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<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff>Special Session #10 – Death
& The Elderly – Apr. 13, 2010</FONT></H2>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Teacher:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><B>Monjoronson</B></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Topics:</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Urantia receiving greater
intervention<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">The history behind the concept of
hell<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Can the mind of man manifest hell?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">After death, can we go sightseeing on our
world?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">The reasons pain and suffering are
allowed<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Can there be communications between the dead and
dying?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Is it appropriate to pray for the
dead?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Meditation as a tool for the dying<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Are visualizations common as a death
experience?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Do pets survive the death experience?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">The three primary values of
sustainability<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">The care and handling of the elderly<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Your society does not feed the
curious<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Avoiding dementia begins in the
family<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Death, meditation and mystical experiences</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>TR:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Daniel Raphael</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Moderator:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Vicki Vanderheyden</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B> <o:p></o:p></B></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>April 13, 2010</B></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Vicki:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><I>Dear Father, as we reach up to
Monjoronson for guidance, we ask that you surround us with your presence.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Through the assistance of Christ
Michael, our Mother Spirit and unseen helpers, we ask to be encased in a circuit
of pure light, emanating truth, beauty and goodness.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We come to you with our hearts held
high, in awe of our divine origin, and in so doing, we bow our heads in
gratitude and humility.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>May we see
our brothers and sisters in this same light, and gratefully, humbly serve
them.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Amen.<o:p></o:p></I></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><I> <o:p></o:p></I></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Vicki:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Good morning, Monjoronson.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(Good morning.)<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Is there anything you would like to
share before we begin?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H1 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>Urantia receiving
greater intervention</FONT></U></H1>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><U> <o:p></o:p></U></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Only that as your world changes more
rapidly, as you see more disruption, we have a greater potential and greater
activation to be involved in your human activities.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is essential:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Your world has not and is not proceeding
according to the Divine plan for planets, so there must be greater intervention,
without manipulation and without obscuring individual will in our work, to bring
about your world into a world that enters into the era of light and life.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You will wonder at the development of
our plans, as you see almost oddly, strangely, coincidence and serendipity in
the development of events and plans of men and women in organizations.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You will know that it is us, who are
present and bringing these developments into occasion.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Vicki:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Oh, thank you for preparing us for
that!<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I did indeed receive
questions from our audience, and if you don’t mind, I’d like to share some of
their concerns and questions with you.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>My first topic is on the concept
of “hell.”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>One of our readers has
an aging father who practices as a Baptist Minister, and who is convinced that
we will spend time in a place called hell for our earthly transgressions, and
fears death for this reason.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This
reader thought maybe a few words from you would comfort his father.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Can you speak to the history of this
belief and its validity?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><U><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><STRONG>The history behind the concept of
hell<o:p></o:p></STRONG></SPAN></U></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><U><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><STRONG> <o:p></o:p></STRONG></SPAN></U></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Most certainly; I would be glad to.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>First of all, the concept of hell lies
in the history of dualism and duality that the human mind has a penchant for
devising and accepting as the alternate reality to your physical
dimensions.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The universe is far,
far more generous in its capacity than offering you only two choices.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There are many choices involved in your
ascension plan.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Culturally, the
hell that you are referring to has been defined by other cultures differently
than your strict definition and how you arrived there.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You would be wise to discover the
cultural definitions of hell:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The
Greeks had one definition, the Hebrew race had another.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>The Christian heritage and
culture has definitely devised its own “Machiavellian hell.”<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I use that word “Machiavellian”
intentionally, as it is a similar era as your old writer named Dante.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Dante is the one who truly defined the
hell that you fear, the hell of horrendous agony with brimstone fires, and
such.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This simply does not exist in
God’s universe.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There are other
ways of perceiving this dimension than this awful and brutal materially oriented
hell.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>For anyone who has come into
the presence of God, who in your words has had a “God experience,” who has
experienced that contact with their Thought Adjuster on some realm, knows that
“not to know God is hell.”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>To be
out of the proximity of the Divine, is hell.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>To put yourself at a distance from this
beauty, from this love, from this central source of truth, is hell.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>For many of the beings living in the
afterlife—you would call “spirit”—your world is a living hell; it is material,
it is bound, it is defined and you are confined to this material realm.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You have limited vision of what exists
past this that is available to spiritual beings in the universe.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>No, my friend, the sins that you
