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<H1 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#800000 size=5>PR</FONT></H1>
<H1 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#800000 size=5>Conversations with
Monjoronson<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>#59 – Divine Justice –
Sept. 7, 2012</FONT></H1>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3>Topics:<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: green"><FONT size=3>The escalating, disruptive
political and military situations<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: green"><FONT size=3>Equal protection pacts
among nations<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: green"><FONT size=3>Refrain from making rash
decisions as a nation<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: green"><FONT size=3>Divine justice versus
human justice<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: green"><FONT size=3>Integrating divine law
into human society<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: green"><FONT size=3>Our legal system reflects
the morality of our culture<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: green"><FONT size=3>A proactive moral
base<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: green"><FONT size=3>The problem of
terrorism<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: green"><FONT size=3>Forming a new type of
political party<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: green">Changing the world’s culture over
time</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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</SPAN><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3>TR:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Daniel
Raphael<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: .5in" class=MsoFooter><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3>Moderator:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Michael
McCray<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3>September 7, 2012</FONT></H2>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3>Prayer:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><I>Heavenly Father, Michael, Nebadonia,
we gather again for another session with our Avonal Son and his staff.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We sincerely thank you all for
everything that you have done for us, that you do and will do on our
behalf.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is our hope that our
efforts co-creatively with you in this venue will further the work of the
Correcting Time.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Amen.</I><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">MMc:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Monjoronson?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">MONJORONSON:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>One
moment, please.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Let us continue and
wait for this one to engage this process fully.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(Pause)<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You may
proceed.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<H3 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>The escalating,
disruptive political and military situations</FONT></U></H3>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">MMc:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The last time we were together, you
spoke about the escalating, disruptive political and military situation
throughout the world.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I wonder if
you would like to say more about that?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">MONJORONSON:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If you
look at the world, your global network of nations, you find that in many
areas—most areas—there is not conflict, not open hostility, but that this
hostility is peculiar to particular regions of the world.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You recognize that the Middle East has
great difficulties, and you also see the seething hatred and continuing
animosity in the [Balkan states], Czechoslovakian area, which has now been
dismembered into several nations.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>You also see this in Northern Africa, and you see it elsewhere in the
world.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If you simplify this
further, that the many areas under conflict are either religious or economic as
the basis for the conflict.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Militarism is simply a symptom of underlying disquiet or tension.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Therefore, when you see militarism, you
must look deeper at what is the motivation for using militarism.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You see now, the conflict in economics
and resources between China and the Philippines and Japan, over islands and
territories, which are not clearly defined as being owned or under the control
of any one particular nation.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Therefore, these island places are contested.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That is an economic example.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You will eventually see much greater,
many more military excursions by China as it seeks to expand its resources.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In many ways, it is deeply wealthy in
material and geophysical resources, but in many ways it is very undernourished
for supporting the huge population it has.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>It will be making excursions elsewhere.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You have still yet to see the conflict
that was predicted in the revelation between the “Bear and the Dragon;” this has
yet to come into completion.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3>The area in the Middle East’s tension is
mostly religious, cultural, of that nature.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It will eventually express itself in
terms of economics as well, when the oil industry is replaced by other energy
sources.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>As those populations
further exceed the capacity of their landmass to support the people, there will
be great difficulties there.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>As
these stressors of the geophysical nature occur in volcanism and
tectonics—earthquakes and so on—to cause great problems, many resources will be
diverted to those catastrophes, those cataclysms.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This will create difficulties in
nations’ budgets, as you are seeing now, and that there must be a diminishment
of military budgets for extensive overseas [deployments] and what they call
“foreign-bound military resources,” where nations send their armies and navies
to great distances, and these will be withdrawn.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3>I am trying to paint you a picture of
the vectors of influence that are coming to closer convergence in the near
future—the near future meaning the time [from] now to a point at the end of the
decade, where these will all converge and create a tremendously difficult era in
your world, not just this nation but the world.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When that occurs, the obligations, the
network of relationships between nations will weaken, and it will be much like
holding a netted bag of oranges suspended from the ceiling, and as time goes by
the netting weakens and soon all the oranges fall to the floor.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is what will occur in some of those
regions of great difficulty, that the restraints that are in place voluntarily
by nations will be weakened, and you will see military excursions into other
nations, very similarly as you saw during the era of colonialism in the world,
where there was a sense of entitlement to others’ resources because they had the
technology and the power to do so.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3>It is not that your world will
experience another world war, but you will have a world that is in chaos.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That is why it is so vitally important
that nations withhold themselves from acting out or acting to get involved in
those skirmishes and those difficulties, as they will be drawn in, and drawn in,
and drawn in to the point where they too, become an enemy.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We are not speaking of isolationism, but
we are speaking of very rational, cautious withholding of power and influence
that may jeopardize the stability of the whole community of nations.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It will be necessary in the future that
