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<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#800080>New Era Conversations #15 –
Wealth, Power and Fame; Sub-systems of Communities – Jan 24, 2014</FONT></H2>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Teachers:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><B>Machiventa Melchizedek </B>and
<B>Christ Michael</B></P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Topics:</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: purple">More on wealth, fame and power<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: purple">Trans-generational use of wealth, power and
fame<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: purple">Trans-generational dysfunction in
families<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: purple">Having fame, power and influence without being
wealthy<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: purple">Ego, fear and maturity levels<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: purple">Relationship between three core values and the three
economies<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: purple">The encoding of the three core values in our
DNA<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: purple">Bridging the social divide in
communities<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: purple">Nine categories of specializations in a
community<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: purple">The holism of communities with
sub-systems<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: purple">The West Coast drought and ripple
effect<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: purple">Explaining the “World of the Cross” to
Christians<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: purple">A question concerning dependency<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>TR:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Daniel Raphael</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Moderators:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Michael McCray and Susan Bryner</P>
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<H1 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3>January 24, 2014</FONT></H1>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Prayer:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><I>Heavenly Father, Michael, Nebadonia,
it is with great respect and joy that we gather together again today for another
session with our mentors.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We hope
that these sessions will promote a greater understanding between spirit and
humanity.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you and
amen.<o:p></o:p></I></P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Good morning, this is Machiventa
Melchizedek.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(Group
greetings.)<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Welcome to another day
on the “World of the Cross.”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Please
proceed.</P>
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<H3 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#800080 size=3>More on wealth,
fame and power</FONT></U></H3>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In the past you have touched upon both
the positive and negative aspects of wealth, fame and power.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Would you care to enlarge upon these
topics for us, please?</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, I would be glad to.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Most of you are aware of the teenage
“heart throbs” who sing songs and who are idolized by so many millions of
teenagers.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You are aware of one who
you know as Justin Bieber, a Canadian who was recently found driving while
intoxicated, drag racing and with an expired driver’s license.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is a wonderful example of the
misuse of wealth, power and fame.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>He is far less than 25 years old, already has earned far more than many
lifetimes of wages by middle class people.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>He is worth tens of millions of dollars and has a tremendous following of
those individuals who aspire to his fame, his wealth and his acceptance by his
peers.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You see this primary example
in him, yet for individuals who may be in their 40’s, 50’s, 60’s and 70’s—or
even their 80’s who win the lottery in the score of hundreds of millions of
dollars—are still susceptible to the same vagaries of immaturity and lack of
good judgment.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Why is this?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It comes about simply because they were
not raised in a family of wealth, power and fame.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They do not know how to manage their own
life and the leverage that these resources provide to them, and so they are
oftentimes misused in egregious ways, either through the lack of their use
appropriately, or for their use inappropriately.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In any case, it is an unusual individual
who can come into wealth, power and fame suddenly and manage it without it
managing them.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Further, those
individuals who are near to them also succumb to the influence of wealth, power
and fame and they make recommendations to their wealthy, famous and powerful
friend, which is inappropriate or immature and also lacks good judgment.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And so, the influences to those who come
into this, even those who are well meaning, can oftentimes go awry because of
the influences around them.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Now, you can see in part why we
have been so slow in introducing Monjoronson on the material plane of your
world, and there are those who would first meet him who may be under the
influence of wealth, power and fame and immediately think in terms of what the
presence of Monjoronson would do to their own personal life.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Of course, they would miss the whole
point of Monjoronson being in their presence.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is a wonderful example of Urantia,
a planet with a civilization of well over 7 billion people, many of which would
not understand how to manage and use wisely what wealth, power and fame can
provide.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We have seen this
mismanagement even in large corporations and also political organizations where
wealth, power and fame has allowed them to do pretty much whatever they want to,
without faltering or being questioned. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You see this in the case of financial
institutions on your world that make many billions of dollars in clear profits
quarterly.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They have so much wealth
and power and fame from that they oftentimes use it inappropriately and their
misadventures decrease the profits and dividends to their investors.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>So, we are very reluctant to
bring into play wealth, power and fame into the Magisterial Mission and the work
that we are doing.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>On the other
hand, we see very clearly that without its use there will be almost no action
taken by individuals through their initiation and self-empowering actions.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is most unfortunate in the world