have waged against your world and yourself, are already forgiven.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You have preached these words of
forgiveness for decades upon decades, and yet you have not come to accept this
universal forgiveness that God has given you.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Truly, as Jesus said, “When you forgive,
you are already forgiven,” and this you have repeated hundreds of times, if not
thousands of times, in the “Lord’s Prayer.”<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is a truism that always
exists.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Your boundaries for
forgiveness are your own, my friend, not that of God.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Truly, you would have to reject God and
live in inequity, continuous sin and evil, and deny the love of God in your
life, to actually come into non-existence.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>There truly is no hell; it is not even a limbo land or dimension, at all;
it is nonexistence and all records of your presence in the universe are erased,
so that you are forgotten for all eternity.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Truly, for those who know God, this is
the hell past all imaginations and all dimensions of your imagination.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Vicki:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Is it possible, Monjoronson, that one
who is predisposed to this belief in hell, could actually manifest this
existence or something similar after death, in their own consciousness?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><U><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><STRONG>Can the mind of man manifest
hell?<o:p></o:p></STRONG></SPAN></U></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B> <o:p></o:p></B></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>As I have said, the universe is very
generous.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What you devise in your
mind can come into existence.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You
on this material realm already know much of this.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You live in poverty; you live in fear;
you live in disgust; you live in resentment to the point where finally you are
so agonized and disgusted by your own feelings and emotions surrounding these
states of existence that you finally refute them; you deny them out of your
existence, and so they disappear.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>You could manifest this in some ways, but if you truly are seeking to
become closer to God, more perfect in your growth and your development, this
would not come into existence.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The
closest that you would come to this is to be placed in detention when you cross
over to the afterlife, where you would remain until you decided to accept the
love of God and the ascendant career that is offered to you and to
everyone.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is your choice.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>As I said, the universe is a
generous place, and those individuals who want to live in this, could do so
perhaps, in the afterlife in that interim era before they go to the mansion
worlds.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Again, this is a realm of
existence which is uncomfortable for many of you to think about, to accept as a
possibility.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Many of those who do
live in this in-between land, so to speak, do so because they do not accept the
reality of not being alive, and they do not accept the reality of their infinite
career ahead of them.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They refuse
to proceed.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is as though it is a
child who has had a tantrum and has locked themselves in a closet and will not
come out until they open the door and it is the universe, the world, the home
that they want, and this is just not so.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>The universe is a benevolent and
benign and generous place to live, and you are offered a magnificent career of
ascension and development and growth, into the afterlife and the spiritual life
to Havona and to Paradise.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If you
want to devise this non-existence, this limbo land, that is totally up to
you.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We will do all we can to
prepare you to cross over from these dimensions into the morontial dimensions,
easily and quickly.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You can do it
in three days if you are curious and hungry to know God, to know and grow in
truth, beauty and goodness in the afterlife.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There is no need to remain in this limbo
state.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I hope this has answered
your question.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Vicki:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you, and I think you were very
generous in your answer, as well.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Here is another question from one
of our readers:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>He says, “There are
a lot of places I have yet to see and experience on this planet.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Upon death and before we enter the
tunnel, do we have the option to do a little sightseeing around the world,
before we leave our beloved planet?”</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><U><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><STRONG>After death, can we go sightseeing on our
world?<o:p></o:p></STRONG></SPAN></U></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"
class=MsoNormal><STRONG> <o:p></o:p></STRONG></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>No.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You who are hungry to know God, those
who wish to get on with the beauty of their life and their ascension program,
will find the light that you speak of, to be entrancing, to draw you very, very
similarly as a moth is drawn to a flame, encircle that flame and some who enter
the flame as moths, die.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>However,
you who enter the flame, the light, the tunnel, live forevermore, if you choose
to.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Your options are limited as I
have explained in the prior answer; you would be in agony, you would be in a
perpetual, spiritual angst, living in this in-between sphere.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You would not have the consciousness and
joy to engage the beauty of your world.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>You would want to move on.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>This is part of what <I>the Urantia Book</I> talks about not returning to
your homeland during this dispensation.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>[This is Daniel:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is
really curious!]<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You who take three
days to cross over, avoid the dispensational restrictions.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Once you cross over, you go to the world
where you learn to exist and be in the morontial life.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You are given permission in the
accompaniment of your spiritual guides to return if there is something eminently
important for you to accomplish, upon your return.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Sightseeing is not an option, my
friends;<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>No postcards either.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And the T-shirts you will bring back
with you from the morontial realm will not be recognized by your friends.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(Much laughter.)</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Vicki:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I love this!</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>So enjoy your world as long as you are
here, and enjoy your speedy transit to the morontial realm upon your death.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><B>[This is
Daniel:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>He is really getting to
