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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoBodyText><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff
size=5>New Era Conversations #8 – Cataclysms; Syria; Population Control – Sep.
13, 2013</FONT></STRONG></P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Teacher:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><B><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">Monjoronson</SPAN></B></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Topics:</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">Spiritual vision is in at least seven
dimensions<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">Recent cataclysms<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">Those undergoing social destruction and
disintegration<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">Your prayers to God are heard—his Sons are here to help
you<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">The Father’s Will, the Correcting Time and Planetary
Management<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">The intentional differences between TUB, CWM and
NEC<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">Monjoronson speaks on subject of Syria<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">What are the celestial intentions regarding
Syria?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">Why can you not solve all our problems by
fiat?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">What is meant by ‘elimination’ of
Assad?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">Unable to see U.S. as a moral upholder<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">What happened in Iraq?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">Alternatives for controlling human
populations<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">Clarification on ‘holding actions’ concerning
pandemics<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">Can mankind make the tough decisions about population
control?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">Finding commonalities in human societies is not
impossible<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>TR:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Daniel Raphael</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Moderator:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Michael McCray</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H1 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3>September 13, 2013</FONT></H1>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Prayer:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><I>Eternal Father, we come to you with
open hearts and open minds ready to serve you and our brethren for the higher
good.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We ask for the presence and
support of Christ Michael and Mother Spirit during this meeting with Monjoronson
and his staff, that we may be enlightened with wisdom, meanings and values for
the good of Urantia and ourselves.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Amen.</I></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></B>Good morning, this is
Monjoronson.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Roxie and MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Good morning!</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is good to speak with you again, my
friends.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Do you have questions or
concerns?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, but would you like to speak with us
before we begin our questions?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>Spiritual vision
is in at least seven dimensions</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, thank you.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We, who are of Christ Michael’s realm
and from Paradise, have far different perspectives of your world than you
do.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We have vision that is at least
in seven dimensions, whereas you have only vision in three dimensions.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yet, even those of you who are of
limited perspectives can see that your world is deeply in trouble.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Many of you now are beginning to witness
what a cataclysm is all about, as they are becoming delivered to your front door
by the weather and by other circumstances.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>It is one thing to have a cataclysm of a social, political or economic
revolution or a civil war; it is quite another to experience cataclysms from
weather, from the earth, from mud slides, floods and so on.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>One affects your material living, and
the other affects the social, psychological, spiritual and the holism of your
inner world that affects how you view the world.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Conflicts and social cataclysms between
people are those that are the most destructive; they seem to corrode and
disintegrate the human spirit more thoroughly and completely than physical
disasters and cataclysms.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>Recent
cataclysms</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Though you may have lost your
home in a flood or a tornado, most people have each other after that tragedy,
whereas in social cataclysms many lives are shattered, and even far more lives
are affected by the loss and destruction of those other lives and lifestyles,
careers, families and social connections.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>There are those who say after a physical cataclysm, “Thank God we have
each other,” and then you realize the difference, you can be thankful that you
have your social, personal, intimate relationships with each other, whereas in
civil war and revolutions you lose each other and many times you lose yourself
as well in the destruction.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>I take no satisfaction or delight
at all in the accuracy of predictions we made so many years ago.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We knew that they would be coming true
in actuality, that you would experience cataclysms very personally and
intimately, or at a distance.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>But
you are now in the beginning throes of the cataclysms, the crises of this era,
the “crisis turning” of this saeculum as the authors of “The Fourth Turning”
suggest.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You can see then, how you
are fortunate to still be alive—even though you are inconvenienced by these high
waters and fierce winds, and perhaps even having to rebuild your home—you have
time now to think about designing sustainable social organizations and
institutions and processes, so that when communities are rebuilt, whole families