where your Creator Son, Christ Michael, came that you are dis-empowered to such
a degree by your own thoughts of incapability that you do not act.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is very unfortunate.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It will be necessary, as we have said,
that wealth, power and fame be used in our work to move your world towards the
day of light and life.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Please continue your
questions.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Susan:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>May I have a clarification there?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What I understood from what you just
said was that you’re seeing that the wealth, power and fame will empower people
to act, because right now without it, few are feeling empowered and most are
reluctant to act because they don’t think they have the resources?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Could you clarify that for me?</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Certainly.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you for your question.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
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<P
style="TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in; tab-stops: list .25in; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1"
class=MsoNormal>1)<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN>Wealth, power and fame are disabling assets to most mortals.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>2)<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Further, most people who follow our work
are dis-empowered simply because they feel that they are powerless, and very few
of our following are self-initiators to organize and initiate through their own
empowerment works, processes, programs and projects which would embellish what
we are doing.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoBodyTextIndent>3)<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Because this is a co-creative
enterprise, we on this side, are limited by your inability to become
self-empowered.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Even though you
know that Christ Michael, the Melchizedeks, Monjoronson, the angels and
Nebadonia, and on and on, are here to help you, and the resources are limitless
and none will be withheld from you who work with Christ Michael’s work and the
Father’s Will, there are very few people who are venturesome to proceed.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoBodyTextIndent>4)<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Therefore, we will necessarily have to
use wealth, power and fame to proceed with our program.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Eventually, we will use those when all
other facets of development have expired.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>You, of this team, know whereof I speak, that there are developments
which are accruing, which are making the plan more complete.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We do not want to invest wealth, power
and fame in these programs until the developmental planning has been fully
completed.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Embellishment and
empowerment by the use of wealth, power and fame would then be useful.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoBodyTextIndent>5)<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It would be most difficult for us to
proceed with any ordinary individual who has not been well prepared for this
investment.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We will necessarily use
an individual, rather than a group of individuals, simply because we can work
with an individual more easily than with 3 or 4, as wealth, power and fame among
3 or 4 people would be incredibly disruptive.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There would be 3 or 4 different ways of
proceeding and would take everyone out of contact with us.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This would be very, very difficult.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You will not see these elements used
until our developmental program has been fully expanded to its limits and then
can proceed constructively through the use of these powerful social
elements.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Does this help?</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Susan:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes it does, thank you.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you for your question, Susan.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I was so confused by what had been said
that I couldn’t even generate a question to ask, but thank you for your
explanation, Machiventa, because I believe I have a better grasp on the
situation now.</P>
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<H3 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#800080 size=3>Trans-generational
use of wealth, power and fame</FONT></U></H3>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>You mentioned sometime before
this about a generational appreciation of wealth as a fluid element to bring
great good, and today you mentioned that people that live in the family that has
had great wealth learn how to appreciate it and learn how to utilize it.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Would you like to say something more on
this topic?</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>First of all, if you examine the
membership, the people who follow our work, do you know any of them who have
wealth over a billion dollars?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>(<B>MMc:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>No, I
don’t.)<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Exactly.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Therefore, this is foreign and unknown
to this population, those people who have sincere hearts who would work for us
diligently.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Second, families that
have had the benefit of generations of wealth, power and fame usually provide a
trans-generational education to their children in the appropriate use of wealth,
power and fame.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Most families
of modest means do not educate their children in the use of these three
elements, simply because it is rare for someone to break out of the rank of the
middle class.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thus, most who
[suddenly] come into wealth, power and fame have great difficulty in using them
as they received no trans-generational wisdom for their use.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Unfortunately, even in families that
have tremendous wealth over several centuries, there can be misuse in one
generation if prior generations do not take the effort to teach, educate and
train their children how to use these appropriately.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is unfortunate when that occurs.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Trans-generational fluidity means that
when generations upon generations are taught to use this wealth, power and fame
appropriately, that the inventiveness and creativity of those generations that
come forward to use it appropriately can be immense; that there can be immense
good coming from these assets.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Whereas, if they are not taught how to use them, then they could be used
inappropriately, or simply held by their financial institutions to grow without