identify, he’s boxing in this transit area, isn’t he?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><B>Vicki:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>He really is, and I’m so thankful for
this.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><B>Daniel:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Have you ever heard that before?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I’ve never heard that before, that when
you die and cross over in three days, you avoid the dispensational
restrictions.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><B>Vicki:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, yes—and also the possibilities that
if there is something eminent, that you can return, that there is a little
flexibility here.]</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B> <o:p></o:p></B></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Vicki:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Monjoronson, I’m going to ask one more
question, which I feel is more of a clarifying question, again coming from a
reader:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When one exists as a
sleeping survivor, do they participate in any activities or experiences, such as
dreams at that time?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>No, absolutely not.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Vicki:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This question is also something that has
been much discussed, but is coming from someone outside of our movement, who is
exploring this, through the reading of books and contemplation, so I will
proceed:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Much has been discussed
about why pain and suffering of the innocent is allowed on our planet, including
discussions of the defaults in our checkered past, the immaturity of our
civilizations that result in this pain and suffering, and affect our abilities
to deal with the pain and suffering of others, as well as the universal
protection of free will.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Do you,
Monjoronson, have anything more you would like to add to help us understand why
this is allowed to occur?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><U><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><STRONG>The reasons pain and suffering are
allowed<o:p></o:p></STRONG></SPAN></U></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"
class=MsoNormal><STRONG> <o:p></o:p></STRONG></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This topic has been discussed numerous
times before, and I will say again, that the universe was created as an
evolutionary developmental environment for growth.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The cause of pain and discomfort in your
world is not caused by God, yet it is allowed to exist.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Your Creator did not create a universe
to put you on a morphine drip, so that you would be in ecstasy all your life,
avoiding the pains and vicissitudes of your material world.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is important that you be able to
experience your world to the fullest.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>It is important for you to
experience the capacity and power that is eminent in your free will!<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Very few of you on this world have truly
exercised the dimensions of your free will to exit the pain and suffering that
is around you.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Why is it that
individuals who live in the slums continue to do so, where there is rampant
crime and immorality, when they know the difference and they then choose to stay
there?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is their choice to
stay.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is their choice to
leave.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You have a tremendous
opportunity to explore the dimensions of free will; most of you have failed to
do so; most of you have failed to exercise your God-capacity to create the world
and your life as you would seek and like.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Part of that is not seeking a life of material ease, or easy supports,
but to experience the greatest capacity of your becoming, to engage the growth
of your life in a meaningful way.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>The difficulties and traumas of
life in your world are those that are caused by nature, which—and remember that
nature treats you very fairly; everybody is given the same benefits and
difficulties across the world.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The
other realm of difficulties that you engage are ones from others, and this can
be very individual, can it not?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Another realm of difficulties are those that you cause for yourself; of
which you have total control; which you fail to exercise.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This world could become a much easier
world to live in, in one generation, were everyone to decide that they would not
injure others and would not injure themselves.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Why God lets this occur is part
of the grand plan of the “universe becoming,” of God the Supreme coming into its
fullness, that all experiential opportunities for good are exercised, explored
and chosen, during the lifetimes of individuals, both in the material realm and
the hereafter.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>God has allowed this
to occur as a <I>benefit</I> to your afterlife, so that during this lifetime,
you can exercise the course of growth that you begin to design and actually fill
the mold of your morontial existence during this lifetime, by the decisions and
choices you make, many of which involve how you live, where you live, and with
whom you live. </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Vicki: </B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>At this point, I’m going to move on, and
talk about dying.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There have been
many who as they approach death, claim that they communicate with loved ones,
often in dreams.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Could this be a
by-product of their ability to see beyond their earthly existence as the veils
are lowered?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, exactly so.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><U><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><STRONG>Can there be communications between the dead and
dying?<o:p></o:p></STRONG></SPAN></U></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"
class=MsoNormal><STRONG> <o:p></o:p></STRONG></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Vicki:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Others in their near death experiences
claim to encounter loved ones that have passed.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Do our loved ones who have passed, ever
play a role in helping us cross over at the time of our passing, and if so, in
what ways?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>No, they do not.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is a sacred moment in the life
experience of the individual, who is crossing over.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The presence of loved ones, of guardian
angels at that time that the individual sees, is a symbol of assurance that all
is well, to reach out their hand and cross over, so to speak.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They are not there to ease the way, but
to—in a metaphor, to open the door and say, “Welcome, it is this way”—in the
afterlife.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Vicki:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In our last session, we talked about the
ways that the living can assist the dying to cross over.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Are there other times when it is
appropriate and helpful to communicate with or pray for loved ones who have
already crossed over, and if so, can you give us an example?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><U><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><STRONG>Is it appropriate to pray for the
dead?<o:p></o:p></STRONG></SPAN></U></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"
