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<P style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in" class=MsoBodyText><STRONG><FONT
color=#008000 size=5>New Era Conversations #5 – Cyclical Nature; The Limits of
Growth – Jul. 26, 2013</FONT></STRONG></P>
<H5 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><FONT size=3>Monjoronson, Magisterial
Son<SPAN style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></H5>
<H5 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><FONT size=3><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"
/><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></H5>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3>Topics:</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><FONT size=3>What does the new era entail in its
significance toward light and life?<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><FONT size=3>The cyclical nature of our
history<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><FONT size=3>The third turning, or the
“unraveling”<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><FONT size=3>The timing of the inception of the Correcting
Time<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><FONT size=3>The beginning of this crisis
period<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><FONT size=3>The interaction of society and human
consciousness<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><FONT size=3>The end of one era and the beginning of
another<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><FONT size=3>Speculation can lead to
confusion<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><FONT size=3>The work of training more
transmitter/receivers<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><FONT size=3>Nailing down the definition of
“resources”<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><FONT size=3>What is the social mechanism for achieving
sustainability?<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><FONT size=3>The opportunities for growth in the new
economy<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><FONT size=3>The reason our current economy is
unsustainable<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><FONT size=3>The exploitation of others’ resources will
self-destruct<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><FONT size=3>The confusion may last for several
years<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><FONT size=3>We are being offered hope for the
future<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><FONT size=3>The limits of growth</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3>TR:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Daniel Raphael</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in" class=MsoNormal><FONT
size=3>Moderator:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Michael
McCray</FONT></P>
<H1 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><FONT size=3>July 26,
2013<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></H1>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3>Prayer:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN><I>Good Morning, Heavenly Father.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>We greet you this fine morning from the beautiful planet of Urantia.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We are most thankful for your
everlasting love and acceptance as your children.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We ask that our parents, Christ Michael
and Nebadonia join us as we commune with Monjoronson and his staff to learn
about the new era that we are entering for our world.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We are sincerely grateful to be given
this opportunity to help lead our world toward enlightenment and to be of
service.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Amen.</I></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><I><o:p></o:p></I></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Good morning, this is Monjoronson.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is good to be with you to engage this
new era of Urantia’s evolutionary and developmental progress.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Please begin.</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MMc:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Would you like to share more with us about what the new era entails and
its significance in Urantia’s progress towards light and life?</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><U><SPAN style="COLOR: green"><FONT size=3>What does the new era
entail in its significance toward light and life?</FONT></SPAN></U></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><U><SPAN style="COLOR: green"><FONT
size=3><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></U> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>As Charles has told you it entails the
very pragmatic cooperation between us and mortals to engage in actual social and
operational programs to uplift your planet.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is a slow process, one that will
take decades upon decades to engage more completely, and then there will be
pockets within Urantia, even after centuries that will be resistant and still be
quite primitive.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The new era takes
your cooperation with us to a much higher level of activity, one that is akin to
you, things that you can do with us at our suggestions and recommendations to
assist our programs to evolve.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Many
of you may wonder what these look like, but they are very similar in some form
to all other programs and projects of corporations and social agencies that have
development on their mind, and that extend their reach and their influence into
various areas.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3>Ours will not be much different, but the intentions
will be quite evolved and different from what a corporation or a government
agency might have in mind.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We know
that you are waiting to see what this looks like, and so we are looking forward
to our first demonstration projects that will become visible to you.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I will not reveal those now, but let
them be revealed as they come into existence and develop.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We will point these out to you as they
come into existence, and as they develop, and we will be discussing their
intentions and purposes and how this contributes to the Correcting Time and the
evolution of your world.</FONT></P>
<H3 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><U><FONT color=#008000><FONT size=3>The
cyclical nature of our history</FONT></FONT></U></SPAN></H3>
<H3 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><U><FONT color=#008000><FONT
size=3><o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></U></SPAN> </H3>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><STRONG>MMc:</STRONG><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There has been much talk, both positive
and negative about your predictions of our crisis, but when I researched the