can be rebuilt, whole communities can be rebuilt, because the patterns will be
there for you to use.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That is why
we have come to you so early — before the cataclysms come to you personally and
intimately, that you would have time to prepare for these difficulties.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoBodyTextIndent>[Note:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Monjoronson is referring to the
horrendous floods that are ongoing in Colorado, as well as other weather
phenomena throughout the nation.]</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>Those undergoing
social destruction and disintegration</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>For those families, communities,
societies and nations that are undergoing social destruction and disintegration
involving most social institutions, it is not too late.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The awareness of sustainable
social designs may escape most people’s attention, as it would appear so
idealistic, so remote, so removed from the possibility of what they see around
them, that they will not even engage in the possibility of these designs.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Only those most idealistic individuals
in universities, in the social sciences areas would even consider engaging the
social sustainability design team process and the implementation process.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There are nations which are unaffected
by these social cataclysms.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They
and you have time to begin this wonderful work of ending the cycles of ups and
downs of history, both those economic, political, social ups and downs, and the
cyclical nature of society and civilization that has been typical of all
civilizations in the past.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>Your prayers to
God are heard—his Sons are here to help you</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>You pray to God to help you, and
so God’s Sons are here to help you.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>We Avonal Sons, Melchizedek Sons, Creator Sons and mortal brother and
sister sons are here, knowing how to proceed.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is a matter then of opening your
minds to accept the possibility of growth and social holism.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You pray so often; you pray for peace,
but there is a transition that must be traversed between now and peace.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Asking for peace as a sudden happening
of a sudden event—<I>vis-à- vis</I>, a miracle, a fiat of God, of Christ
Michael—is in the most unlikeliest and remote circumstance to occur.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You are on an experiential journey of
learning—where your personal life and as a member of a family, and as a
community—how to traverse from the travesties of your life and disorder to
peace.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Many have done that in their
own personal, intimate, spiritual lives, how to be at peace in the midst of
cataclysm and chaos.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>So too, the
journey of societies is even more difficult as it requires the ordered minds of
many who know how to proceed with a methodology that results in peace, no matter
how long it takes, how tedious it might be, and how much concerted effort must
be applied.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is the path; this
is the means; this is the path that Jesus walked, the Buddha walked, Lao’-tze’
walked and so on.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>All the masters
have walked this path from chaos to peace.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>There is a plan now for societies to do the same.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>The Father’s Will,
the Correcting Time and Planetary Management</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>How does “doing the Father’s Will,” the
Correcting Time and Planetary Management converge?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In your life!<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They converge in your co-creative,
personal anticipation [of] welcoming to God’s guidance from within.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They converge through the plans that God
has made for each individual’s life, listening to the still small voice within,
rather than your FaceBook page on your smart phone.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It begins by reflecting upon your
life.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>All these huge conjunctures
begin with the individual being open to be led.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>The intentional
differences between TUB, CWM and NEC</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Why does there appear to be such a
disparity between what is espoused by <I>The Urantia Book</I> for the
development of our world and what we are seeing in the Conversations with
Monjoronson and the New Era Conversations transcripts?<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: red"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The differences are radical, are they
not?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is not that they are meant
to be radical, but that their intentions are radically different.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The intention of <I>The Urantia Book</I>
was as a permanent reference to where you are as an individual in relationship
to your family, your community, your world, the universe and to God.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is a reference for your journey; it
is [for] understanding the signposts of your journey, knowing where you are and
how to proceed.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is a map; it is
an individual’s map to understanding the universe without reference to any
religions, without reference to any philosophies—simply a grand disclosure,
limited in its extent, but nonetheless a grand disclosure, compared to any other
cosmological explanation that has been delivered to your world.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is a book; it is full of wonderful
material.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It does not tell you how
to proceed as a society; it gives you examples.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It gives you the wonderful example of
Jesus in his life, as an example for your personal life—how to be gentle, how to
be kind, tolerant, patient, how to forebear the tragedies and travesties of
personal relationships.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is not a
prescription for your world.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>This is where these
