<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>From: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">Kathleen L. Huntley <<a href="mailto:nox2386@blackfoot.net">nox2386@blackfoot.net</a>></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Date: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica">February 19, 2011 6:33:44 AM MST</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>To: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica"><a href="mailto:tmtranscripts@circuit1.teamcircuits.com">tmtranscripts@circuit1.teamcircuits.com</a></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#000000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Subject: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica"><b>Lightline - Jan. 20 - Jerry Lane</b></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> </div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><!--StartFragment--> <div class="MsoNormal">Lightline Teleconference<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Date:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>January 20, 2011<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">T/R:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Jerry Lane<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Teacher:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Nebadonia<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Subject:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Personality Survival<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Dear Mother Spirit and Michael, Welcome – Welcome especially Mother Spirit.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>There have been many requests for you to give the lesson tonight, so we will give Michael a break and ask you then to - oh do as you always do – just talk to us your children and let us enjoy your point of view for a while.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>The way you see things and see us.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>We do enjoy your continuing chapters on the handbook for being human.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>And we do try to take to heart, especially in our relationships with our friends and others, on these amazing aspects of being human, especially being human on this particular planet and this particular time. This has never happened before and, as you say, will never happen again.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>So thank you, thank you dear Nebadonia for these lessons.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Amen.<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Nebadonia:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Good evening my children this is Nebadonia, your Mother Spirit.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>And indeed Michael is right here with us, always actually.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>He is much a part of you as I am.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>And we do enjoy so much sharing our lives with you.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>It is our delight when you choose consciously, with the full force and power and creativity of your own personality.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>You offer to have us understand, experience, feel your life.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>So, in this exchange, we give to each other, we delight in each other.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>For many years now we have been giving this handbook on being human.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>And there are some very tricky parts to it coming as you are to this handbook from each of your own separate, individual and unique points of view.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>What is important is that you feel these realities within yourself and initially this is not selfishness or self-centeredness<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>but what you cannot experience within yourselves and give credence with your whole heart and your whole soul you cannot experience in others.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">So this is where it starts.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>You are not only as we say “focal point” of experience, a nodule of experience out here in time and space, you are a participant.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>You are in reality; you are reacting and out of your own essence acting.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>A lot of discussion lately I notice has been on this quality of personality. What is it?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>When does it start?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>What are its functions?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>What are its limits?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>What are its abilities? <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">And in this my children, those of you who are familiar with the Urantia book, I encourage you to read, and then after it has soaked in for a while, read again that chapter titled Personality Survival.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>For therein it gives the most comprehensive and detailed of what you are.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><i>Interruption:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></i></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">This is Mother Spirit again.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>To review this fathomless, bottomless, I should say this unfathomable mystery and miracle and marvel of what personality is it helps to read that chapter over several times because it is so condensed.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>And as you bring various notions of personality to this it make take several readings to really absorb, not just pass over those aspects you may might not be familiar with. <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">There has been some wonder as when personality is created.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>And some of you have forgotten that God not only exists in a very personal sense on paradise but he is also everywhere.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Omnipresent in a transcendent way and fully ubiquitous within time and space.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Personality is not created in paradise and then sent out into time and space. Personality is bestowed upon a living system that includes mind or spirit.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>In other words your human order.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Even beings like Solitary Messengers who wrote that chapter who are pure spirit,<span style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </span>but living pure spirit with personality.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>One of the hardest concepts to wrap your mind around is how personality is devoid of identity. It has the ability to unify that identity it gets from what ever living mind, or material, or spirit – in your case all three -what ever living vehicle it is bequeathed upon.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>That is where it gets its identity.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">And this identity exists not only within every single reproductive cell.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>But when a sperm and egg get together that is also a unique cosmic event.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>A real event.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>That fertilized egg has identity.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>We used this example before.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Look at one of your old fashioned photographs of a large family, like ten or twelve children.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>There you see the family resemblance, but you all so see the individuality, the identity of each one of those brothers and sisters.