topic I found many authorities with similar predictions as early as 1960.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I have recently read a book, “The Fourth
Turning.”*<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I find that such crises
have affected our world every 80-100 years or so, throughout recorded
history.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Would you like to speak
about this cyclic nature of our history?</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, certainly.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>From our perspective, these cycles are
very evident.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When you are in
existence, when you have lived for more than five millennia, you become aware of
the cyclicity of social evolution and development.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This has been known to us, of course,
for millions of years as we have watched other worlds and civilizations
evolve.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is something that is
natural to the social structure of inhabited planets, particularly decimal
planets that have experimental social programs, among other things that are
experimental.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>On Urantia, your
world has been observed very carefully ever since the default so many hundreds
of millennia ago.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You are aware
that your world has progressed in some ways, and that even as a mortal you can
read the historic tomes of philosophers and historians who have reflected upon
the changes in your world and its civilizations.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>For us, however, we have a much clearer
perspective of the happenings and developments of Urantian civilizations, and
yes, they are very cyclical.</FONT></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>The third
turning, or the “unraveling” </FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in" class=MsoBodyText2><FONT size=3>The
Western civilization is the dominant civilization, even though it is smaller
than the populations of China, India and the Indonesian Archipelago, so it has
tremendous influence because of its various political and economic and
expansionary policies over the last two centuries.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We are here to influence that cyclical
nature.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>As you read the cycles of a
civilization, particularly the Western civilization, yes, there are cycles of
approximately 80 years, and the authors of “The Fourth Turning,” accurately
reflect on these cycles.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What we
have observed and have projected ahead of time is that this cycle that you are
in now, which is called the “third turning or the unraveling,” is now leading
immediately into the turning called “crises,” and this is where there will be
major political, social, economic, military changes occur in your world, which
will be quite catastrophic.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The
Correcting Time was inaugurated to influence this last turning, the crises,
because your world—as we have said before—for the first time is now fully
inhabited, and this marks an era in a planet’s existence that is greatly
influential of all developments that occur after a world is fully populated.
</FONT></P>
<H4 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><U><FONT color=#008000>The timing of the
inception of the Correcting Time</FONT></U></SPAN></H4>
<H4 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><U><FONT
color=#008000><o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN> </H4>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3>The timing of the inception of the Correcting Time
has long been known [as to] when it should begin, that it would become
influential in what follows in the next saeculum, as the authors call it, the
next 80 year cycle.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You are now in
the unraveling and crisis juxtaposition of these two turnings and it is
important that the Correcting Time, Teaching Mission, Magisterial Mission and
the other various programs that you are completely unaware of, have been
instilled and inaugurated and have begun to be of influence.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The necessity of the Correcting Time to
bring these saecula, these 80 year periods, to a close, to begin to slow them
down, to have your global civilization move from these 20 year turnings into
ones that are much longer and eventually diminished.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The crises that are predicted by these
two authors have been known by us for many centuries.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They were predicted easily two millennia
ago when Christ Michael’s tenure as Jesus was completed.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>His return to Salvington began an era of
preparation for what is occurring now.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>We are using this crises era to reformat the pattern of your global
civilization, and as you have been reading about social sustainability, this is
far, far different from the social processes that are historic, almost for the
last 20,000 years of intense competition.</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3>You get the point, do you not, that this is the
last crisis for your world.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Everything globally is going to go “smash” pretty soon, within the end of
this decade, and that we are using this time to bring about a new era of social
development in your world, one that now has every possibility of success,
whereas in past turnings and past saecula, it could not be successful.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The inception of social sustainability
is the format that will be laid upon your societies in the future.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This turning will be so destructive as
to be irreconcilable by anyone, and that returning to the old methods of social
process will be inevitably self-destructive and incredibly obvious to almost
everyone who is a social, political, economic leader.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The culture of your world must change in
order for humanity to survive.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We
are here to insure that humanity does survive, and that there is a plan, a
pattern, a format that is in existence before the destruction of your
civilization, so that when it is reformed, it can do so in a very constructive
manner that leads to the days of light and life.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is the totality of the program and
projections for the Correcting Time.</FONT></P>
<H4 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><U><FONT color=#008000>The beginning of this
crisis period</FONT></U></SPAN></H4>
<H4 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><U><FONT
color=#008000><o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN> </H4>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><STRONG>MMc:</STRONG><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Charles has given us the date 2005 as