social benefits.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
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<H3 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#800080 size=3>Trans-generational
dysfunction in families</FONT></U></H3>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>We can say the same thing for
sustainable social values and sustainable social skills within families—ordinary
families, every family.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You are
seeing trans-generational dysfunction in families from one generation to
another.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You are also seeing some
families that are intentionally, consciously improving upon their social skills
and interpersonal skills from one generation to another, as they recognize the
dysfunction of their fathers and mothers and vow never to do those things again,
but to improve upon that.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>These are
small increments of improvement.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>However, on this world there is a multiple trans-generational,
cross-cultural dysfunction that is occurring and the downward swing of the
majority of the population of this planet is not helpful.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There are very few families that have
multiple generations of truly functional children and family members.</P>
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<H3 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#800080 size=3>Having fame, power
and influence without being wealthy</FONT></U></H3>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Is it possible to have fame, power and
influence without being wealthy?</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, it is, as you have seen with many
of your Nobel Laureates for Peace.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Mother Teresa is a prime example of one who had tremendous influence and
power without wealth.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>She was
incredibly famous across the world, yet she was genuinely indifferent to the
influence of wealth and power, which gave her such a magnificent social stature
in your world.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, it is powerful,
but you usually see these individuals recognized later in their life, later when
they have only the leverage of power, fame and influence to work their
good.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is essential that wise
people be brought forward who know how to use all three of these elements.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>There are so many
multi-millionaires and billionaires in the world now who use their wealth to
grow their wealth, rather than using their wealth to assist others.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When you can earn a billion dollars in a
quarter, you have much leverage to use for the good of humanity; even a small
percentage of that—10%--would be $100,000,000 per quarter, which would have a
tremendous leverage in social action programs.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The difficulty, however, is finding
those that are appropriate and effective.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Usually, these individuals formulate foundations—charitable,
philanthropic foundations of a nature akin to their own thinking, rather than
having that generated from celestial influence so that it becomes multiplied to
influence not only thousands but, tens of thousands and hundreds of millions of
people.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is that which we seek in
the programs that we are developing as the time gets shorter.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We need to have a means to influence
millions of people every week so that those numbers accrue to a large number to
change the culture of your world.</P>
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<H3 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#800080 size=3>Ego, fear and
maturity levels</FONT></U></H3>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I’m beginning to see the relationship
between our concepts of wealth, fame and power, ego and the use of fear and the
primitive states of our three economies or systems—financial business economy,
social economy and the political economy.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Will you help clarify these relationships for me, please?</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Really, you have done quite an excellent
job yourself.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There are the
detrimental aspects of wealth, power and fame which only come out when ego and
fear come into play.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Ego is not
limited solely to individuals; it can be nationalistic, a national egoism.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It can be a corporate egoism; it can be
a fear based by those in power, who wish to use that to protect themselves or to
squash those who appear to be rebellious, but simply are innovative, creative
types who present new ideas.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thus,
there truly is a relationship between ego and fear and the misuse of wealth,
power and fame. </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>It is interesting—it should be
interesting to you, that wealth is not limited to possessions of hundreds of
millions of dollars, or billions of dollars.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Even misuse of wealth can occur by those
who have only thousands of dollars—less than ten thousand dollars—when they
think they are incredibly rich, or that this money has come to them
suddenly.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They think in terms of
grandiosity and terms of influence with their friends and what they can do with
this money.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Wealth is not limited
to misuse by millionaires, but oftentimes is misused far more frequently by
those who have far less, which is tremendously unfortunate as these elements of
wealth, power and fame can provide a rapid exposure to soul-growing
experiences.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It can bring out the
best in the lower morontial capabilities of mortals, or it can sink them into
depravity.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The choices become very
clear, very quickly and you can tell the maturity of these individuals very
easily through how they use their newfound wealth, whether that is $1,000 or
$10,000 or $100,000,000.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>How people
use these are indicators of the level of maturity and soul-growth and their
personality development.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When you
become observant of these acts by individuals, then you realize that you should
be able to assess their maturity very quickly.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>More and more you will be able, as you
yourself mature, to more accurately evaluate your neighbors, your friends, the
people you meet as being mature or immature, how they use their money, how they
use their material goods and so on.</P>
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<H3 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#800080 size=3>Relationship
between three core values and the three economies</FONT></U></H3>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>A reader is still unclear about the
association of three core values of sustainability—quality of life, growth and