class=MsoNormal><STRONG> <o:p></o:p></STRONG></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Monjoronson:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This activity is largely one for the
individual who is praying, to give themselves assurance that the individual in
the afterlife is being cared for.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>This is their connection to the afterlife.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I and your angels and archangels and the
receivers of your soul and Thought Adjuster in the afterworld, can assure you
that all care is given to those who cross over.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Those who do not, are sleeping
survivors, or those who are not surviving.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Your prayers have no effect for those who are sleeping and waiting for
the dispensation.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Your prayers, I
would say, are “not for nothing,” for they are for something, as they give you
greater connection to the afterlife for yourself.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>There is every care and necessity
provided for your loved ones in the afterlife.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They are loved; they are nurtured; they
are cared for; they are given every opportunity that is reasonable and even past
that which is reasonable, to your thinking now, to advance in their morontial
existence, their spiritual growth, and to move ahead.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You could not be in better care than the
care you will receive in the afterlife.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>You are truly in the presence of the organization of love and support
from the Creator in the afterlife.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Do not be disappointed in this revelation to you, as it is for many a
mechanism of religiosity; it is a continuation of those odd and quaint beliefs,
generated by religious organizations in the centuries of their development.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Feeding these things to you, does not
take out or remove any of the magnanimous gift of the afterlife that you can
begin to experience now, as you prepare yourself for that existence, for that
reality.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When you pray for others,
do so in joy for yourself, not to console yourself about the doubts that you
have for your own crossing over.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Know that you will be eagerly and gratefully received when you do cross
over.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Vicki:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In my research this week, I looked into
other ways that we can assist the dying, spiritually, and one thing that
surfaced quite often was “meditation.” And so I’m wondering if you could give us
from a spiritual perspective, ways meditation could be used to facilitate the
dying process?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><U><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><STRONG>Meditation as a tool for the
dying<o:p></o:p></STRONG></SPAN></U></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"
class=MsoNormal><STRONG> <o:p></o:p></STRONG></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Most certainly.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You have hit upon a subject of great
benefit.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Meditation in the presence
of the dying, particularly when there are two or three gathered together to
meditate with the dying, offers a wonderful communion of consciousness.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I do not say “souls,” but I say
“consciousness,” as this person who is dying, is beginning to cross over.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is very much like a placenta, after
the child is born, the placenta begins to come away from the wall of the uterus,
the womb, and it is best done when it is left to its own devices, rather than
being tugged upon by the umbilical chord, causing a tear.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Your meditations assist the
individual to pull away from this material existence, peacefully and
easily.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Many times, those who are
dying, cross over as though they are being dragged by the heels, that they are
resisting at every turn, the ease of crossing over, that they are grasping at
every straw and every sensory input that they can, to remain in the material
realm, rather than more easily crossing over, giving up the obvious to that
which is not so apparent.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Your
meditation with them is a communion of consciousness, to assist the individual
in understanding and knowing that this birth canal is wide open, and that there
is literally a light at the end of this tunnel.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is very, very much like a birthing
process to the point where the metaphor almost disappears.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Those who meditate with the dying, must
do so with a common intention that this is discussed ahead of time, so that
everyone is on the same page, to get the one who is dying on that page as
well.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The intention is this:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The removal of fear; fear of
non-existence, but rather moving into that which is so obvious to many of you,
who have had mystical experiences during your meditations, that this is a time
of beginning to practice this crossing over, to know that which is unknowable,
to experience that which is unknowable during your lifetime.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Meditation is an assist to the
individual who is dying, and usually the difficulties arrive in the dying for
those who have not meditated during their lifetime, who have not had that
ineffable experience of knowing God in that immeasurable, non-empirical
way.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you for your delightful
question.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Vicki:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I think we are continuing more and more
to learn the benefits of meditation, all through our lives.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>May I say this, that the topic of dying
is so close to the morontial realm, you can aspire to and even accomplish the
lower realms of the morontial, while you are living [your mortal life.]<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is not that you are experiencing
dying, but that you are experiencing the continuation of living, while in this
material lifetime.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You then begin
to see the fruits, the flowering, the joy of the process of crossing over, of
dying, that you shed this cocoon, this chrysalis to now engage the butterfly
existence of living in the morontial realms.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Vicki:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>So what you’re saying is that when we go
into a state of meditation, it gives us a little picture into our future
consciousness—correct?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Most definitely, yes.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And that you can continue this
consciousness, this contact, in your waking lives, as you live your life in the
presence of God, much as some of the monks did in their daily chores, of working
in the kitchen, or the scullery.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Rather than being in the depths of drudgery, they aspired to the heights
of knowing God in this activity.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Vicki:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you!<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That was extremely beneficial.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We talked briefly last session, about
Tibetan beliefs, and their references to visualizations that are common during
various stages of dying and dissolution.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Are there common visualizations that occur within our consciousness at
the time of dying, that we all may experience, or is this an individual
experience?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><U><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><STRONG>Are visualizations common as a death