nations that withdraw or withhold themselves act and provide sort of a cultural
pillar, an immoveable anchor, one of those mighty piers to which a mighty, great
ship ties up to at the dock, and is held fast and secure.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There must be a voice of reason when all
else and all others are screaming in panic.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That is why we are working so diligently
on a universal process that is applicable to all people, of all cultures, of all
nations, and all political orientations that is useful to bring about
stability.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You can forget about
social sustainability during the next few years, but work towards social
stability.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The same process that
will bring about social sustainability will first bring about social stability,
then social peace, and then eventually social sustainability.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is an evolutionary development that
will occur, and does occur [for] all nations, even when nations are so
disintegrated and so powerless that they have no other option but to become
sustainable.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<H3 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>Equal protection
pacts among nations</FONT></U></H3>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">MMc:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The United States and Europe are
involved in equal protection pacts, such as NATO.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Those types of pacts during World War I
basically pulled Russia and England and France and Germany into a war that
basically began in the Balkans.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Will we be dealing with a situation where we will have to be restrained
from getting involved in those mutual protection pacts again, to the point where
we are forced into war?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">MONJORONSON:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>No, my
friend, it is far more complicated than that, as the decisions that are made now
will affect the future.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>One of the
most stabilizing decisions to be made recently was the willingness of the
European banks to buy unlimited amounts of debt of those nations that are
greatly in difficulty—Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece, for example.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That eventually will delay “paying the
piper” until later, but it is a wise decision to make now.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What you are asking about is dependent
upon many, many, many decisions that will be made before that one.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That is a conclusion; it is almost a
conclusionary statement or question that asks to draw an answer of a conclusion,
which could be contested—and it will be contested through the development of all
the events that precede it.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3>It may sound as though I am talking in
circles, but we see through that whole process, that the first events precede
the last, and that therefore we do not wish to make any conclusions now, as
there are many decisions that need to be made by you and the nations before that
conclusion will become evident.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I
apologize that I am not able to make or provide a more clear answer, which I
definitely could, but it is not advisable to do so at this
time.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">MMc:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I believe I understand what you are
trying to say to us.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The situation
is up in the air, but you are definitely advising us to hold back and use our
brains, rather than react in a nature…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<H3 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>Refrain from
making rash decisions as a nation</FONT></U></H3>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">MONJORONSON:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes,
the advice I am giving you—and when I say “you,” I mean your national
government—is that discretion now will allow you tremendously greater latitude
of decisions and options in the future.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Making rash decisions now, knee-jerk responses now of might and power,
will create an untenable and unsurvivable future more quickly, or sooner than
later.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>So discretion at this time,
by this nation and other powerful nations is vital to having options for better
peaceful settlements in the future.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<H3 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>Divine justice
versus human justice</FONT></U></H3>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">MMc:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>A friend from Russia writes us saying
that he has been contemplating for years, the difference between divine justice
and divine law and human justice and human law.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The first question is:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Could you express and enhance the
explanation of divine justice, please?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: .5in" class=MsoFooter><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">MONJORONSON:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, I
would be glad to.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Divine justice is
the same as the other side of divine mercy, both in the divinity of [the]
universe involves the divine management of a huge universe, over a huge amount
of time.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Divine justice takes that
into account on the personal level, and on the universal level, in simplified
terms.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In such a case, it may
appear to be unjust to the individual that events occur as they do and are
developed and treated as they are by God.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>In the long-term of universe management, divine justice must take into
account the smaller and the larger realms of existence.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The individual must be able to see
justice in their own right; had they a large enough Godlike perspective, they
could see justice in the universal dimension as well.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3>It is important that when one considers
divine justice, that one also and simultaneously, considers divine mercy, for
one without the other does not provide a good synergism to the management of the
universe.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Individuals must be able
to see the mercy that is the long-term, [the] overarching wisdom of those
decisions of justice, to make them understandable and to be able to appreciate
those decisions.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When one
understands divine mercy, they also come to appreciate that there is someone in
charge, that the universe does work for good, and that long-term difficult
trends then become highly productive and beneficial.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The divinity of the management of the
universe is no small project; it is no small development, but one that is
inherent in its creation, from its very beginning throughout all its duration
and to the ends.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Of course, we know
that in the eventuality of time that this seventh-stage of the universe will
become complete.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Then there will be
the era of jubilation, that of completion, then divine mercy and divine justice
become one.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">MMc:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Can you compare divine justice with
human justice that we now have?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>With human justice as it will be expressed in our
future?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">MONJORONSON:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You
really are asking two questions, and yes, I “can” answer that question.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(Chuckling.)<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The first is that no, there is no
comparison between divine justice and earthly justice now, but that there will
be a comparable comparison to be made in the future.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This will be attendant to the
development of the era of light and life, the development of social
sustainability, such that your earthly justice is a component to the social