equality—and the three economies.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Would you go through this again for him, please?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Okay, please wait.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: .5in" class=MsoFooter><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"></SPAN> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal>[Daniel:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There’s quite a discussion going on
between them.]<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>There are some associations
between the three core values themselves that could be clarified as distinct
from the three economies of a functional society.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Their association as best can be stated
is that as societies mature, the three core values of sustainability will be
more accurately developed in the populace.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>The three economies must be developed as sustainable in order for the
whole of the civilization to become sustainable.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Their association is that use of the
three core values on a daily basis by individuals, families, communities,
societies, governments, economic functions and political functions will have a
constant and long term effect on the sustainability of these three
economies.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What we said earlier was
that a sustainable civilization will not come into existence until these three
economies have approached sustainability in their own right.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Politically sustainable environments
will not occur until almost all political processes on the planet are democratic
in some form or another.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Totalitarian government and regimes, dictatorships and so on, are not
amenable to the three core values simply because using the three core values
that bring about sustainability are inherently democratic in nature; they are
egalitarian in nature.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: .5in"
class=MsoFooter> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>You cannot have self-interest,
political interest, partisanship and controls in a sustainable society.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The three core values do not embellish
self-interest; do not embellish partisanship; and do not embellish special
interests, unless those interests are in alignment with the three core values of
sustainability.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Then you would have
a much different evolving transitional form of governance and political
environment.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>I think you can see why we
hesitated to bring out the association between the three core values and these
three economies because the depth of discussion can become very extensive and
detailed.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You are most welcome to
ask clarifying questions.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I’m going to let that ruminate for a
while and come back to that.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H3 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#800080 size=3>The encoding of
the three core values in our DNA</FONT></U></H3>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Let me see if I can put together
some of the things you’ve told us in the past.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The three core values are encoded in our
DNA, and we have misunderstood their meaning or how they impact upon us, largely
because of Caligastia, Satan and Lucifer’s fiasco.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This has severely retarded our three
cultural systems—our political economy, our social economy and our financial
economy.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Is this correct?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That is correct.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Very good.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In evolutionary biology an organism is
said to behave altruistically when its behavior benefits other organisms at a
cost to itself.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Altruistic behavior
is present not only in man, but is widely seen in the animal kingdom.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I believe you mentioned ants; Darwin
used the example of bees.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>But,
Darwin had a difficult time explaining the biological altruism, based on his
theory of natural selection.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It
would appear that the three core values exist in the DNA of other species, as
well as our own, and this explains the altruisms seen in nature.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>All of this is in the form of a
question.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You will find these traits of altruism
in mammals and primates.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Please
continue.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That’s all the questions I have for
today.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Susan, Roxie, do you have
any questions?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H3 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#800080 size=3>Bridging the
social divide in communities</FONT></U></H3>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Susan:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I do have a few questions, yes.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Machiventa, I’m envisioning an
organization in our community that would have the potential to bridge the social
divide, fragmentation and redundancies that are created by specialization, and
help us make the initial step toward social sustainability.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>My vision is an organizational body that
shares a philosophy that the individual is the primary resource of the
community, and then envisions a community where every individual is valued for
his or her potential to contribute and receives equitable opportunity to
prosper, grow and pursue a quality life. In such a community, all organizations,
designs, projects and programs would be evaluated by the degree to which they
contribute to or maintain the basic needs that drive the individual.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>My question is, am I on the right
track?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Is this a vision that has
the potential to make that initial step forward in our community at this
time?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you for your question.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, it is a viable step.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You do not want to make generalists out
of everybody, just as you do not want to make specialists out of everybody.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What you do want to do in a community to
make it viably sustainable is to allow or encourage and provide the skill
training by volunteers in the community so that others can learn how to become
farmers, gardeners, blacksmiths, electricians, plumbers, and so on.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You will find that through this cross
training, your community becomes far more sustainable in a crisis, as well as
providing confidence by individuals who attend those classes to have confidence
in their teacher, and would call upon them for more skilled service to their
home, for instance.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Let us say that
a skilled plumber has an ongoing class of training household owners and renters