experience?<o:p></o:p></STRONG></SPAN></U></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"
class=MsoNormal><STRONG> <o:p></o:p></STRONG></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There truly are commonalities in the
visualizations of the dying, as they experience this process, and again, this is
most generally experienced by those who have already meditated, who have already
opened the channels of God knowingness, of morontial knowingness, during their
mortal, material lifetimes.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The
commonalities are numerous.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Many
experience their close friends or family who are waiting for them, and this
visualization is very common.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There
is as well, a common vision of the two guardians that will accompany the
individual as they cross over, to escort the soul memory as the individual
proceeds to the morontial realm.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Another commonality are those who
see the morontial realm that they are to go to.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is as though they have a “preview”
(as a movie trailer) of the morontial life, after they have come away from the
mansion worlds and see the morontial realms that they will live in.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Some as well, have a common experience
of being escorted on a “tour” in the morontial realms, and they are in awe.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is something that has been
common.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is common as well,
though less frequent, for those to see the face of Jesus, to see him welcome
them into the afterlife.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>As well,
there are those of other religious beliefs, who are greeted by their Masters,
who have crossed over long ago.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>These are commonalities that are provided, that are shared, that are “on
tap” and available for those who are able to accept them and enjoy them.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Surely these—for those who are
frightened of death and are fearful of crossing over—they are simply left with
the tunnel of light to cross through, a benevolent, warm, greeting environment,
the ambiance of which is past understanding.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Then those who fear death and resist
crossing over, but nonetheless their body dies, they have difficulty as
well.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There are numerous
commonalities to this process.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I
hope that through the sessions of our discussions now and in the past, that you
begin to map the geography of the crossing over process; it is something that is
known to many advanced and developed, spiritually oriented groups.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I hope this helps.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Vicki:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, I think we’ve done quite a bit of
mapping here.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I think you’ve
provided us with a lot—thank you.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>(You are welcome.)</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>I’m going to move on to another
topic that has been answered briefly in past transcripts but continues to be an
area of concern and is<SPAN style="COLOR: #c00000"> </SPAN>brought up quite a
bit to me. It has to do with our pets, when they pass.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Here on earth, some of us find
more comfort and loving from our pets than we do from some human individuals,
and so we grow very attached to them.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>From what has been said about animals, we know that they are endowed with
up to five of the Adjutant Mind Spirits, and that they do not have souls.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This implies that they do not survive
after dying on our planet.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Is this
correct?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><U><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><STRONG>Do pets survive the death
experience?<o:p></o:p></STRONG></SPAN></U></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"
class=MsoNormal><STRONG> <o:p></o:p></STRONG></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Again, this is an answer with gradients
to it.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, it is correct, but not
totally.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And you may ask, well what
do I mean by that.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I will proceed
now, unless you have clarifying questions in back of your original question.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Vicki:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Only that many struggle with the
finality of losing a faithful and loving pet, and with the reality of never
seeing them again, as they may anticipate with their human friends and
family.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Could you possibly help us
resolve this?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>As you have said, some of your pets are
invested with five levels of the Adjutant Mind Spirits.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is not always true for every
pet:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Does a goldfish have
five?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Does a gerbil have five?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Or do other pets have five?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Surely the intelligent marine animals
that your scientists have studied do surely have five levels of Adjutant Mind
Spirits.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Whether your pets cross
over or not, is dependant upon numerous factors.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Many of your inbred species are less
intelligent and far less intelligent than whales, dolphins or porpoises.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They are not of the capacity to cross
over.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is not that they are not
worthy and deserving, it is simply as though they are a “cracked vessel,” that
the water you pour into it does not hold.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>These animals simply do not have the intelligence and mindal capacity to
remain.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They do not have a
consciousness that some animals have.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Consciousness, as you know, is
very evolved, yet numerous of your animals do have a rudimentary consciousness
to them.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Consciousness is the
thread of continuity that allows them to enter the afterlife.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, they do not have a soul, as they do
not have the minded capacity for moral decisions.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They lead scripted lives, according to
their gene structure and the intelligence and capacity to learn by their
living.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Evolved pet owners, who
assist their pets in developing their consciousness and the expression of their
mindal capacities, offer their pets the opportunity or the capacity in
consciousness, to cross over and remain.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Yes, they do not make a moral contribution to God the Supreme, but
nonetheless they offer a meaningful existence and connection and continuation to
you mortal beings who have consciousness and the capacity to increase the
development and evolution of your consciousness.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is a question of immense depth,
compared to that which you know and have studied already.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Many of your pets will simply become
erased in the ground as so much dust and ashes; only some of the most evolved
animals will cross over.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Vicki:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I think that’s one of the most complete
responses we’ve had to that question.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Thank you, Monjoronson, and I think it provides some hope.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Now I am going to move to another
