered a channel, considering you open
your mouth and words come out, attitudes are reflected in your every utterance,
and so everyone is a channel of their own voice, their own thoughts, their own
expressions. There is nothing prejudicial about that, nothing negative, nothing
positive; it's simply a fact.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>When and as you are called a channel, or you refer to others as
a channel in the context as that word is used today, stemming from its popular
understanding in the New Age community, aligned with your understanding of
transmitting/receiving, when that word channel or channeler or channeling comes
up in a derogatory fashion -- as it will and as it does -- remind yourself of
the prejudicial impact that is behind the word usage and recognize that the full
range of comprehension of that word is not being utilized. It is thus given out
of fear and not understanding. If there were understanding, it would not have
that negative context that you feel when you are subject to curses or
vindictives. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>If money is able to flow through certain well-organized channels
in the material world, it would stand to reason that wealth can also be
channeled through well organized mental channels. Students certainly know this
to be true; when they are writing a theme paper, it does not behoove them to
daydream or let their mind wander too far afield of the topic underway lest
their own mind betray them and they become scattered. And so, mental wealth is
also found in well-organized channels. To be able to focus on something and give
it its best shot is allowing it to operate in a well-organized channel.
</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>There is really nothing negative about the word channel or
channeling, nor is there really anything negative about people who perceive
themselves to be channeling entities, personalities or beings from another realm
because anyone who listens with ears to hear, will be able to tell within a very
short time whether they are listening to truth, beauty and goodness or whether
they are listening to someone's agenda. And in truth, you are going to get a
little bit of both, no matter what.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>As you ascend in the circles and as you are assisted by the
adjutant mind spirits, you develop from a base, dense, gross, self-absorbed,
egoistic, pleasure-seeking individual into a thoughtful, conscientious,
gracious, inquiring, gregarious, humble, philosophic human being, child of God,
and that full range exists within every human potential, every human being.
Until fusion occurs -- literally -- there will be degrees of truth, beauty and
goodness as well as self-seeking agendas. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>Try to avoid distrust and suspicion. Try to take matters as if
they were well intended. Save yourself a lot of grief giving them more
importance than they require and more credibility than they need. Give yourself
credit for having some discernment. Give the Spirit of Truth a doff of your hat
for being able to counsel you accordingly.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>I visit this subject upon you because so many of you are engaged
in circumstances that become bogged down as a result of the use of language
the use and the misuse of language. It is not a new habit for humankind to
insult their fellows or praise their fellows by the emotional impact of the
words they choose to use. When the words themselves don't convey what they want
to convey, their attitude will carry the message across. I would ask that you,
as a part of this babble, convey the highest and best good you can for all
concerned. Try not to become embroiled in the emotionality of words that are
hurled in anger or in vindication of your position or their position, as if they
were weapons. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>Try to rise above the fray, even though I understand you love
the mental exercise. You will be far more effective if and when you can see what
is really being conveyed and address the spiritual need and not linger over the
emotional distraction. Emotions, remember, are a side effect of how you think,
and so when you see an emotion coming at you or when you respond emotionally,
try to understand what's happening to your mental state or their mental state.
It is how they think, how you think, that gives rise to the emotions that
complicate your lives and often hurl you downhill. While I know everyone has the
capacity to get up and brush themselves off and push again up the hill,
eventually maturity will see to it that you fall down less often, to save that
energy for better use as you anticipate the work awaiting you further up toward
the summit. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>This same lesson can be used for so many words -- so many words
that are so popular in your culture today: cult is another word, which is just
the base word for culture and the root word for cultivate. Wonderful words. But
the negative connotation that they bring because of someone's emotional
impression has clouded a perfectly normal evolutionary development, clouding it
and obstructing progress. But this is nothing new. It goes on. The good news is
we are here to encourage you to be able to step up and out and away from it so
that you can get on with the good news and the abundant life and the work that
you have been called to do in kingdom-building. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>I will be getting the reputation of an English teacher if I am
not careful here, but I have finished my formal lesson for the evening and
indeed look forward to other discourse. I heard a question earlier about Athena,
our associate celestial artisan. I put in a message to her when I began my
remarks and she is here to respond personally. I will therefore move over for
Athena to talk a bit about how she goes about doing her work. One moment,
please.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>ATHENA:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> Good evening. I am Athena, a
celestial artisan at your service. May I know who it was who inquired about my
kind? Who was it who asked about me?</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Karo: </FONT></B><FONT size=4>Athena, hello! This is
Karo.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>ATHENA:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> Ah, yes. Karo. Hello.