how to repair their own minor plumbing needs.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Some plumbers would be fearful to think
that this would decrease their earning power, whereas others who are service
oriented would see this as an opportunity to take on larger projects that
homeowners and renters would not feel competent to do.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This could be extended to minor
electrical work; it could be to cooking and whole-house work, and particularly
to childcare, childrearing, and so on.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Our main concern is not your houses, but the children and the coming
generations that come forward.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It
is essential, if I understand your question correctly, or at least a facet of
it, that there be preparations for a <I>whole</I> community.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We see communities as a holism of
systems, of childrearing, of education, of medical care and so on, that everyone
becomes as capable as they can to the limits of their inherent potential.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I have wandered around a bit within the
parameters of your question—does this answer any part of it?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Susan:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Actually, it does because I don’t think
I was embracing in this question and in this philosophy the important part
specialization does play.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>As you
said, you don’t want to have all generalists or all specialists, the strength is
in the cross training.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I’m going to
have to think on that one.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When I
said, “bridge the social divide that specialization causes,” I’m seeing in my
community a lot of different groups who can fall into certain categories, such
as those who work with the health and wellness part of the community, those who
are part of education, those in business, industry, etc., etc.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We often tend to work in our own arenas
without seeing the community as a whole. </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>So, let me ask my second question
and maybe it will become clearer.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>The mission of this organization would be to promote individual growth,
family culture and our social, economic and political environments through
dialog, communication and the support of organizations, designs and programs
that would work toward that goal.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I
think I’m trying to understand how we look at the groupings within this
organization appropriately. Maybe I’ll ask my question around that.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H3 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#800080 size=3>Nine categories of
specializations in a community</FONT></U></H3>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>I’m seeing roughly nine
categories of specializations or groupings of people in the community that could
come around a table, so to speak, in constituencies, a table at which dialog
would happen around the envisioning of these goals, and then communication.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The nine areas would be: 1) Health—all
those involved in health and wellness; 2) Home—home would include property, home
maintenance, services, and<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>real
estate; 3)<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Education—the category
of family life and life-long learning; 4) Wealth, as being one of those needs,
and of course there are so many businesses, merchants, services, industry—all of
that would fall under wealth; 5) Cultural opportunities—fine arts, music; 6)
Rest and relaxation—recreation; 7) Spiritual connections—churches, spiritual
centers; 8) Service—community services; and 9) Pure public services—safety,
fire, utilities, etc.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>I’m seeing nine constituencies
that would come together to communicate between each other, with each other, and
communicate to the people within their specializations and groups to kind of
pull us together as a community with a whole vision.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>My question is: are we forgetting
something?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Is this too much, too
soon?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H3 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#800080 size=3>The holism of
communities with sub-systems</FONT></U></H3>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, dear one, you fully see the holism
of a community, just as a body—a physical body—has sub-systems, they work all
together and they communicate with each other to remain integral and
operational.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Communities fall apart
when these segments do not communicate with each other, that they become
isolated and they have their own professional or social cliques in isolation
from others and have an aloofness or elitism, which keeps them apart.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What you are striving to do is project
the holism of a human body, onto the holism of a community, where all parts are
integral and aware of each other and understand their relationship to each
other.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We salute you for the work
that you are doing.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The primary
ethos of such a community is that “we are all in this together,” that though we
may live five miles out in the woods, we are still part of this community and
when there is a need, we will call upon this central community for
assistance.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, you are headed in
the right direction and you have accomplished a tremendous amount within an
extremely short period of time.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Now, make this awareness grow in
the minds and hearts of the rest of the people in your community.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That will be the main message.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What you will strive to do, as we see
that you are doing now, is to create activities that create that wholeness, that
awareness.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You can begin that by
identifying those nine groups and the organizations that fit within them, and
then you may wish to have some type of community systems gather where everyone
becomes acquainted with everyone else.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>We use the simple example of wealth:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Many people have enough money to have a
satisfactory, sustainable life, but most people do not know how to manage what
finances they do have, and misuse or squander the money that could be used more
capably and more suitably for a better, whole, standard of living.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>So too, a community does not do
well when a service or sector is unknown to others, that it is forgotten, that
it is not in the minds of everyone as a constant source of good for them.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When a community has a loss of
electricity for a long period of time, then you will find that the electrical
sump-pumps for the sewage system and for the fresh water pressurization do not
function either, and so everybody comes quickly to mind that the sewer system or