topic, and I only have one question here. It has to do with the sustainability
model that was passed down by Sondjah to the co-creative teams. <SPAN
style="COLOR: black">Some have wondered about the origin of the three primary
values of life, equity and growth, used to explore our beliefs and our
expectations and used as well to plan for future actions. “Where did these come
from?”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Could</SPAN> you tell us
more about the origin or significance of three values and why they were picked
for this process?</P>
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<H1 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>The three primary
values of sustainability</FONT></U></H1>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Oh, most definitely!<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You recall that Sondjah gave these to
you in his work with the Evergreen, Colorado experimental Co-Creative Design
Team.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Now, where did Sondjah get
them?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That is your question, is it
not?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(Yes.)<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Sondjah got them from the archives of
sustainable worlds.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Sustainable
worlds are those that have entered into the early phases of light and life,
those that have a single language, a single culture, a single government, a
single race.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>These three values are
much more easily identified and identifiable on those worlds.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>These values come from the
multi-age-long learning experiences of working with evolutionary worlds, where
there are conscious mortals who are invested with either the Father Fragment,
the Son Fragment, or the Spirit Fragment, that this is a part of the validation
by the Spirit of Truth, that is given to a world upon the bestowal of a Bestowal
Son, [or] one of the Avonal Sons.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>These three values are not only historic, but transcendent, upon the
material, mortal, existential, experiential living of mortals on material
worlds.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>These are—you might
say—etched in the very archival walls of your morontial records.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>These are (chuckling) the “ABC’s of
civilizational existence” that is taught in the morontial realm.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Vicki:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I’m thinking that in the future, others
may ask why we start with these three values.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>So thank you very much for that.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(You are most welcome.)</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Monjoronson, this discussion of
death and dying leads to another concern and another topic, that I wish to
explore with you, and that is the “elderly” in our culture.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What is your assessment of the care and
handling of the elderly people in our society?</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><U><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><STRONG>The care and handling of the
elderly<o:p></o:p></STRONG></SPAN></U></P>
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class=MsoNormal><STRONG> <o:p></o:p></STRONG></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I am pondering how to place your caring
of the elderly, amongst the various, hundreds or thousands of planets, and
within the various hundreds of cultures of your own planet.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Your referent for your culture is
limiting, and does not represent that which is provided in numerous other
cultures on your world, yet there are places on your world that do emulate some
of the best practices of more evolved worlds and societies.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Would you like me to discuss that, or
give you a round assessment in answer to your question?</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Vicki:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Actually you addressed my second
question, which is:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Can you give us
some good examples in our cultures that would inform us on how to better care
for and treat the elderly?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I would be glad to.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In the worst cases on your world, there
is the dismissal of the elderly as being “irrelevant,” and “immaterial” to the
rest of society.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They are
“discards” from the mainstream of your society, and this attitude is despicable
and unkind, to say the least.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>A
more helpful orientation is to be much more responsible to that era in which all
of you will enter.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Some of you will
enter it with dementia; you will have the incapacity to care for yourself; you
will not have the capacity to bathe or clothe or feed yourself.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Your really are an automaton in many
ways.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Many of the switches will
have turned off and have become deactivated. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This group of individuals can be cared
for benevolently in a facility which meets their needs.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>There is another group which
continues to be conscious, who continue to be contributing members of their
society and those who are helpful to themselves.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Many of them are enfeebled in their body
and body mechanism, but have a competent mind function.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is important to allow these
individuals to reach the age where their physical bodies begin to terminate the
existence as living, to allow the mind to process and to begin engaging the
entry ramp towards crossing over into the afterlife.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Too often, there is a regard that those
who are enfeebled, are not “present.”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Across most of your world, there is not the preparation for getting old,
for beginning the process of crossing over.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You do not need to have a religious
existence or heritage to do this, but you do need to see this life as one step
in the continuum of a very long ascendant, infinite life experience.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is the primary attitude and
orientation towards getting old and dying gracefully.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>There is oftentimes a
disconnection between the living and younger, and those who are getting older
and approaching the era of dying and death.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is unfortunate; the older, extended
families that existed in many of your cultures provide a much more healthy
perspective of living, growing older, entering the era approaching death and
then doing so.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Children in extended
families live together, see this process and know what it is all about.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Living alone, living in small living
situations or apart from others in the continuum of life, is not </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>healthy—socially or spiritually
or emotionally.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Healthy cultures
see this era as inevitable and prepare for it.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, there are many who are feeble of
mind and have dementia, and these are cared for appropriately.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>My answers may be hesitating and
diverse, and that is because it is so rare to see a healthy social, emotional,
intellectual engagement of this whole process of birthing, living, growing,
maturing, retiring, becoming elderly and dying.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is simply a continuum, and except for