</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Karo:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> I'm good. How are you doing
today?</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>ATHENA:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> I am well. I am in good
company.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Karo:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> Oh, thank you! That's great.
That's wonderful. We are also. We are in good company as well. It's just that
most of us do not fully sense the great company around us all the
time.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>ATHENA:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> That will come.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Karo: </FONT></B><FONT size=4>Good. That will be nice. That will
be nice. I wanted to know what group of celestial artisans you are part of
because the Urantia Book talks about seven different groups -- you have the
celestial musicians, the divine builders, the thought records, and such. We had
a meeting this week in our study group here in Maryland and we studied Paper 44,
the Celestial Artisans, and we talked about it. We had a great time, and so
</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>ATHENA:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> Well, the artisans are a very
great bunch! We are very creative. Yes, there are the musicians and the
performers and the painters and those who put on the pageants. There are more
kinds and different ways of working than elucidated in the text. There are, as
you say, many sub-sections and I am hard pressed to state what category I am
part of because I am involved in what you might call "an ad hoc committee" to
work with certain mortals toward advancing planetary evolution. I am working
with the angels of the future. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>I have companions, however, also here with the Urantia project,
who are under the aegis of the celestial musicians, who are into song-writing,
who may be working with the angels of enlightenment. There is a great deal of
cross-pollination, cross-culturation in the finite realms. While there are, yes,
certain fundamentals, there are many variations. It is not as cut-and-dried as
you might like it. But once you begin to experience the flexibility of celestial
design you will appreciate its lack of regimentation. You might consider it a
part of setting the captives free. Our work is not standardized.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>There are, in fact, few artisans who are permitted to work with
mortals. At one time it was not allowed at all, but as you advance and as some
of you, at least, aspire to do great works on behalf of deity, you are assisted
to the extent your mind is amenable to our guidance. We can help you through the
angels we serve and the midwayers who serve them, the mechanics of the mind
being such that it is able to pick up nuances from those of us heavenly helpers
who would access you to teach you and to utilize you in merciful ministry and
loving service. Many seraphim access your mind. And while we are not seraphim,
we are able to work with them so that you can be accessed, and this has been our
entr้e, our opening through which, if you will, the channel of creativity can
flow. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>My assignment with Gerdean, which put us in a position of
becoming close co-workers, was the creation of the civilization she calls the
Zooids. It is a representation of advanced society. It is not the ultimate
utopian picture of light and life that some might prefer, or that will
eventually transpire, but it is forward, progressive, thought-provoking,
contemporary, and leads into the future way of life which will be forthcoming as
sure as night follows day. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>Already it is apparent that many of the things that we addressed
are coming to pass, and so my work was to that extent effective, for not only
did it work its way into her book and into her consciousness, it spilled out
naturally into the distribution centers, the well-organized channels of energy
and direction from the seraphim and midwayers who worked with us on the project
so as to feed and stimulate those in our environment and on the planet that were
susceptible and open to these kinds of changes and advancements. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>Most of them were and are simple evolutionary steps, but as they
are set out, as they are set down on paper, as they are snatched from the ethers
of the mind and the imagination and put on paper, they are put to work to cement
ideas for tomorrow that can be worked on today, such things as alternate energy
sources, solar energy sources that will provide fuel for vehicles. That's my
idea, you see, that was written into the script, and so here it is coming to
pass. It would have probably come to pass anyway, yes; I have faith in the
evolution of the mortal races. But since this planet seemed to need a little
cultivation, it was my pleasure to help bring some of these concepts into
fruition, into print, and into the consciousness of those interested. And so we
have worked for the future. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>I would probably be categorized as one Thought Recorder because
I have recorded thoughts; I have recorded your thoughts. And, in many cases,
recorded them again after your Adjuster has worked them over. And the difference
between how it was at first and how it was later is a noteworthy
before-and-after shot. Giving your mind to your Adjuster will always result in a
stimulation of your mental processes. And while you may experience some conflict
-- since it is always difficult to give up your own ideas and exchange them for
something better, or something different -- if you are courageous enough to
experiment with that process and discover how the Adjuster works in your mind,
you can develop great faith -- not only in the Adjuster but in yourself -- and