the beginning of this crisis period.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Would that date be reasonable?</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, it is quite reasonable.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You have actually seen the turning of
the unraveling, as the authors of “The Fourth Turning” call this era.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It began with the destruction of the
Twin Towers, 9/11/2001 in the United States, this has created tremendous
disruption to this nation, with repercussions around the world, and led to the
invasion of Iraq, and now the unsettling of that whole civilization in the
Middle East at this time, which is 2013.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>You ask that 2005 is the most reasonable date for the crisis era to
begin.</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MMc:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Personal history is composed of life’s four seasons—childhood, young
adulthood, maturity and old age.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>For a long life, each of these last about 20 years, or about 80-100 years
total.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Would you like to explain to
our audience how personal history and world history are linked?</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I will not engage that at this time,
thank you.</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in" class=MsoBlockText><FONT size=3><B><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">MMc:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Does each generation, by their position in history, form an archetype, or
are these archetypes biologically hard-wired?</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in" class=MsoBlockText><FONT size=3><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Neither.</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MMc:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Neither?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Okay.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That’s the conclusion of the authors of
the book.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>So, when you said you
didn’t want to explain [to] the audience how personal history and world history
are linked, the second question that I asked you is mute at that point,
probably.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>But, it’s interesting
that you answered “neither.”</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I don’t wish to get into a literary
analysis of the authors’ book.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That
is not the reason for this format of our discussions.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The book is simply a means by which
readers can come to understand the cyclical nature of individuals’ lives and of
their societies, and how those lives are influenced by society and vice
versa.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What you are trying to say
is “do individuals have influence on the cycles of humanity, of cycles of
societies?”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And the answer is yes,
very definitely.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When people fail
to make decisions, then they fail to influence the future of their world and
simply are victims of history, the decisions that have been made in the
past.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is important that
societies, individuals—particularly individuals—begin to make decisions that
influence the future of their personal lives, family lives, their community,
their society and their world.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Without this, there would be no positive, constructive hope for the
future.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>The
interaction of society and human consciousness</FONT></U></H2>
<DIV style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"> </DIV>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3>Though the cycles may seem to be self-evident and
even hard-wired into your genetic system, they are not; they are part of the
process of the action and interaction of society and the human consciousness on
your planet.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>For this particular
era, it is <B>critical</B> that individuals make decisions to make contributions
to the larger good of their civilization, and to make that altruistically,
unselfishly, without regard to competition or for reward.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The future of your world, your
civilization, your nation and your society, will not come into its fullness and
greatness without the decisions of those individuals who do not seek profits,
but seek to benefit humanity and all humankind throughout the world, regardless
of their nationality, culture, race or religion.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is evidence of the best aspects of
the Correcting Time, Teaching Mission and Magisterial Mission.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This must occur; individuals must make
decisions.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If individuals do not
make decisions, then this new era that we are speaking about will not come into
existence, but will be stillborn and not viable, and your civilization will
suffer the results. </FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MMc:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Is there more that you would like to share with us on this
topic?</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Not at this time, unless you have some
questions that lead in that direction that is profitable for us.</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MMc:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>I do have several other questions, but you’ve covered those already.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Let me go back to the drawing board and
see if I can come up with more.</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Certainly, there is much that we can
talk about.</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MMc:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Certainly.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The situation
with this crisis—and you touched on how to get through it in the past—and that
it would take our work now in order to seed the future with enough information
that it might become socially viable, as you say.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I’m searching for a question that comes
off the top of my head, but unfortunately, you’ve answered those.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I’m sure that as we get further into
this crisis, we are going to have—because our audience is participating with
us—many more questions about what is going on here, but I’m going to turn from
this topic, if that’s okay with you at this time?</FONT></P>
<H4 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><U><FONT color=#008000>The end of one era
and the beginning of another</FONT></U></SPAN></H4>
<H4 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><U><FONT