sustainability of the world.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It
will still, however, be limited because it is mortal and material in
nature.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It will not be able to
encompass the morontial or the spiritual or the eternal.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Therefore, the comparison will be highly
limited even in the future as your world develops and becomes socially
sustainable.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Do you
understand?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<H3 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>Integrating divine
law into human society</FONT></U></H3>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">MMc:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I know you’ve touched on this, but I
want ask the question anyway:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>How
can we integrate divine law into the life of human
society?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">MONJORONSON:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This
can be incorporated only slowly, and it is accomplished with the long-time
development and evolution of your societies and your social processes as they
strive to become more divine.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is
a stretch to use that word in this context, but as individuals—meaning leaders
and authorities who mete out justice, and who write the laws for justice—do so
in the terms of the overarching divine perspective, then it can be
integrated.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>As you are listening to
me, you know that I am struggling with words to develop the concepts in your
minds to understand what I am saying.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>You are really asking a huge question that is almost beyond your
comprehension in its totality.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Even
a partial understanding would be difficult; therefore, the simplification of my
answer needs to be brief.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When you
come into higher mindedness to appreciate the connection between yourself and
your Thought Adjuster, then you can apply those concepts of justice to your
society.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">MMc:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I understand that there is a… it is
simple to ask the question:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>How can
we express the essence of divine law in our human society, but it is very
difficult for us to contemplate exactly what divine law is, so how it would be
integrated into our society becomes a very difficult thing to explain.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I can certainly understand that, and I
thank you for trying.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>(<B>Monjoronson:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You are
most welcome.)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3>The human legal system is based on the
principle of punishment.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What
conceptual changes do you suggest we make in our legal system to bring it more
in line with the divine system?<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<H3 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>Our legal system
reflects the morality of our culture</FONT></U></H3>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">MONJORONSON:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Your
legal system that you have now, reflects the morality of your culture.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That morality is one of hindsight,
meaning that the realm of punishment is a form of justice to correct injuries
that occurred in the past.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The huge
difficulty with this is that it is not proactive.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Neither your morality nor your justice
is a proactive justice or morality that urges the individual to make right
decisions for proactive reasons for the individual or their family or
community.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is a morality of
hindsight, it is retrospective; it is not forward-looking or
forward-thinking.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Generally in your
society, when they think of doing “good,” they think of business as usual, and
when they think in terms of the morality, they think in terms of not getting
caught if they do violate the ethics and morality and laws of a society.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is quite debilitating to a society
that is in the process of growing.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>How does it grow?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Does it
mature?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Does it become older?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Did it become more progressive and
productive as a society?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Using this
old form of morality and justice, does not provide that.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3>You must move into the acceptance of a
proactive morality, one that urges people to do right for a reason, with very
obvious positive outcomes that contribute to the welfare of the individual and
of society.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We are in the process
of one of our subordinates who is working with this one in writing the book that
we entitle—at the present—“Morality for a Sustainable Civilization.”<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Civilizations, nations, societies,
communities, cities, counties, families and individuals are actually hindering
their progress as spiritual, emotional and social beings, by not having a
morality that urges them to make decisions that contribute to the good of
themselves and others.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When you
have the combined decision-making power of several billion people who are making
several decisions every day, they make a contribution to their life and those of
others in a positive way, [thus] you will end up with a very developmentally
maturing society and civilization.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Your civilization now is not only stagnating, but morally it is moving
backwards.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It does not have the
moral foundation to move forward.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>When we speak of your culture as being technically advanced, as many
worlds that are much more peaceful, we are saying that you are truly out of
balance, that you need and must devise a new morality of personal behavior, of
social behavior and international behavior—those three levels—that make huge
contributions to the future.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<H3 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>A proactive moral
base</FONT></U></H3>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">MMc:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>So, we need to change our whole
moral base so we are looking at this in a proactive
sense?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">MONJORONSON:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes,
very definitely.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoBodyTextIndent><FONT
size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoBodyTextIndent><U><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><FONT size=3>The problem of
terrorism<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></U></P>
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size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoBodyTextIndent><FONT
size=3><B>MMc:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Monjoronson, our
friend states that terrorism is a problem.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>He sees terrorists as fighting for justice, as they understand it.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>He then asked, “What are the ways that
we can resolve the terrorism problem?”</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoBodyTextIndent><FONT
size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoBodyTextIndent><FONT
size=3><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There is
nettlesome reality to self-willed beings on worlds as this, even on worlds that
are approaching the days of light and life, and that is there are always
troublemakers, there are always those who are “fighting the system,” those who
are always questioning or challenging authority whether by rhetorical questions,
confrontational questions, or from passive/aggressive sabotage.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>These individuals will come forward in
any world.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>However, when you have a