this contributes to the process of your ultimate fusion, as well as the success
and effectiveness of your teaching. Do you have any questions?</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Karo:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> Thank you so much for your
comments. Many thoughts come to mind, listening to you, and for the sake of
time, I will just limit my comments to one or two things. Interesting to note,
you talked about solar energy advancement in science and technology. Personally
I am passionate about the growth and development of science and technology in
Third World emerging economy and I work in that area. I have some videos I put
on You Tube and I am trying to promote science and technologies in Third World
emerging economy. So I would really appreciate
I guess I would need a little
help from people like you! </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>And also you talked about the book that Gerdean wrote, and the
thought came to my mind, from what you said so far, it's like -- let's assume
500 people read the book, only 500 people. However, because 500 people read the
book, it's going to carry on thought processes and actions so that in the long
run, in the process of five years, because of the book, a million people can be
impacted. So I'm trying to figure out what you said. Is there also a dimension
of Gerdean contributing to the human collective consciousness simply by writing,
simply by allowing her creative juices to flow, to write?</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>ATHENA:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> Absolutely.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Karo: </FONT></B><FONT size=4>Okay.<B> </B>So let's say somebody
picks up a pen and writes a book. That in and of itself contributes to the
collective consciousness? Even before the book is put on the
market.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>ATHENA:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> Yes, and do you know why that
is? It is because thoughts have power. Even those people who do not read the
book, or talk about it, if they think the thought, it is contributory to that
collective consciousness about that subject. It is as if no thought is wasted.
The Supreme will grasp what it needs and nothing goes to waste, and so if -- as
your example is -- if 500 people read the book and they tell other people, then
those people will be informed. It is not even necessary that they tell other
people, although that is optimal. That they <I>think about it</I> is a huge
advancement to the human condition. Just thinking about it puts it into the
ethers and it's as if thoughts have character. You can stand next to someone who
is peeing in the bushes and not say a word but look at them in such a way as to
convey to them that they are polluting the bush. You see what I am
saying?</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Karo: </FONT></B><FONT size=4>Yes.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>ATHENA:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> And so you don't have to say
anything. All you have to do is look around and your own consciousness speaks
loudly. What this is, is the "fruits of the spirit." The fruits of the spirit
are projecting reality based on how you perceive reality, and if your reality is
spirit-born, spirit-focused, that is the value you will be emitting, expressing,
projecting. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>And speaking of well-organized channels and Third World
countries, if some Third World country were to begin to create battery packs
that enabled machinery to run by way of the sunshine, it could well easily slide
into one of those well organized channels of wealth, since it is something that
everybody needs and the planet certainly would appreciate some assistance from
the current paradigm. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>It's like when you spend too much time on your knees, you mangle
the cartilage in your knees. And you will need that cartilage for the rest of
your life! Just as your planet will need some of its oil for the rest of its
life, and doesn't need to be brought to its knees too often lest it become
crippled and arthritic before its time.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>I have given myself permission to use such a metaphor, such an
allegory, because I am a celestial artisan and I have the imagination to do
that. I regret if my creative imagination loses some of you but I really think
you have more going for you than you think you do. (Pause) I intended that as a
compliment. </FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Karo: </FONT></B><FONT size=4>Well, thank you. I want to leave
time for other participants who might have comments or questions, but I wanted
for you to expand on that word 'ethers' for me, please. Thank you.
</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>ATHENA: </FONT></B><FONT size=4>Yes, the 'ethers' is the
surrounding atmosphere, the energy field into which your mind projects the
limits of your capacities to influence the environment in which you live. It is
not strictly physical; it is 'etheric' as well. [Ed. - Ethereal] This is what I
mean by the ethers -- the 'etheric' environment, and not just the literal
atmosphere. </FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Karo:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> Okay. Thank you
much.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>ATHENA:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> Thank you for your questions. I
have enjoyed our tete-a-tete. I will take a back seat and let Tomas resume his
role as host. If there are further questions for me, however, I will be
available. One moment.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>TOMAS:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> Tomas your teacher again at the
podium. I enjoyed hearing from Athena. I am glad that she has no hesitation to
talk about her work, even her work with Gerdean, from which I am constrained.