those who are in the initial and developed stages of dementia, it is a process
of living joyfully, actively, as much as possible, until the body finally
weakens to the point, or one decides to abandon the vehicle and opt for another
one, of the morontial type.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Vicki:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I feel like you’ve touched on this a
bit, but maybe we could use more detail.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>I also feel like we are missing some understanding of the psychological
and spiritual needs of the elderly.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>For instance, the care and the recreation we provide for them, sometimes
appears very sterile and artificial.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>It makes me wonder what needs are not being met.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What activities or experiences may serve
us better as we enter into the later stages of our elderly age?</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In a healthy society, and with healthy
individuals, those become self-expressive.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>That is, the elderly know what they want and pursue it, and they ask for
it, they seek it.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What you are
seeing in your society are people who have been watching television too
much.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They continue to watch
television until they die.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There
are many needs of the elderly, but there are far more needs of those who are
active in the middle age, who are not seeking to explore those options.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Your concern should be for those who are
much younger, to seek how they can express themselves in their lifetimes.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Those individuals who are elderly, and
of good mind, surely do not keep their wishes to themselves, but share them; and
those who dulled their mind through the duration of their lifetimes will not
express their needs then, as they did not earlier.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
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<H1 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>Your society does
not feed the curious</FONT></U></H1>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Your society does not feed the
curious.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Your society does not open
up the potential of individuals.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Your society is very much like so many people in a mental health ward,
watching television, wandering about on drugs, taking care of their vital needs
and being cared for otherwise, by their caretakers.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I do not intend to be mean by stating
these things—it is simply that you have a vast society of dullards, who are not
interested or curious, and later in life, do not know how to express their needs
and satisfy them.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Your question is
very prickly in many ways, because it causes us to present a critique of your
current society.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Your current
society is not sustainable as it exists, and you are seeing that unsustainable
evidence in the lives of those who are elderly.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Surely those elements that are
sustainable are expressed and explicit in the elderly, who remain curious and
expressive of their potential, and still seek to explore themselves and their
lives.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Vicki:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Let me make sure that I understand
this:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What you are telling us then,
basically, is that some of the problems that are inherent in our care of the
elderly are also inherent in the way we live our lives much younger than
that.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Is that correct?</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Most definitely, you have.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I appreciate your clarifying question.
</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Vicki:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This opens up a huge area especially
when we talk about families.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Because I see the family as one of the major roots of this problem, do
you, Monjoronson?</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Most definitely.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Vicki:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Would you like to expound on that for
us?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><STRONG><U><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Avoiding dementia begins in the family</SPAN></U>
</STRONG></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"
class=MsoNormal><STRONG> <o:p></o:p></STRONG></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Most definitely, I would.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The family of origin—mother, father and
children—provide the environment by which the tremendous, infinite, innate
potential within the child, can begin to be explored, and that is an era of
opportunity to expose the child to various situations of learning, to engage
their curiosity, rather than stifling it, answering their questions, rather than
telling them to be quiet.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This
training that begins in the family of origin, usually expresses itself in
midlife by failure to be curious and to explore their own potential when they
are on their own and responsible for their own development, education and
living.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It becomes even more
graphically evident, in the elderly, who sit around and do nothing, or those who
remain to be active.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>One of the greatest antidotes
towards dementia in the elderly is an active intellectual, social, and cultural
life, where the person is always interested in exploring those curiosities of
life that they have.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You can see
what will develop in the individual if you clearly understand the beginnings of
their childhood.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Only those who are
exceptional in self-directing their life as an adult can surpass the limitations
that were given to them, were put upon them in their childhood.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>These individuals usually remain
exceptional in their adulthood and their later years and in their elder
years.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They standout significantly
in the population of the elderly, whether they are in care facilities or
assisted living situations, or at home.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>It is essential that more individuals begin to explore their potential
and begin to become responsible for exploring that potential, and to remain
curious throughout their lifetime.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>By doing this, they will have taken a powerful step to remain active
mentally, socially, verbally, and intellectually in their elder years.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Vicki:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Well, Monjoronson, it makes sense to me
that there would be a continuum.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Thank you for connecting those dots.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I think that was very informative,<SPAN
style="COLOR: #c00000"> </SPAN>very enlightening, and something we all needed to
hear.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><S><SPAN
style="COLOR: #c00000"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></S></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>As you stated, when one
approaches old age, they often experience a degree of forgetfulness and dementia
and many also revert back to child-like ways.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Is there an explanation or a reason for
this developmentally or spiritually, that we are not aware of?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I will begin in childhood again.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In childhood, children are taught and