color=#008000><o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN> </H4>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><STRONG>MONJORONSON:</STRONG><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>One moment.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What you are experiencing is a pregnant
pause in the silence that we have right now among and between us.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We have closed out one era of activity
and revelation with you and are about to begin a new era, yet there is no
evidence that the new era has begun for you or for the readers to appreciate
that it has, thus the inactivity is confusing, I would imagine, and presents
itself as a conundrum of what to talk about.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is unfortunate that mortals seem to
require, particularly in the Western civilization, rapid response and rapid
developments, yet in the work of spirit in the material world, there is a rhythm
to it—not cycles, but a rhythm—and that there is a beat and pulse that gives
rise to change.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Right now we are at
the middle point between the fall and the rise of two cycles, so there is a
stillness which is apparent to you, and which you are striving to discern and
define more clearly.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Am I
correct?</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MMc:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Yes, I’m trying to look forward into the future and define what that
future holds for us.</FONT></P>
<H4 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><U><FONT color=#008000>Speculation can lead
to confusion</FONT></U></SPAN></H4>
<H4 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><U><FONT
color=#008000><o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN> </H4>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><STRONG>MONJORONSON:</STRONG><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Speculation is not profitable and can
lead to confusion for yourself and for the readers, if we pursue this
further.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Speculation about what
will occur is not quite as useful or pragmatic as discussing what is
occurring.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That is why you are
having difficulty because nothing is happening in appearance to you now.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>But we request and ask you to let this
lie and we had said a couple weeks ago that there might be a necessity of a
hiatus to wait for some developments.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>So let us not work on speculation about what may become, as this is very
confusing for some who take these speculations as reality, and it is not
profitable but leads to confusion and to dismay on the part of those who have
actually believed that speculative language and conversation.</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MMc:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Thank you.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I understand
completely what you are telling me, as completely as I can.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>So, let’s change the subject to
something that is more pragmatic.</FONT></P>
<H4 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><U><FONT color=#008000>The work of training
more transmitter/receivers</FONT></U></SPAN></H4>
<H4 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><U><FONT
color=#008000><o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN> </H4>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3>Where does the work of training more TRs
stand?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Is it done?</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>No, far from it!<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We have only teased you with
possibilities.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The necessity of
training TRs is vital, but what we are finding is that many individuals who have
heard the work of TRs see this as an objective practice, much like practicing
your times tables.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>However, this is
a development—TRing is a development that comes out of your meditative practice,
one that is developmental and evolutionary and spiritually uplifting.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is the passage from simply being one
of the audience to being in the conversation with those who are presenting.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>So, it is something that can be
developed with the correct intentions.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>To simply become a clairaudient channel is not of any value in itself,
but to have the intention to reveal God’s Will, God’s work through Christ
Michael and Nebadonia’s corps of angels, now that is another matter, and that
has a different purpose, and it will most surely have our support.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>TRing is a vital function of our work,
and the capability of what we can do.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>This skill needs to be developed in many others.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>No, TRing and the teaching of TRing and
practice of TRing and its development is not dead.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Once this new pragmatic era of work
begins to be expressed, one of the programs that will rise again are the
Melchizedek Schools and the intentional practice of teaching individuals to
enter into the deeper stillness, into the realm of “no thought,” with the
intention of being open and receptive to hear the voice of celestial and
spiritual beings.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you for
your question; it is very timely.</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MMc:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Well, thank you for your answer!</FONT></P>
<H4 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><U><FONT color=#008000>Nailing down the
definition of “resources”</FONT></U></SPAN></H4>
<H4 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><U><FONT
color=#008000><o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN> </H4>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><STRONG>MMc:</STRONG><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>An audience member sent me several
questions that he has concerning a sustainable global economy in Conversations
with you, #77.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I wonder if I could
ask those of you now?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>(<B>Monjoronson:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Certainly.)<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>According to
you, he said in the future resources are available to all.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What is the means for doing this?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>How does one begin to make resources
more broadly available?</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>First, you must define what are the
resources.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(Pause)<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Do you have an answer for