Are there questions about other matters besides my little lecture and Athena's
contribution? I am interested in your soul growth and your concerns and so I
don't want to just hog the whole show. It's your show. We are here to serve you.
</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Student:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> I have one comment and one
question. Not really about soul growth, but a curiosity question. My comment is,
when Athena was talking about having our thoughts, isn't that consistent with
what Michael said about our thoughts, that our loving thoughts would affect the
people around us and our surroundings?</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>TOMAS:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> Yes, it is. That is certainly the
foundation of it all. That is the one we would like you to know the best. God is
love, love is the desire to serve others, and if you access it, seek to project
it, then the atmosphere is steeped in love vibrations, the ethers are saturated,
the atmosphere is saturated, and it is much easier then for hostilities to
subside and for confusion to evaporate, easier for harmony to prevail --
</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Student:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> Okay, one more question and
then my curiosity question. How come it appears when we ask for things or think
about things like beauty, and positive, they don't manifest as fast as when we
have negative thoughts. It is because we have spent so many years thinking
negative thoughts that they appear to manifest quicker? [Silence] Are you there?
</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Karo: </FONT></B><FONT size=4>Gerdean sometimes gets knocked off
the line. I heard a sound.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Student:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> I'll hold on. We'll hold on and
see what happens.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Gerdean:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> I'm back. I don't know what
happened. My phone went dead. </FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>TOMAS: </FONT></B><FONT size=4>-- and they may come without
warning. And so if your underlying platform is founded on love, these secondary
situations can be dealt with more effectively but perhaps it will need to be
manifested in a different way than standing back prayerfully. It may require
getting in the trenches, rolling up your sleeves, and doing the work that is
required. That does not mean love is not involved, but work is also involved.
Effort is involved --intelligent effort.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>I'm thinking of my friend Marty who recently had to assist the
birth of a baby goat. If he did not love the goat he would not have been able to
do what he had to do to see to it that the kid was born, but it was not as if he
didn't have a moment of angst about the circumstances. And so it is that, as you
travel through life, if your fundamental base of reality is one of love --
divine love -- you will prevail, but if you also participate, you may be more
effective. I say this not to imply that loving is not an action in itself, for
we know that it is, but some think that simply loving is all that's necessary.
Loving is the first step. </FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Marty: </FONT></B><FONT size=4>Teacher Tomas, this is Marty
speaking. (Yes) I have a question. I don't know if there is time to handle this
one, but I have been thinking about the gift we have, which are the Thought
Adjusters, that are gifts from the Father that have been given to us to live
with us. And it also occurs to me that we are also given fragments of
personality by the Father. And it occurs to me that the personality is a
personal fragment and the Thought Adjuster is a pre-personal fragment, and these
two divine entities come to indwell a human animal being born here and give us,
as the animals, the adjutants and free will. But these divine entities, they
guide us, and they energize our lives with their love of us, and it occurred to
me that each of us then is a bestowal in the flesh of the Father, just as
Michael was bestowed as Jesus. And I just wonder if you want to speak to
that.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>TOMAS:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> I am concerned about your
understanding of personality. You speak of personality as if it were something
separate from you when it <I>is</I> you. It is not something that indwells you;
it <I>is</I> you. The Adjuster indwells you. You reference the fact that
personality comes from the Father. Yes. It is not, however, a fragment of his;
it is yours.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Marty: </FONT></B><FONT size=4>Okay then, just let me ask. The
animals that we have here
do they have personalities?</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>TOMAS:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> Actually they do. They are very
limited, but they do. They have pattern, personality pattern, more accurately,
and character --or characteristics -- which is what makes them interesting or
endearing or fearsome. They don't, however, have the kind of personality that
will extend into the higher adjutants. They know about the spirit of intuition;
they have instincts; they have their survival instincts, as you do, and their
procreation urges and their territorial urges give witness to their spirit of
understanding of their place in the animal kingdom. They have courage to get
their needs met, and fight their battles, and tend their young. They are
gregarious when necessary; they may be in a school of fish or a herd of buffalo.