they learn, and they are given vast amounts of restrictions, socially,
culturally, familially, and personally, by others, and so they wear this
“jacket,” these restrictions on their life, throughout their life, and as they
become older. Many who have mental competence choose to discard many of these
restraints, to allow themselves to be child-like, to be foolish, to be
individualistic, to be humorous and to live in joy; to see and engage life
joyfully and playfully.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When a
person enters their elder years, they have less care for other people’s
opinions, but wish to live in peace within themselves, without the voices of
their parents or other authorities yapping in their minds.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There is a stripping away of these
restrictions.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>On the other hand, for those who
are entering into dementia, there are those learned qualities which have been
with them longest, are more deeply imprinted than those which have been recently
learned.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Child-like behaviors are
those which are retained last.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The
simple pleasures of life—you may see a man in his 80’s playing on the floor,
stacking blocks and playing with cars.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>This is something that he can relate to.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The philosophical elements of life and
the spiritual elements that he learned earlier in life pass by him and no longer
are retained; they are less relevant.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>And so too, you will see women playing with dolls and playing “house”
reenacting those events that they had earlier.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>For the elder man on the floor, playing
with blocks, perhaps he is building corporations and playing and designing with
cars that he did once before.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You
never know what is going through the mind of the individual in their elder
years, particularly those who are experiencing episodes of dementia.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Vicki:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This lowering of the veils of perception
in the elderly, that increases their ability to perceive loved ones that have
crossed over, has me thinking.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Does
this also make it easier for them to perceive and communicate with other
celestial beings, such as angels?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, it is.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Few, however, have trained themselves,
or have been trained to communicate easily with those in the afterlife.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is much a process similar to TRing
but in fact they are visualizing that entity, that being with them.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Many who perceive the veil and have
experienced the veil and its becoming thinner, oftentimes do have conversations
with those who are in the afterlife, in the morontial realm.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is a beginning of their education
for living on the other side.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is
a beginning of the schooling for understanding the lessons of the material life
that have been given to them in their earlier years.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There are many questions that those who
are approaching dying, have about their lives.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Those episodes which are
incomplete—relationships which ended without resolution or closure.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There are many experiences of the mortal
life, which are indecipherable by those who are crossing over, and can be
explained by the helpful efforts of those who have come to visit from the
afterlife.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This can be an important
era in preparation for that.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>You will see these individuals
who are at the veil, approach the veil and retreat, and come back and forth, as
those who are in the material realm beckon them to eat, or to bathe, or to rest
or dress.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They oftentimes, those in
the material realm are completely unaware of this happening, and often are
hostile towards this experience of the one who is dying.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is most unfortunate, as it creates
a dissonance, a fracture in the energy of closure; it breaks the even-flow of
the continuum of spiritual experience of the individual.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is not nice to indicate that they are
mentally ill or crazy, or they have lost their mind, when the elderly who have
approached the veil, have spoken with their aunt, or their uncle, father or
mother, brother, sister or some grandparent who has already passed.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There is this hostile acceptance of the
veil being present, but my friends, you who are in your 30’s or 20’s, who are
completely immersed in the material world, you live with the veil as well.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is simply that it is a foot thick,
and that you even deny its existence.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><U><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><STRONG>Death, meditation<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>and mystical
experiences<o:p></o:p></STRONG></SPAN></U></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"
class=MsoNormal><STRONG> <o:p></o:p></STRONG></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>For those who have meditated and
have had mystical experiences, this is much easier to accept.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is part of the ease of dying, that
those caregivers accept this reality, and in fact, facilitate it.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You recall that I gave the advisement to
assist those who are dying, to experience those altered states of consciousness,
more lucidly, more competently, more consciously, to engage this more
easily.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is part of the process
of dying consciously.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It can be
most uplifting and enlightening experience when done with open mindedness, with
peacefulness, rather than a hostile audience and surroundings.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Do you understand?</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Vicki:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I do understand, and I think that you
have given us a wealth of knowledge that has extended our understanding. I think
this is a good place to conclude our session.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I’m sure though, I may have more
questions about the elderly in the future.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I hope you would have questions about
those caregivers who are with the elderly.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>That would be helpful.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You
did ask that once, quite a bit earlier, and it may be time to revisit that on
occasion.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Vicki:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Okay, yes and that in turn will help us
define what we can do now.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I really
appreciate this practical advice.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>I’ll give this more thought for our next session.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Once again, thank you, Monjoronson.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I truly appreciate your presence and
your transparency, with the answers that you are giving us.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is greatly appreciated not only by
me, but is expressed by many readers that we are hearing from.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you, so much.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(You are most welcome.)</P>
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