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<DIV>Dear Folks, I guess this message didn't get out to everyone so I'll
resend it again. JL</DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=mailto:nytrayn@msn.com
href="mailto:nytrayn@msn.com">JERRY LANE</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=mailto:gerdean@cableone.net
href="mailto:gerdean@cableone.net">Gerdean O'Dell</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 18, 2010 1:10 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [tmtranscripts] Nebadonia 11.1.10</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Dear Gerdean, Hello old friend. Sorry but I cannot
understand your question about finiteness. It's right there in the heading
of paper 116 I quoted. Everything out here in time and space is under
the supervision of the Supreme Being, including the Ancients of Days, the Major
and Minor Sector heads, and the Creator Sons and Daughters. They are
all agents of supremacy and subordinate to the Supreme Being, no more
divine nor infinite than he, and he is finite. </DIV>
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<DIV>The Life Carriers made no mistake in the UB, nor did the first readers
react to any. An interpretation of racism--which is a mistake--is
only in the eyes of the reader who interprets it that way. Most folks
don't. The mistake that Mother Spirit confessed to is one that others have
brought up: why couldn't she--if she is our absolute and infinite and
divine mother, anticipate that folks would later mis-interpret the
text, and have it rewritten it so no such mistake was even possible.
Answer; she is neither absolute nor infinite. That argument could be
laid at the feet of the Life Carriers too, for whose sake she takes
responsibility as well as she is their spirit mother and close supervisor.
In other words, she is freely acknowledging and accepting the responsibility for
failing to anticipate even a mistaken possibility. This is, to me, an
unfathomably loving example of how she is, and wants to be
considered, an inextricable part of me, as human, and as
close, as I am to myself, even while she is also a Creative
Daughter of the Infinite Spirit and the Mother Spirit to millions of worlds and
trillions of personal beings--infinite enough for me.
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A
title=mailto:gerdean@cableone.net href="mailto:gerdean@cableone.net">Gerdean
O'Dell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=mailto:tml@circuit1.teamcircuits.com
href="mailto:tml@circuit1.teamcircuits.com">A teaching mission discussion
list</A> ; <A title=mailto:nytrayn@msn.com href="mailto:nytrayn@msn.com">JERRY
LANE</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:11
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [tmtranscripts] Nebadonia
11.1.10</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">"She said it was a mistake! -- but
how could this be?" I have no clue. But your post did call to my
attention something I wanted to ask about. Twice you described our
Creator Son and the Divine Minister as "finite." I cannot recall
ever having read that before. Can you direct me to something in the text
that would indicate that they are considered finite? I'm not arguing the
point; just needing confirmation.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">As for what Nebadonia said about the
UB having made a mistake, I will have to ponder that long and hard, deep in my
heart and in my deep mind. I cannot rule it out immediately because I
have experienced Adam and Eve's apology, and it was profound! I have
also had my Adjuster apologize to me for all the crap I have had to put up
with on this planet. But for all of it, ... I need to study on it a bit
more. If my head and my heart aren't in synch over an issue, it
remains unresolved and one of my favorite things about the UB is that it
provided me with intellectual peace, and I am not inclined to give that
up. And it's not that I have to understand <EM>everything</EM>, nor
do things always have to stay the same, but I do need to at least attempt to
understand ... particularly when it is a matter of my faith, my belief, and my
relationship with my peers, particularly my fellow T/R's.
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<DIV><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">I also wonder why good parents would
take responsibility for their children's viewpoint. Anyway, ...
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<DIV><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Thank you, Jerry.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Gerdean </FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
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<A title=mailto:nytrayn@msn.com href="mailto:nytrayn@msn.com">JERRY LANE</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=mailto:TMTranscripts@circuit1.teamcircuits.com
href="mailto:TMTranscripts@circuit1.teamcircuits.com">TMTranscripts</A> ; <A
title=mailto:tml@lectra.virtualbiz.com
href="mailto:tml@lectra.virtualbiz.com">tml2</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:41
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [tmtranscripts] Nebadonia
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<DIV>Dear folks, My insight as T/R of the material is no more valid
nor valuable than anyone else's, so my take on Nebadonia's latest message is
only that, however unbelievable at first, coming from the being whose Holy
Spirit is keeping my heart beating, this was in her own words a humble and
sincere apology. While neither she nor Michael directly wrote
the Urantia book's paper on the Evolutionary Races of Color, it
was done under their auspices and, like good parents taking responsibility
for their children's (Life Carrier's) viewpoint, they take
responsibility for it as well. She said it was a mistake!--but how
could this be? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It took a while but I was able to find a remembered passage in the
Urantia book that may shed light on this. "Paper 116, The Almighty
Supreme: If man recognized that his Creators--his immediate
supervisors--while being divine were also finite, and that the God of time
and space is an evolving and non-absolute Deity, then would the
inconsistencies of temporal inequalities cease to be profound religious
paradoxes." Since this is addressing no less than the Supreme Being, I
think it might also hold for our own Creators, our own "immediate
supervisors"--Michael and Nebadonia, divine but finite, having stated
themselves, and often, that they too are just "out here" in time and
space evolving and earning a soul just like we (hopefully) are.
Her apology is just another unfathomable offer of
equality with us, as is Michael's being not only our Father Spirit
but also our closest friend. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>From the point of view of the Life Carriers who wrote the paper--(it's
interesting to go back and read it)--in this context they were
assessing human evolution mainly in terms of a blending of colors--the
original purpose for the programmed emergence of different colors, the
addition of Adamic/Andite stock--the violet race, and even
climate--something about man progressing on the cold northern
plains but languishing in the tropics; nothing about any intrinsic racial
superiority or inferiority. The first readers didn't react in a racist
way, nor catch any implication the words would be read in that way, so
neither did their Thought Adjusters for any necessary rewrite as was
done with other papers. These passages were terribly mis-taken
only by those in a later generation who could not, as the Urantia book
itself states and Nebadonia repeated, use their wisdom's hallmark, a
sense of proportion to weigh a few statements as part of over two
thousand pages on subjects covering dozens and dozens of human disciplines,
plus thousands of concepts unique to all of human history and
literature, plus the life of Jesus; all of it hanging together with no
internal inconsistency I've yet been able to find. To them a
few racist-seeming remarks were enough to invalidate the whole.
So this mistake was, and still may be compounded by
another thing the book warns against--taking it, or any written
work, in a fundamentalist way as some immaculate pronouncement by
Deity Itself. Deity is not an "it" but personal and, in Michael's and
Mother Spirit's case, divine but finite, as is their gift of life
to us. The final test is always, as she says, within us as a resonance
with Michael's Spirit of Truth; i.e. does it ring true? That is
our responsibility in part and in whole. Mother Spirit has confessed
to a mistake in not anticipating a possible but mistaken
racist-interpretation where none was intended, and sincerely
apologized. What more can we ask of her? JL</DIV>
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