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>They are<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>distinct even on a physical, body-mind level.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>So God in his everywhereness, in his absolute and infinite omissions comes up with, creates that personality to be associated with that unique living human being there.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Upon birth the personality begins to experience, and though this experience is yet shy of being counter parted with a Thought Adjuster and a full soul, you have also been informed that in those individuals who are not capable of Adjuster fusion and who arrive on the mansion worlds without the Thought Adjuster, there is still that quality of personality that does retain experience.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>So they are slowly able to regain so much of their life experience even in the absence of a Thought Adjuster.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">For most of you with Thought Adjusters this is the origin of your soul.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>The experience, the personality as a focal point is unique focal point of experience.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>It is like the Thought Adjuster eternal. But, the association with a living mind and body is a very temporal, provisional kind of arrangement. As your Urantia book puts it, the personality is changeless.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>It does not change and neither does the Thought Adjuster.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">But, the relationship between them, in the soul, is incessant change – growth, evolution.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>This is what the soul is.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>The soul is repository of the personality’s experience, woven together with the Thought Adjuster’s experience of that experience.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>In other words the soul is just more than your memories.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>It has this extra dimension.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>It is a Morontia reality.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>We had to introduce that word.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>It had no previous existence in your world literature to designate this profound cosmic reality that comes into existence.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>And so we have given so many lessons on the enormity of your soul.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Its being very contra-distinct from your memories.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>You can think of your memories of what your brain, what your material mind comes up with.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Where you were on such and such of a date at such and such of a time.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>When you sit down in your stillness, and in your meditation, you go back to that time in the past and just let it swell forth and be astonished that all that is still there of that time in the past.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Right down to not only what you saw and heard, and related with, but how it felt.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>How it felt to be five years old, or fifteen or twenty-five.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>What your whole take on reality was then.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">And so, my children, your soul is the fullness within your memories.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>We need never fear that even though if your memories fade through dementia, Alzheimer’s disease to whatever.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>To whatever happens to your physical body and what you normally think of as memories.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>What ever happens your soul is being held sacrosanct by an individualized presence of God.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>This is what your soul is.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>So your personality is what you are.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>You can understand why in so many philosophies and religions the soul is considered to be the fundamental reality.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>So many of these systems, of concepts and thoughts, there is no clear idea of what we mean by personality.<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">There is some question as to what influence some kind of previous existence of either the personality or the soul, what influences it might have on your present life.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>In this eternal now in which you exist.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Here we have to reassure you that the freedom of choice you have, the free will you have in this present moment, is only influenced by your own personal life.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>This particular life you are living now.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>This is a great relief to so many because they are free from interpretation of what is happening around them as being somehow beyond their control.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Somehow beyond their freedom of choice there is this other operative.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>This other influence functioning in their life.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>It is strictly their own memories and their own soul with the creativity of their personality. This is that unfathomable aspect of you my children that is so hard to grasp is your own creativity of how, with certain concepts, certain ways of looking at life, your life.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>The interpretation and the understanding can be so profoundly affected.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>We like that expression that the personality is like an eye that sees but it can’t see itself.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Your own creativity is so seamless.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>So much a part of you.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>It is so often hard to credit just how much of your reality is coming from you as an interpretation of what is happening.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">This is why we have to reassure you that the only thing operating in your life is your life.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>This life that began when your mother and father conceived you.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>You had no previous existence that had any influence upon you.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>As your Urantia book states in that instance where Michael, when he was Jesus, approached a man who had been blind from birth and he was asked, ‘what caused this?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Was this some sin his father had done?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Some sin his mother perhaps had done? Or even some sin he had committed in some previous time?’<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>And it states there what difficulty Jesus had in convincing those around him, that a human being has no previous existence.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>But, you do have the ability to interpret reality along lines of belief and what you were raised.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">So tonight I would like to address that question of reincarnation <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">by showing how much it has in common with what we have taught.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>First and most important is there is life after death.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Your physical death here on Urantia is not the end of your personality or your soul.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Your changeless personality finds identity in that soul.