“conversations” come in, is to explain to you what is happening in your world,
using the reference of <I>The Urantia Book</I> and the cosmological
interpretations and explanations that are presented.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You have these principles in mind, but
there is no blueprint to rehabilitate your societies.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There is no blueprint of how to create
even sustainable societies, is there?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>There is not.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is done
experientially through individuals who have faith that God lives and acts in
their life experientially, knowingly, day-to-day, moment-by-moment how to
proceed.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The juncture is through
the curious individual who has the reference of <I>The Urantia Book</I> in mind
and has a willingness to do God’s Will—to <U>will</U> to do God’s Will—and ask,
“Now what can I do?” to know what is before us.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>“Show me my opportunities; let me have
opportunities to make choices for proceeding in my life [as to] how to fulfill
God’s Will.”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: .5in"
class=MsoFooter> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>The New Era Conversations and
Conversations with Monjoronson are large-scale descriptions of how to live your
life experientially.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The New Era
Conversations are those which are shared more intimately about the factual
nature of a conscious relationship with spirit and how to act and enact the Will
of God in your life to uplift the social institutions of your world.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Our conversations with you will become
more, and more, and more specific.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>The co-creative relationship is an intimate relationship between us and
you, and you and us.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Many of you
have relied upon coincidence, happenstance and serendipity; these are wonderful
facets that show you that you are on the path, you are in the groove, you are on
your way, you are connected with spirit.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Yet, they are<SPAN style="COLOR: red"> </SPAN>still remote compared to a
powerful and energetic co-creative relationship where you <B><I>know</I></B> how
to command actions into existence that are in alignment with God’s Will.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Remember that what the son
desires and the Father Wills, is!<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>So, you begin to learn how to be an actor of God’s Will in your
lives.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>All of this, the grand
scheme of things, <I>The Urantia Book</I>, the Correcting Time, the Teaching
Mission, Magisterial Mission—these are all experiential educational
factors.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><I>The Urantia Book</I>
provides a sound, solid and stable and unwavering foundation upon which to act
out your reforming, reconstructing and recreating sustainable social
institutions.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Along the way,
millions and billions of people will learn how to be in alignment and agreement
with God’s Will.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Christ Michael is
an incredibly ingenious Creator Son, to take this tremendous, chaotic
environment of Urantia and turn it into a highly effective Urantian spiritual
school.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>Monjoronson speaks
on subject of Syria</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: .5in"
class=MsoFooter> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In our last session with Charles, it
looked like the U.S. was about to launch an air and missile strike on
Syria.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Since then, Obama has
decided to consult the United Nations and Congress, and now it appears that that
there might be a diplomatic solution.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>How do you feel about this?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Delay is in everyone’s interests.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Delay provides for other
opportunities.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If your neighbor
should come and appear to violate your property, and you come to the fence that
is between you and him, and you immediately punch him in the eye, then there is
little recourse for other solutions, is there not?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And so, in this situation [with Syria]
delay is in the interest of everyone; it may have much to do with the bruising
of the ego of America in the eyes of the world, but the humility is always a
wonderful facet of great growth.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>The dominating bully attitude of some nations, whether they are
democratic or otherwise, is not an example that we wish to have you emulate, but
of patience and forbearance and seeking alternative solutions.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>What happened with Mr. Kerry
making the comment out of the corner of his mouth, so to speak, about
sequestering and turning over the nerve gas to the United Nations or an
International body was an option that was given to him, that came to his mind,
rather <I>suddenly</I>, and although it is said that his comments were not
scripted, they are nonetheless highly useful.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Our light beings are highly adept at
assisting you at every level whether you are in the moments of intimate
reflection and meditation, or whether you are standing in front of an audience
of millions, the opportunity to bring to mind options is something that our
hierarchy of light is fully capable of doing for anyone.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is advantageous for the work of
Christ Michael in the Correcting Time that this be delayed.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There will be many opportunities in the
future to destabilize the Middle East and eventually the world, but why not let
us delay that as long as possible?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Every delay is in all of our
interests’.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Will Assad give up all
of his chemical weapons?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We do not wish to speculate about the
minutiae of these events, please.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>What are the
celestial intentions regarding Syria?</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>All right.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Would you tell us, please, what your