that?</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MMc:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Well, I would suggest that it was… looking back and reading over what you
had said before, I felt that the resources meant those things that are vital for
people to have quality of life.</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We knew what we were saying when we said
it and it is important that the audience clearly understand what those resources
are.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If you are referring to
physical resources like food, water, arable land and so on, petroleum products
and paper and trees, etc., then you have missed the mark.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The resources that are available
certainly exist to transform your whole world into a highly civilized developed
world that is at peace.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yet, those
resources are not being used and many have been forgotten as being
available.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The assumption is that
they are not there.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>One of the
primary resources that is necessary to create a sustainable global economy is
the relationship of individuals to materiality and the acquisition of those
material goods, which is oftentimes represented now in the terms of money and
account balances, which is just a series of numbers and figures in a ledger
somewhere.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>So, the resources that
are available are many and diverse and until your cultural leaders can reinvent
the idea of a global economy based on something other than material goods, and
monetization of those goods, there will be no progress.</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3>I hope I do not confuse you by saying these
things.</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MMc:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>No, you haven’t confused me, but I do want to ask you if I have missed
the mark with material, thinking of resources being material objects and
things.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What is meant by
“resources” in this regard?<SPAN style="COLOR: #993300"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></SPAN>Can you clarify what you mean by
resources, please?</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I have striven to do that just now, that
the resources available are not material; they are not goods; they are not food;
they are not water; it is not arable land.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>It is literally the attitude and definitions that must be changed in
people’s mind about what resources are.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>When you have gold, for instance, you see this as a scarce commodity and
it has a high price.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When you see
capable individuals as a scarce commodity, then they will be valued
greatly.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>But yet, your people, your
cultures, your political systems do not see individual people and the populace
as a resource that can be improved, whose qualities and values must be made more
valuable.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Resources that we are
speaking about are the whole totality of a social organism of millions of people
to bring about other results than just producing more goods and services for
money.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is the most primitive,
simplistic way of thinking about resources.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Does this help?</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MMc:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Yes.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I wasn’t as confused as
my reader in this regard.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I
understood that the resources are the totality of everything…</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I believe you, as a moderator, have used
your questions to assist your confused reader and question-asker into greater
clear understanding.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Do you believe
that you have accomplished that?</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MMc:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>I believe we have.</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I am not trying to be difficult with
you, there is a point of…</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MMc:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>No, you are not.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The
situation is that the reader is confused about this and has a list of questions
that demonstrate his confusion.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Let
me pose another one for you:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If
sustainable is not politically based, what is the social mechanism for achieving
it?</FONT></P>
<H4 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><U><FONT color=#008000>What is the social
mechanism for achieving sustainability?</FONT></U></SPAN></H4>
<H4 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><U><FONT
color=#008000><o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN> </H4>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><STRONG>MONJORONSON:</STRONG><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is the desire of individuals to live
a more peaceful life, one that has continuity without the disruptions of
impoverishment and of war and social unrest and social disintegration.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The political mechanism is one that is
partisan, which is divisive, which is exclusive, which separates individuals
into various camps of opinion.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Political solutions for social sustainability will never come into
existence.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is not possible for a
political system to devise socially sustainable solutions.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Socially sustainable solutions are
devised and emanate from the very minds of the individual lives of those who
live ordinary lives in their communities.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>It is their necessity to have balance and stability that will bring about
social sustainability.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It has
always been the individuals at the local level who have greatest influence over
the political system when they see the necessity of doing so.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Once democracies have begun, the idea of
shared responsibility becomes part of the mindset of everyone.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Those in power and control have the
mindset of monarchs and despots and dictators—totalitarianism at its extremes,
sometimes.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>But the responsibilities
for social change have always begun with individuals and this is where it will
change once more.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When individuals