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Your soul is what you carry with you.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>This is your only possession, your only necessary possession.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>This is the life you have lived and earned.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>This is you as you carry forward and keep adding to it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>This is how the personality, though changeless, learns, adapts, and gains abilities.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>The other thing that is common with reincarnation is this process.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>We are just saying it begins here.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>You do go on to life after life after life on worlds beyond number.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Even hundreds of changes in your body-mind make up as you go through the Morontia realms.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>It just simply begins here. And, as various concepts within reincarnation hint at a kind of universal, almost cosmic justice.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>If you live a good life here the life you go on to live, the next life will reflect that goodness. Or, if you are evil here, that next life will reflect that evil.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>The Urantia book breaks it down for you a little more specifically in terms of levels of connection with Deity.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>The psychic circles that explain, to a very small degree granted, what this next life will be for you. <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Where the concept of reincarnation goes wrong is, as I just suggested, is that in its attempt with this feeling of cosmic justice.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>There is that attempt to explain everything that happens to people in terms of some previous existence.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>You won’t need to think of what we call true accidents of time and space. Shall I say that the people that are killed or terribly injured in an earthquake or recently in a Tsunami.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>There is no way that those people “deserve this”.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>This is no way a kind of punishment for something that happened before.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>As Michael said, it is a geological disturbance and an impersonal wall of water went towards the land.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>So, with this attempt to explain everything in terms of some previous existence can, as the Urantia book said, lead to notions of almost a loss of freedom.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>An inability to know what is happening.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>If you will a too facile explanation of what happens to people.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Open your minds to wonder deeper, yet also with the courage to accept there are truly accidents from the human point of view.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>But, enough for the lesson this evening.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>I sense there are some questions out there to be asked or comments to be made about this or anything else on your mind, so please feel free to join the conversation.<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Questioner #1: Nebadonia this is<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>….<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>I have a question I’d like a little bit more clarification if you would please.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>You mentioned personality is identified when the egg and the sperm meet and you also mentioned the birth of where it gains it first experience.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Is personality imbued more at the point of birth or at the point of conception?<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Nebadonia:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>At the point of conception because this is where you have a living – it is not like a being, but it is a fertilized egg that is unique.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>It has identity and so the personality is associated with this living – it is a body in a way.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>It is a living creature.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>It has identity. And this is what it takes for the personality to be associated with.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Questioner #1: Thank you.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>That does answer my question.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Nebadonia:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>If you think of it this way there is no limit to what God knows.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>In terms of that sperm and that egg.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Even in your modern science you get right down to the DNA.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>I use the illustration of a large family to say that even though this is coming from the same mother and father, that union of a sperm and an egg has identity, has individuality.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>That is what is required.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Questioner<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>#1:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>I do have a follow-up question about personality.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>It has to do with some of the changes that have to do with how we think of personality.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>As it relates to the study of astrology and personality.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Is personality at all influenced by motions of planets and position in relation to other celestial bodies?<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Nebadonia:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>No, except (laughter), then again this is an enormous exception.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Somewhat parallel to what I taught on concepts and whole ways of interpreting things in terms of reincarnation.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>For those who believe in astrology, it is a centuries old, highly complex psychology if you will.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>And, in relating human behavior to the position of the stars it has evolved.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>It has evolved to psychology explaining human behavior that is been growing and evolving ever since it was first introduced.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>It is no minor thing.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>A person who believes in astrology can other words can interpret reality in that way and learn a great deal from it. It gives a way of expressing cause and effect on a psychological level.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>A way of explaining human behavior.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Like any other belief system, the more it is believed in the more it has influence, and what you call self fulfilling theory or self fulfilling philosophy. But, there is no direct causal relationship between the position of the physical universe around you and your qualities of your personality or soul that come out as behavior.<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Questioner #1:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Are there patterns of personality that we may see relationships between?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Different patterns between people and relationship as to when they were born or when they were conceived?