world such as Urantia, which is grossly overpopulated and which is grossly
undeveloped in its capacity to be self-sustaining socially, then there are many
people who are easily manipulated and influenced by media, by their dominant
culture, and by authority figures and those people in power.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Even when individuals willingly create
acts of terrorism without being paid for it, without being given some meaningful
compensation, they are doing so because they have chosen to do so from the
meager options that they have been enlightened with during the era of their
life.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoBodyTextIndent><FONT
size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoBodyTextIndent><FONT size=3>Some people
on your world see terrorism as a way of doing business, that the sacrifices and
the loss of life of individuals is worthwhile to the larger cause.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When you have that, and you have
individuals who feel that their lives are meaningless in any context, then
giving their life for some cause—even when they are convinced by those in power
who are manipulating them—becomes an option to do so.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There truly is no stopping the terrorism
on your world at this time, until there is a diminishment of population and an
increase in the quality of life.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Where you see terrorism, you see that the three core values of social
sustainability are not operating.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>A
most dangerous creature on your planet is a person with nothing to lose.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Options for action then become
innumerable, death becomes just another meaningless activity that they choose to
do one day of their life, the last day of their life.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Until the quality of life and living
becomes worthwhile and meaningful for individuals, then there will be many
hundreds of thousands, millions of people with meaningless lives, who are
willing to sacrifice their lives in acts of terrorism or acts of
benevolence.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The choice is
theirs.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When the worldview of
individuals is not benevolent, but all they see is desperation and torment, then
death becomes really quite a likable option.</FONT></P>
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size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoBodyTextIndent><U><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><FONT size=3>Forming a new type of political
party<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></U></P>
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size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoBodyTextIndent><FONT
size=3><B>MMc:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Our friend says
he has thought about a new type of political party that will struggle for
justice, righteousness and the highest morality according to divine rules, a
party that can be above any human religion, a party that will be able to collect
every religion under its wing and non-believers as well.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>He asks what you think of the creation
and functioning of this party.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>He
would be interested in your opinion.</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoBodyTextIndent><FONT
size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoBodyTextIndent><FONT
size=3><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We think
you will do quite well at this if there is a Melchizedek in charge.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Until there is a divine being, one of
celestial eminence, such as a Melchizedek or a Lanonandek in charge of these
projects, then you can trust that there will be mischief by the humans who will
be in charge.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Until those leaders
are well balanced, and that the needs of their ego and their personality have
come into balance, and have come into completion and wholeness so that they see
only benevolence and good as a perfect option for this political party, then
until that time, you will have great difficulty.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is not so much the organization, but
the individuals who dominate the operation and process of that organization,
that develop the culture and effectiveness of the organization.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Until that time, you will continue to
have difficulties with domination, control and authority, which will subvert any
of the best and highest ideals of any organization, for their own personal
individual ends.</FONT></P>
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size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoBodyTextIndent><FONT
size=3><B>MMc:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I think that
brings to a conclusion the questions I have for today.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Do you have any closing words for
us?</FONT></P>
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size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoBodyTextIndent><U><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><FONT size=3>Changing the world’s culture over
time<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></U></P>
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size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoBodyTextIndent><FONT
size=3><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>My
response to that last question may seem cynical, yet, on the other hand, it is
quite trustworthy in its description of the possibilities of the perfect
political party that you speak of.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>You are truly speaking of an evolved party that will exist in the
future.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You may even find that
there are no partisan politics at that time, as the interests are common to all,
and that it is simply an interpretation of how to achieve those right ends.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When you have two or more parties in
opposition to each other, then you end up with social and political
stagnation.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The political
organizing processes that you have are a reflection of many cultural
developments, many of which cannot change until there are new social inventions
brought to existence, such as this morality.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Social programs that strive to move
towards social sustainability, an educational process that begins even before
early childhood, with the parents of children to teach these individuals how to
live sustainably with other individuals, what decisions to make and actions to
take that actually make a contribution to others.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is a new culture.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoBodyTextIndent><FONT
size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoBodyTextIndent><FONT size=3>What we are
striving to do with you now, during this era, and into the next 20-50 years is
to completely change the world culture to one that is moving towards social
sustainability, where there is a morality of decision-making by each individual
that makes a contribution to the whole, as well as to that individual.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is a much different way of thinking
than exists now.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Now, even in
groups that are moving in the same direction, [as the UB/TM/MM groups] there are
vehement arguments between groups about the means of moving ahead.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yet, in fact, you have so much in common
that you should be cheering each other on!<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Know that we are working in every one of these aspects and factions of
your beliefs, to help all of you move towards the light, towards enlightenment,
towards an ascendant career that is highly productive.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Do not worry about what the others are
doing or what they believe; simply take care of your own garden and tend it
well. </FONT></P>
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style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT size=3></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoBodyTextIndent><FONT
size=3><B>MMc:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you very
much, Monjoronson.</FONT></P>
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size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
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