They speak to each other through their barking or their chirping. And they have
affection and they have certain knowledge, but they do not extend into worship
or wisdom, and so their personality -- if we can call it personality -- is
sufficiently limited as to not really want to confuse it with the human
personality which is what the Thought Adjuster seeks to acquire, so that it can
have expression.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Marty:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> It's extremely difficult for me
to understand what personality is. (Yes.) I think of it as a divine thing. It's
like God is personality and his personality is manifested throughout creation
individually and uniquely by each of us here.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>TOMAS:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> Yes, it's true. He is the father
of personality therefore every personality is his offspring and we would not
exist without the personality that we got from the Father, this is certainly
true, but just as the Father sires his children, they are there in their own
right and they can, through their choices, either survive or destroy themselves
</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Marty:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> And the personality is the entity
of choice?</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>TOMAS:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> The will is the entity of choice.
The will is not the personality.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Marty: </FONT></B><FONT size=4>Okay. Then what is the
relationship between the personality and the will?</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>TOMAS:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> I'm not sure I can answer
that.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Marty: </FONT></B><FONT size=4>Don't worry about it. I'll think
it over and you can do the same.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>TOMAS:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> I will discuss it with my
peers.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Marty:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> I tell you why I asked this
question. We had been discussing "you had made the decision to be here during
this time of planetary crisis -- during Correcting Time"-- and it occurred to me
that the Father, being omnipotent and eternal and in control of everything,
would be sending his Thought Adjuster in his personality to live as Marty G and
he knows what kind of destiny I will have here, and that's what I was thinking
about.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>TOMAS:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> Well, look at the example of
Jesus of Nazareth. His adjuster knew he was coming here and would be incarnated
as a mortal of the realm, but Jesus, himself, did not have any part in his own
materialization. He did not know in advance that he was coming here; he did not
choose his parents. He came to certain awarenesses as he grew up, more
specifically his divine origin, his Adjuster, and you do the same. As you grow
up you become aware of your divine origin--</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Marty:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> And destiny.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>TOMAS:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> -- and destiny. But you didn't
know it before you got here.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Marty: </FONT></B><FONT size=4>Right.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>TOMAS: </FONT></B><FONT size=4>That's why it was a gift.
</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Marty: </FONT></B><FONT size=4>I understand that. That's the
question that I'm having. Father, as the origin of our destiny.<B> </B>That's
why I asked. That's why I'm having a hard time</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>TOMAS:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> By that time, it is your Thought
Adjuster that is advising you. You are working with your Adjuster; you are
becoming one.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Marty: </FONT></B><FONT size=4>Right.<B> </B>Thank you, Teacher
Tomas. I appreciate what you said about the goat. I just wanted to say that
"angst" doesn't fully get to it, what happened that night.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Karo: </FONT></B><FONT size=4>We are not pre-existent,
right?</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>TOMAS:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> Right. We who are created in the
worlds of time and space begin in the worlds of time and space. That's the point
of the creatures of time and space. That's the point of origin. Except the
Spirit originates in Paradise and returns to Paradise. It returns to Paradise
with the personality of the creature from time and space.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Karo: </FONT></B><FONT size=4>If I think I understand Marty's
question, I think he was talking about that we had been somewhere before and we
decided to come here, to planet Earth. I think he was trying to ask a question
along those lines.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>TOMAS:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> Yes and the Adjuster does choose
to come here. </FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Karo:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> But we humans decide to come, as
if we come from somewhere else, from that planet or wherever, we decided to come
to planet earth. </FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>TOMAS:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> Yes, he is asking that and I am
saying that is not the case.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Marty:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> That was not my question, at all.
I don't think that we pre-existed. But I was thinking that the personality that
we are originates in Paradise and returns to Paradise. </FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>TOMAS:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> And that is your Adjuster, and
that is you having merged with your Adjuster. It has succeeded in securing your
personality because you have cooperated with it, and thus together you return as
one, not to Divinington but to Ascendington, which is now your new address in
Paradise, so
it's a long process.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Karo:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> Thank you, Marty, and thank you,
Tomas.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>TOMAS:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> Thank you all. It has been a very
stimulating evening and I'm glad we had this opportunity to engage one another
in these matters that stimulate the mind and encourage the spirit and satisfy
the personalities of those of us who yearn to know God and to be more like him.
Amen. </FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Marty:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> Amen.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>TOMAS:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> Farewell.</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT size=4>Karo:</FONT></B><FONT size=4> Farewell.</FONT></P>
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