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Nebadonia:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Only in so far as what we call<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>- - we have given so many lessons on the enormity of culture right down to language, words and concepts.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>All this you absorb in your first three, four and five years of your life.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>That is what influences the individual more than anything else.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>You have a, shall we say, a number of people in a neighborhood, who have no knowledge what so ever of astrology.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>It has no influence on them.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Does that make sense?<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Questioner #1: I don’t understand your last comment there.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>If you had a group of individuals who didn’t know about astrology they would not -?<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Nebadonia:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>If they do not know about astrology, they are not interpreting their own human behavior in terms of what sign you are born under with the whole different parts of the personality as it is defined in astrological terms.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>They have no knowledge of this whatsoever.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>They don’t interpret what is happening to them, shall we say what sign are you?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>What is your rising sign?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>All these different constellations and things.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>If they have no notion there is no way astrology is affecting their life.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>It is only a belief system and has all the power and limitations of a belief system.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>For those who believe in astrology it is obviously apparent.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>This is what is determining so much of what is happening to them and to others.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>But, it is only a belief system.<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Questioner #1: A belief system would have nothing to do with a scientific reason.<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Nebadonia:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Exactly it has no. ..<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>It cannot be empirically demonstrated in that sense.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Questioner #1: So if people that were born on the same day if they may be exhibiting some kind of common personality trait, that is something we are reading into it, not something that is actually there?<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Nebadonia:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>It is both.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>It is both there but it is your interpretation of what is there.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>So as your experience it is both.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>You aren’t actually making something up.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>You are interpreting behavior in a certain way according to a certain understanding of cause and effect. There is that implied causal relationship, shall we say if you were born in a certain, under a certain sign, the heavens were in a certain relationship when you were born, there is that implied thing that is some how effecting you.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>The stars do not compel, they comply but they do not absolutely determine who and what you are.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Of course through out all of this you have free will.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Questioner #1: So there is no repetitious pattern to personality at all relating at all to time?<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Nebadonia:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Relating to time?<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Questioner #1:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Time, yes, as in cycles of earth.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Yearly cycles, monthly cycles and anything to do with a time base?<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Nebadonia:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Oh no.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>That is another whole thing.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>I was thinking of astrology strictly with respect to the stars.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>The position of the stars and things.<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Questioner #1: I’m talking about time as maybe the planets fall into certain patterns that relate to different cycles.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>I just think of the planet and stars and how it cycles.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Personality, does it have cycles that are consistent….in a time basis where people would have certain personalities - have similar characteristics on a certain time base?<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Nebadonia:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>No, in this case my son, it is like the seasonal changes and what the climate and things like this.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>What part of the earth they are born and raised in.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>These kinds of cycles have enormous influence you know, over childhood development shall we say.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>When you talk about just the relationships of planets and shall we say, empirical forces, gravitational and so forth like this on the earth now you are getting out of astrology and getting into actual astronomy.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>But, I can say with the respect to the starry heavens and the stars and the planets, there is no direct causal relationship between them and human behavior.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>That is implicit.<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Questioner #:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Take away the planets and I’m just talking about cycles of personality.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Are there cycles of personality where a particular trait may be greater or lesser than individuals that are born at a particular time?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Nebadonia:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Yes, that is what I meant to answer.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>We are getting back to heredity and environment.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>In that sense of just the general environment.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Where you are on earth, what the seasons are, this sort of thing has a lot to do with childhood development and behavior.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>But that is all. There is no other implied causality.<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Questioner #1: I don’t want to mix personality with nurture.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>I’m talking about the imbuement of personality with nurture.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Maybe I don’t understand.<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Nebadonia:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>You have to keep in mind that each personality is unique.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>And also, this changelessness of personality.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Personality does not change – ever! Personality gains identity by way of growing of soul.