are so desperately impoverished, so desperately disadvantaged by circumstances
beyond their control, they will unite to express that control by individuals
coming together.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You are seeing
this happening now in the Middle East, where individuals are frustrated by even
some of the smallest difficulties and they unite and begin to exert influence
upon those in control.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>As was said
in the news recently about Syria:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>There is no military solution to this; it must be by joint consideration
and peaceful union.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MMc:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>He wonders, in the new global economy, is the “something that you are
getting for your labor” an opportunity to access the resources for
growth?</FONT></P>
<H4 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><U><FONT color=#008000>The opportunities for
growth in the new economy</FONT></U></SPAN></H4>
<H4 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><U><FONT
color=#008000><o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN> </H4>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><STRONG>MONJORONSON:</STRONG><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>No.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Let me explain.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Society sees the necessity of providing
those opportunities to individuals, not out of sole provision from the public,
but on the symbiotic relationship between the individual and society.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Society, for its own sustainability must
provide opportunities for growth in order for individuals to improve the quality
of their lives.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Money for something
is an equation that works in an older economy, but in a newer economy, those
opportunities are presented to individuals simply because societies come to the
understanding that doing so assists the society <I>and</I> individuals in
becoming sustainable.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Opportunities
do not come as a matter of making money from your labor to buy or pay for
tuition and the opportunities that come.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>It could be that individuals in a new economy provide themselves as
obligated social service, in order to receive those opportunities.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is certainly reasonable and a
rational way of assisting individuals and the society in developing to become
more socially sustainable.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I hope
this answer helps.</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MMc:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>I believe it will.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You had
said that… explaining a sustainable global economy would be confusing to us, and
it is.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is going to require a
180-degree turn in our thinking and in our moral values, is it not?</FONT></P>
<H4 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><U><FONT color=#008000>The reason our
current economy is unsustainable</FONT></U></SPAN></H4>
<H4 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><U><FONT
color=#008000><o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN> </H4>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><STRONG>MONJORONSON:</STRONG><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Your current economy is unsustainable;
it is unsustainable because it is based on competition and the acquisition of
resources and the profits from use of those resources, and so it is
unsustainable because the acquisition of those resources are not returned to
improve the betterment of individuals, of families and communities.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And so, if they then become used in your
existent economy for increased profits and returns to those who already own
them, increasing their wealth, but without positive return to the population,
this is unsustainable as it exists; it is part of the old “winner takes all”
method of competitive economic development.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Your way of thinking is ingrained with
this archaic and unsustainable method of process of economy.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3>I struggle to infuse you with concepts that are so
alien to your thinking.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You have
moved from agrarian societies where you have an acreage and you harvest the
grains and make the bread for your family, and so on, and the excess you sell on
the market, at the marketplace.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>So,
the process has gone into exploitation of broader fields, so to speak, of
natural resources in other countries to gather these to those who have the power
to overtake foreign countries in a colonial or neocolonial method of
acquisition, and so the resources are returned to those who are most privileged,
without regard to those who live in those other countries, whether it is your
own county, or whether it is another foreign country.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is unsustainable.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<H4 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><U><FONT color=#008000>The exploitation of
others’ resources will self-destruct</FONT></U></SPAN></H4>
<H4 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><U><FONT
color=#008000><o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN> </H4>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3>The exploitation of other people in other nations
is an archaic method of developing a civilization, one that is necessary for a
time in order for economies to grow, but the mindset of a global economy must
change in order for global civilization to exist.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You have created a separation in your
thinking between a nation and a global economy, but they are intrinsically
involved and keep the acquisition exploitation of nations going for decades and
centuries, but eventually, that will wind down and self-destruct.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is now required, during this crises
era that we spoke of just a few minutes ago, that your global economy be
redefined.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The dynamics of a global
economy require that there be a sharing of resources.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Obviously, in a world that is grossly
overpopulated, this is impossible to do, so this crisis will continue as I have
told you, years ago, that there will be a vast decimation of the human
species.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We project now that your
human species will come to the balance of approximately 2.7 billion people
around your world.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is
sufficient to maintain your economies, locally, nationally and globally, and is