intentions are and what influence you have over correct developments regarding
Syria?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is the same for the world; it is to
continue to give people options for actions.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Once individuals make decisions, those
decisions are sovereign.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You know
that we will not overturn any decision of any individual.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We have the capacity to influence
councils of individuals by giving individuals of those bodies options for
thinking or decision-making or action.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>You still do not see that this is a long, long, long-term effort in which
we continue to increase the pressure, much as a hydraulic hand pump, one small
increment at a time.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There is a
check valve that does not let it leak back.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We are moving ahead; there is nothing
that can stall us or stop us; we will not cease our efforts to bring your world
into light.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That is why our appeal
to you for co-creative partners is so strong, and that those individuals who
will work with us co-creatively are being brought out of the closets.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They will have ideas and options
presented to you—meaning your people of Urantia—for your societies in ways which
will bring about effective growth and development.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We will not heal your world by a <I>fait
accompli, </I>a miracle; this is not going to happen!<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That is wishful thinking, and wishful
thinking stalls taking action.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>Why can you not
solve all our problems by fiat?</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Can you explain to our audience why you
can’t solve all our problems by fiat, or by miracle from the Creator?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is not the policy of Christ
Michael.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You live on an
experiential world; growth is achieved by experience.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You are also on an experimental, decimal
planet and this requires that there be even less interference in the progress of
societies and of individuals and of your whole planet, even at the biological
level.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The ascendant journey is
about growth; it is about making decisions—and not only making decisions, but
taking actions that fulfill those decisions.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I have told you many times that the
individual, the man who says, “Well, I’ve made a decision.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That’s that!<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That’s complete,” but does the
individual do anything?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>No.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The decision is worthless without
action.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Action is a demonstration
of the capacity to fulfill a decision; it shows direction, fulfillment of
intent.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Intentions are good, they
show a direction, but it is the action taken upon that intention that fulfills
it, and this counts far more.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>What is meant by
‘elimination’ of Assad?</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Charles stated that he felt that Assad
was an amoral leader and he should be eliminated.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Many in our audience find it difficult
to believe that a being of light would suggest the elimination of anyone.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Can you explain this for us, please?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Many of you leap to animalistic
conclusions about our words that we use.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Charles did not suggest that you should all take knives and go at him
like Brutus and his crew did to Caesar, are we?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>How Mr. Assad is eliminated can be done
in many ways: it can be done economically, it can be done socially, it can be
done politically.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We are not in the
business of physical assassination; we are not in the business of spiritual
assassination.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Mr. Assad has made
many [wrong] decisions, yet he is a child of God; he has many opportunities
ahead to make decisions concerning his spiritual career.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It would be nice to have him eliminated
from the position he has to make decisions [that] end the lives of many of his
citizens.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It would be advantageous
if he were retired and exiled, much as Bonaparte was.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Charles is a former mortal; he is
a high being of tremendous accomplishments.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>His recommendations were not for the
physical elimination of Mr. Assad.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>We are not a mafia of light.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>We are a hierarchy of light from the Paradise Father and we do his Will,
and encourage all others to do God’s Will.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Those who cut short the mortal side of the spiritual careers of their
mortal brothers and sisters cheat your world and their victims of much good that
could develop.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It works against
everyone’s ascendant career.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes,
it is true that God will, in the end, clean up your mess and make things right,
nonetheless it takes time and is in the best interests of everyone to assist
each other to grow, rather than eliminating their lives early.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Is there more to this question that you
would like me to answer?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>No, I think you’ve explained it very
well.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>As you say, I jumped to the
wrong conclusion in looking at this, and there are many ways that Assad can be
eliminated without being terminated, and I thank you for your explanation.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You are most welcome.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: .5in"
class=MsoFooter> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>Unable to see U.S.