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>As we say you earn experience through living.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>By living experience you are growing a soul and that is what constitutes your identity.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>The personality itself does not change.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Personality does not come in types or anything like that.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>It is changeless and in each one unique.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>When you get into astrology you are talking about influences of behavior.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>So I am not sure what you mean by cycles of personality.<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Questioner #1:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>I’d say cycles of personality having to do with whether people have a certain personality trait like as defined by astrology, more stubborn, or more fixed or emotionally wavering.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Just personality traits that seem to have cycles of …………<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Does that make sense?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Nebadonia:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Yes my son that is what I referred to as human behavior.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>And also, astrology is a highly complex and very comprehensive psychology, which is the explanation of human behavior.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>What gives rise to and the inter-relationships.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>So, you are asking if all Virgos or all Gemini exhibit because of that, certain identical kind of traits that gives them identity as a Virgo or as a Gemini.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>And, I am saying in so far as they believe in that system of behavior interpretation if you will.<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Questioner #1:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Thank you very much.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>I don’t want to dominate all the questioning.<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none">Jerry: Are there any more questions or comments this evening? Michael mentioned before that sometimes there is hesitancy to disturb this marvelous stillness, that we can share.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none">Questioner #2: I think that you just gave us so much to think about. I'm trying to understand the personality being unchanging and unique. It must be that part of us that comes together when the sperm and the egg meet. When we're told we're unique, that must be the unique part because if I understand your conversation tonight Mother Spirit, that personality is constant and unchanging.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none">Nebadonia: Yes my daughter, the personality is, you can call it, bequeathed or associated with a living, in this case, a living fertilized cell that has identity. This is the hardest thing for so many folks to realize, that the personality itself is devoid of identity, that it has the innate ability and function of unifying whatever living organism it is associated with. [Thank you, that is very helpful.] <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none">We call you a nodule of experience, a focal point of experience. In some systems called monism where everything is one, everything is God, there is absolutely no...everything that shows you.. every experience or every perception that something is not God or is even dual, is a kind of an illusion like God forgets Himself in order to be an individual, and upon death or an enlightenment experience that gave rise to these concepts, the individuality and the personality.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>This goes back to God.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>God just realizes He's been acting as this being and upon death the individuality and the personality just go back to God as like a drop to the ocean.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Whereas we're saying no, there is an enduring entity here, there is an enduring cosmic quality of individualized being, this personality. <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none">Even in the Urantia Book there is this statement that it would be presumptuous, even for a solitary messenger who wrote that chapter, for this pure spirit being to try to exhaustively define personality. Like you say, there's certain things we know about it, because personality is an eternal, discreet individualization. In other words it is endowed with this potential for free will, even to go against God's will, for you do have some very ungodly behavior that comes right out of the personalities creativity. This personality being eternal and changeless does however evolve by gaining a soul. So the personality and the soul are distinct from one another. I think the Urantia Book puts it; personality is the one thing that can be added to spirit, showing the primacy of the Father over the Eternal Son of Spirit. God is personality. He's not only a personal being, He is the origin and the essence of personality, this is where personality comes from. He is able of His creativity to create an individualized personality and in this sense, set it free. So you have that statement that God is just beyond time, He sees the end from the beginning, He inhabits eternity. At the same time you have that statement that God's will obtains in the whole, because literally He is creating the parameters for each order of personal beings.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none">Yet God's will does not obtain in the individual except by that individual’s free will choice to discover and follow God's will which gives rise to all the ungodly behavior of personal beings. That's the freedom, that's the individuality or the uniqueness of every personal being. It's not just God pretending to be some other being. That is the eternal prospect that you have as a personality. You need never end as a discreet being growing a soul forever. That is God's gift to you. God's gift my daughter, is you. You get to have your life forever, you are real. <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:ComicSansMS"> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none">Questioner #2: Thank you very much, you have been very very helpful.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none">Nebadonia: Again, we are dealing with some unfathomable mysteries here but I hope it teases you to wonder and marvel and bring forth your other most wonderful gift of God, curiosity. Who am I, what am I? That is why the Urantia Book gives you so many orders of personal beings, seraphim and midwayers and melchizedeks and on and on. One of these days Michael and I will have to give a lesson on time, of the eternal now. The only thing I would tease you with tonight is that through all your marvelous science fiction, going back in the past or going up in the future and looking around and dodging all kinds of time paradoxes that have been around since, I guess it was Mr. Wells that started this whole thing, it is very difficult to conceive that the future does not exist, it has not happened yet. So I will leave you with that. Are there any other questions or comments? <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none">Well now my children,let me bid you all a good evening. I hope you've had as much fun as I've had. This is our delight, you are our delight and we are blessed to experience you, your personalities, your souls and still as you can give a gift to God of seeking His will and doing your best to live by it and actually becoming more real by doing so, so too we delight when you turn your minds to us and simply say hi Dad, hello Mom, thank you for me, thank you for being with me. It really does set us aglow. I bid you a good evening, be in my love.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"><br></p><div style=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div></blockquote></div></body></html>