at the level that is needed to maintain that level and not grow.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It may wither further, due to some
circumstances, to 2.2 billion, but it is helpful to have it between 2.5 and 3.0
billion people.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>More than 3 billion
requires the dilution of resources that are needed to grow healthy individuals,
socially, emotionally, and culturally.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3>What you see now is that 7.3 billion people,
approximately, have the resources of your world divided among them.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Some of you have a tremendous amount of
resources, more than you could ever use in your lifetime, or any generations of
your family in the future.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is
an egregious example of a global economy gone haywire.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is unfair, to say the least.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What we will be doing in this era of
unraveling and crises will be to instill the thoughts and concepts of social
sustainability, which must be interpreted and applied as individuals,
communities and societies can do, are capable of doing, at the level of their
understanding.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Just as there has
been a development of nuclear and sub-atomic physics, there will be the greater
understanding of these social dynamics of sustainability as they are developed
in your society.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3>I have gone far astray from your question; I hope
to give you further understanding of what we are up to, and what you are up
against.</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MMc:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>I thank you for enlarging on my question.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>A lot of our audience is having a
difficult time getting their heads turned around so that they can begin to
understand what… not necessarily what life will be like on a physical basis, but
the moral and psychological basis they are going to have to adapt to in order to
get through this.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I see some people
will write me with questions that are right on; others, their questions
obviously show that they don’t understand the material that is being presented
to them.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And, so, am I presenting
this material to you in the way that I have chosen to do it, trying to point out
to you that some of our people are confused and perhaps they will need more
information in order to lead them to understand where we are and where we are
going.</FONT></P>
<H4 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><U><FONT color=#008000>The confusion may
last for several years</FONT></U></SPAN></H4>
<H4 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><U><FONT
color=#008000><o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN> </H4>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><STRONG>MONJORONSON:</STRONG><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What is most difficult for you is that
this confusion may last for several years.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>There are whole generations that go through confusing eras, not
understanding where they are or where they are going, but they see clearly the
generation before them.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In
referring to “The Fourth Turning,” as you have read it, and this is not unusual
to be confused.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>For some people,
the confusion will last a long time, until it is made obvious to them—and
sometimes even when it is obvious, they will disagree with it and reject
it.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thus, they continue to remain
confused.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Confusion of a whole
generation is not unusual.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You have
individuals now in your culture who are of an age who do seem confused; they see
their parents and past generations going into retirement and realize that they
will never be retired; they will never access the resources that will enable
them to be retired, and will not be able to access the resources that will
unlock and develop the potential that they know is within them.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is most frustrating and very
confusing for them and they seek within themselves for answers and they find
none.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They seek outside for answers
and they see the possibility, but do not have the access to grasp them.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Surely, this confusion of many of your
readers will be quite normal.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3>We are striving to assist individuals to understand
what we are doing, and what we are doing is slowly moving and bending your whole
Western culture of over 2 billion people to move into an era of social
sustainability.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Obviously, many of
those will resist and will not have a clue as to what we are doing.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Others will see these macro-view
movements of ours to bend your culture and understand it and will work with
us.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Some individuals have had
difficulty conforming to their existence in society and may leap to what we are
presenting and come across very quickly.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>We hope that the vast majority of people will be educated to understand
what the future is going to be, and will accept it and voluntarily and
consciously and intentionally move towards it with their decisions and their
actions and their lives.</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><B>MMc:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Do you have anything to say to us in closing, Sir?</FONT></P>
<H4 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><U><FONT color=#008000>We are being offered
hope for the future</FONT></U></SPAN></H4>
<H4 style="MARGIN: auto 0.3in 0pt 0in"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><U><FONT
color=#008000></FONT></U></SPAN> </H4>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><STRONG>MONJORONSON:</STRONG><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We are offering you hope, hope for the
future as your weeks and months and years progress or digress, or regress, as
the case may be from your point of view.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>We are here to offer you hope for the future, a plan for your life, for
your children and grandchildren and future progeny, to live out in a much more
peaceful and stable world.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You who
are reading this now will experience some of the most devastating disasters of
all human kind.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What your world is
now going through and will go through has never been experienced before on such