as a moral upholder</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There’s another question that has come
up from our readers, some of us have difficulty in visioning the United States
as a “moral upholder” for the world.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>We would like to think of ourselves as always wearing the white hat, but
most of us know that this is not always the case.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Are we to act as a moral enforcer for
those nations that are amoral?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>No, the United States can be a <I>moral
example </I>without having to destroy other nations that appear to be
immoral.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Remember that even in
immoral nations and immoral societies there are moral individuals and these must
not be destroyed.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Who, among the
nations, can come forward and say, “These things are immoral.”<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Who has done that?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There were nations in the past that used
to say these things, and they no longer do.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The United States is in many ways a
young juvenile in its temperament, in its attitudes, in its idealism, and its
arrogance to think it can force others to become moral.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There are few parallels and analogies,
metaphors that we have available that would be useful to you to explain the
morality of a nation, as there are so many examples that contradict it.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Do you not think it is odd that the
nations of the Middle East say nothing about the gassing of a nation’s own
citizens, which has been recorded many, many times in the reign of Assad’s
father?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And in Assad’s own
reign?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Is it moral for a father to
kill his children?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>(<B>MMc:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>No.)<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>What happened in
Iraq?</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Then you are beginning to see
that there must be someone who says what is immoral and what is not.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is most unfortunate that in the
immaturity of this nation’s juvenile attitudes toward others and itself that it
acts out so ignorantly and so immaturely.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Actions to invade Iraq are typical of an uninformed nine year old who is
large enough to bully other neighbors, when there is even no material support
for doing so.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It becomes incredibly
complex socially, politically and economically when there is no over-riding
philosophical motivation or set of values to guide all actions of a nation, a
society, community, family or an individual.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There is despaired recognition of many
ideals, yet there is no uniform recognition of the commonalities of all
societies.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We continue to tell you
that the 3 core values of social sustainability—the quality of life, growth and
equality—are the core principles and values that will eventually guide all
nations and societies and communities toward social stability and peace.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>These are perhaps the only three values
upon which all humankind can agree.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Now, how you achieve that will probably vary tremendously from one
community, one nation and one political philosophy to another.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>How those are enacted and implemented
will vary.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If there is agreement on
those three core values then eventually there will be a similarity of
action.</P>
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<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>Alternatives for
controlling human populations</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Heretofore, war, pestilence and famine
have been the only unconscious and unintentional means of controlling human
populations.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What are the
alternatives?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The alternatives, of course, are quite
the opposite.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That means conscious
and intentional actions, decisions, and values, to limit population for the good
of all concerned.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Now, you realize,
as we realize, that no one is going to come along and destroy the excess
population in your world to attain that balance.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That is the domain of the historic
developments of your world that will be lived out on your world without
intervention by Christ Michael or Machiventa or anyone else.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Until there is a conscious and
intentional plan, a design and process for maintaining stable population, then
pestilence, famine and war will continue to operate to balance the population on
your planet.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>You do not need to be a genius to
figure out that this has yet to occur before the balanced state of population
can exist.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We have explained to you
the cataclysms that are forthcoming and will present themselves even more
powerfully on your world, across the face of all continents.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Pestilence, famine and war will still
operate until there is a balance in your world. </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>What we have offered you is to
assist you co-creatively to begin a design process for establishing the creation
of a stable population, a stable social population on your world that can begin
now, even before war, pestilence and famine have completed their missions.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Intentional, conscious and balanced
population control is done with forethought.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That means thinking ahead, planning
ahead, designing options, choosing the best of those options, which may vary
over the circumstances of time, and to choose an option for action when the
opportunity arises to enact it.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Long before the balance of
population occurs on your planet there must be agreement between a large, large
majority of the population that they must do so—meaning to invoke population
controls—both through the indoctrination and enculturation of individuals and
through the enforcement of that by societies in order to stay in a balanced
state, in other words, to stave off—not to hold off—and eliminate the cycles of
overpopulation and then decimation.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>We have offered to do this planning with you co-creatively in design
teams now and throughout the duration of future human existence, to assist the
progress of your societies to remain level, stable and that through this
stability the quality of life of everyone in a society improves, there are
opportunities for growth for all individuals, and that each individual is valued
equally as a social asset of societies and communities as any other individual,
regardless of their intelligence, their material wealth, their social position
or political connections.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The time
to plan that is now while there is enough social stability to allow you to meet
together to plan and to design those options.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Are you grasshoppers that wait for
winter to come before being concerned about having enough to eat, or are you
diligent worker ants who are storing away, making options for the future for
your survival?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I don’t have any further questions
today.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Roxanne, do you have any
questions?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>Clarification on
‘holding actions’ concerning pandemics</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Roxie:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When Charles was speaking to us about
pandemics last time, it was said, “There will be holding actions to prevent it