a level and such a scale that will now encompass your whole world.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You had what you called World Wars, but
they will pale in dimension compared to the changes that will be wrought upon
your world in the next decade.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I
offer this not as “disaster speak,” but as something of reality for you to grasp
at the hope that is presented to you.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3>You will not find offers of hope larger than what
we offer you here.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You will not
find hope in the words of your politicians, or even of your church pastors,
ministers and priests and rabbis, of the dimension that we offer.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They offer the hope that in the
afterlife you will have a peaceful life.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>We are offering you the hope to participate in the work to bring your
world into peace, stability and social sustainability in the lifetime of your
grandchildren.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is far off and
some of you will have passed long before this becomes reality and many of you of
course, will see the disasters of your world.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We are not trying to scare you, not at
all.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We are not trying to frighten
you; we are trying to apprise you of the reality of your world, which moves so
slowly, so slowly, most of the time that you let yourself enter into a stupor of
near sleep and unconsciousness to what is happening around you.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3>My friends, you will see as the past generations
have seen the turning of your world within a day’s time or a week’s time into a
different era, one that is desperately at odds with the past and with an unknown
future.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is quite a
juxtaposition, is it not?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Where the
progress of your world moves slowly, but its destruction and its disintegration
can occur within days, weeks and a couple of months, and surely, this is what
you will see.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3>There is no hope for your civilization outside of
our assistance.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You do not have the
political leaders or the non-profit leaders to lead you into the future that
will lead to social stability, and you, on one hand, may see that this is
hopeless, that there is no human mind, no human intellect, no human culture or
human leadership that has the capacity to fix this problem.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is certainly dismaying.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>While you see it as disheartening and
leaves you at a loss, we are here to offer you a very pragmatic co-creative
process for bringing good into your world where you are empowered, where there
is hope there is the possibility.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>We are looking at the realization that without assistance—outside
assistance, divine assistance— that you are hopeless and helpless.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>At that time, perhaps, you will be able
to overcome your ego centers of power and authority and control to realize that
you do need someone else to assist you, someone who does have a clue, someone
who does have a plan, someone who does hold hope out for you that co-creatively
you can bring about the desired future that you all wish to live for.
</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><U><SPAN style="COLOR: green">The limits
of growth</SPAN></U></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><U><SPAN
style="COLOR: green"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></U></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3>Some of you will buy the book, “The Fourth
Turning,” and some of you will read it—many will not, of course—but those who do
will realize where you are.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I would
also offer some other predictive materials that have been presented to your
societies decades ago.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We spoke one
time of the Club of Rome, which sponsored a research project, which was entitled
“The Limits of Growth.”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We suggest
that you search that out on your Internet.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Also, there was an update 30 years later, in the early 2000’s, which
reviewed the same material and came to the same conclusion.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The United Nations also came to that
conclusion on its own initiative in a study of similar nature; they came to the
same conclusion.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This conclusion is
not any different than Thomas Malthus discovered centuries ago, is it not?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>He discerned that there was a limit to
growth.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You are now living out that
limit.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There were also those,
Albert B. Bartlett, a Professor Emeritus at the University of Colorado who has
spoken about the limits of growth for the last 30-40 years, and he was totally
accurate and correct that there are limits to growth.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is not new.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
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class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3>[While] what I have told you years ago about the
decimation of your global population seems new to you, certainly it is not to
your human forecasters, your futurists, your realists, your demographers and
economists and strategic planners.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>They all have known this for a long time.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Why do you think that your economic
stock markets are so speculative this time?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is because they know it is time to
make money because in the future it will all go “kaput.”<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They know that; but you have not known
it.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You were surprised, you were
shocked, you were dismayed at this possibility, but many have known it and many
are making money off of it right now.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>We are trying to wake you up.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>It is good to be innocent—true innocence is worthwhile; it is something
to be preserved and honored, but naïveté, certainly not!<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Good day.</FONT></P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.3in 0pt 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3>[Note:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>The book mentioned is “The Fourth Turning,” by William Strauss and Neil
Howe and is available from Amazon.com.]</FONT></P>
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