from further expanding, but it will expand.”<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>For clarification, will the holding
actions be by celestials or mortals, such as the CDC?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The holding actions will be taken by
celestials who will be acting with and through those individuals of health
organizations, whether they are spiritually inclined or not.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The work of those institutions and
health organizations are in alignment with the intentions of the Correcting Time
and so they will be open to options that will assist them to delay or prevent
the spread of virulent diseases.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I
will end my comment there.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Does
this sufficiently answer your question, dear?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>Can mankind make
the tough decisions about population control?</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Roxie:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, thank you very much.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I have another question but you have
already answered a good part of it.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Concerning controlling our population in the future, during the early
trial period of working with the CCDT process, and from several transcripts in
the past, I gather that humanity must learn to make vital decisions concerning
what couples would be allowed to procreate, when life support should be
withdrawn from the terminally ill, and how we need to eliminate the criminal
degenerates from our society, for example.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Knowing how sensitive my fellow man is regarding these kinds of controls
against other individuals, how do we keep the population numbers from rebounding
back to the same situation of overpopulation if we lack the wisdom and
determination to make these kinds of decisions?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That occurs slowly through a culture
change.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is a long-term
process.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Today, whole cultures can
be changed rapidly.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>A whole culture
can be changed radically and easily in 20 years.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It depends on the circumstances of the
larger environment around people and about their personal lives.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The one major factor that is missing in
your primitive culture is the acknowledgment of shared responsibility.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When the population of a society is
obligated to support the genetic malfunction of an individual who is born, who
is genetically crippled and who would be institutionalized throughout the
duration of their life, that the cost and expense charged against society
through taxes that everyone shares, there will become in this new culture an
awareness that this is highly detrimental, that the cost of maintaining an
institutionalized “vegetative state person” costs many thousands of dollars that
could be otherwise used to support the sustainability of the community for the
welfare and care of healthy individuals. </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal>[NOTE by <B>TR:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>To paraphrase Monjoronson, there is a
definite distinction between using the positive side of eugenics — support for
the procreation of healthy children vs. the elimination of incapable, living
individuals.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>One is moral the other
is not.]</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>In a culture that is oriented
toward social sustainability, procreative couples will want to have a child who
is exceptional, exceptional meaning that they are kind and gentle and healthy,
and that their gene structures have integrity, and that they will not have
psycho-physical or physical anomalies arise when they reach their early
20’s.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This culture understands that
the children who carry these genetic malfunctions, may by the age of 35 and 40
become incredibly crippled and that they will not have a full life.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is tremendously detrimental to the
psyche and spiritual development of those individuals.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is far more compelling for
individuals to bring healthy children into existence, rather than
institutionalizing those children who are in a vegetative state for the rest of
their life, putting them away in institutions, waiting for the day that they
will die.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There is a certain
immorality to that, which those in a socially sustainable society readily
see.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We are not advocating the
elimination of those individuals in those institutions; we are however,
advocating that in a socially sustainable society that society will choose to
offer to procreative couples the opportunity to bring into existence healthy
children.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is one aspect of a
change of moral culture in a nation.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Roxie:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you very much.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I don’t have any other questions at the
moment.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you, Roxanne.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Monjoronson, do you have anything to say
to us in closing?</P>
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<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>Finding
commonalities in human societies is not impossible</FONT></U></H2>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is essential that human societies
develop a common, unifying philosophical and moral base for all decisions, of
all human behavior.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This may sound
impossible, but it is far, far easier to conceive than you may believe.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You simply need to find the
commonalities of all humans that are worth living for and making moral decisions
for your personal life and with others in your social life to guide the
development of your personal life, your family and your children, and your
communities and societies towards improved living.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>That requires that your special
interests be shared with everyone, that your competitive nature to “die with the
most toys,” to engage in the competitive process of “winner takes all,” comes to
an end.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You cannot take it with
you, and when you do leave this life, it is better that your wealth is passed on
to others, to be used constructively for the good of others, rather than for the
pyramid dynasties of some families that we see and you see.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is not that we are asking you to
sacrifice your unique individuality—far from it—for a socially sustainable
society does not come into existence by mandated, in-step marching, with your
hands tightly held to your sides in line with others.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>It is through the voluntary,
cooperative organization of your society, being that the best for others is the
best for you, and in doing so, you do not interfere in the lives of others, as
you wish and hope that they would not interfere in your life, because you are
unique, and you know what is good for you and how to improve the quality of your
life, and how you need to grow.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You
simply want to be considered as an equal as anyone else, not held out as less
than, or held up as more than, and yet you are not the “same as.”<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This change of culture is the essence of
what we are striving to do on all of Urantia, and we have already begun.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you very much.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Roxie:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>A lot of thoughtful material there!<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you, Monjoronson!</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Daniel:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>He bows to you.</P>
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