the water source has failed.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>So, it
is important that everyone be aware of that and appreciate it, even though it
may function flawlessly for many years. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Your goal, as you have subtly pointed out
is to become aware of each other, to become aware that there are nine identified
fields of interest.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This would be a
wonderful way to proceed, so that it develops recognition and then appreciation,
and then a working relationship among and between them.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>I hope this answers your
question; you have given your project to great development.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We are hopeful that you have others who
are capable of assisting you at this time.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Susan:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That was very helpful.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You gave me some ideas as to how to
approach this—ones I hadn’t thought of—and yes, I do have people who will
support this once it is developed to a point where it can be communicated a
little better than I just did with you.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H3 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#800080 size=3>The West Coast
drought and ripple effect</FONT></U></H3>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>This may be a curiosity question,
but I’m going to throw it in here:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>We have a drought going on, on the West Coast—far West Coast in
California—and of course our East Coast, along with much of the Midwest is
inundated [with snow, ice and water].<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>The drought in California is so bad that in the mountains, we are almost
through January and there hasn’t been any real significant snow.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We are a state that supplies about a
quarter of the food supply of the world.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Yesterday we had a big wind, up where I’m at, and the dust came in.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I’ve never seen dust in the mountains
like this; it came in tremendous clouds.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>It got me thinking about the “Dust Bowl. ” My curiosity question is:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>A drought like this could cripple our
state, which could have rippling effects.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Is this a part of what you’ve been speaking of when you talk about the
geo-physical catastrophes that might be coming?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, they are.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is a perfect example of the cascade
effect where small regions can have cataclysmic effect upon a global
activity.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Your state is an
important one in the world economy, as you have pointed out.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What happens to it will have a ripple
affect throughout the world, as even the economy of California is rated as the
8<SUP>th</SUP> or 10<SUP>th</SUP> largest economy in the world, and so, if it
should fall and stumble then it would have a tremendous effect upon the
financial institutions, the stock markets of the world, produce, seed production
and the supply that it would make to grocery stores throughout these
continents.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, what you are
seeing is a ripple effect, that one thing can lead to another and get
worse.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>We see this effect politically;
you are witnessing such an occurrence on the political realm that affects all
three economies in the Middle East.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>You are seeing a visage of what is to come in that region, which will
become even more severe.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You are
witnessing the small, progressive decline and disintegration of a whole region,
which will have implications throughout the world before long.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You are all related; your activities
within your community are a primary example, one that we hope to use to the
benefit of thousands of other communities around the world.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You are finding that you are a holism;
right now you find that in your community it is not economically viable, and
this gives you a commonality among you to begin to search for answers and search
for clues and solutions to your difficulty.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What it does, in fact, is pull all nine
elements and all the population of your community together to effectively say,
“We are in this together!”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Your
community is a prime example of what will occur around the world, that you must
rely upon each other to survive, to maintain a modicum of a standard of
living.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>You are learning the rules and
ropes of survival as a social entity, and communities are vital to the integrity
of societies and nations.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What you
are learning here, we hope that you record very thoroughly, and record the steps
as you proceed, as there will be many others who will want to emulate what you
are doing, and wonder how they will survive.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>At the same time, you see throughout
your nations, small communities that are not doing what you are doing, and they
are simply falling apart and wasting away, and the children go to larger cities,
and of course, that leads to other difficulties.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is best when the community lives much
as a family, that it realizes it has difficulties, that the finances do not
exist that it wishes to have with a really robust quality of life and standard
of living, so it tightens its belt and works together so that those who earn
money at a part-time job, assist those who are not working at all, and those who
are working full-time assist others.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>It is not necessary that there be
a tremendous shift of financial wealth from the wealthy to the poor, but there
surely must be an altruism of equitable service by others who do not have.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You call this in some ways a sliding
scale of service.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, that is so,
and for some who are destitute, then they would pay almost nothing.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What would occur then is that there
would be a “service in kind,” and this brings about the further holism of your
community, that where once farmers would bring their chickens and pigs to the
doctor as payment for the services of the doctor, now that individual may rake
their lawn or organize their garage, or paint the outside shed, or something
like that as compensation for the office call.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>So, when you begin to see how this
works, when things become rough, then what everyone has in their spare time, of
course, is their labor.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And so, you
begin the rudiments of a new economy through this way.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you for your questions.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We are observing your community with
great excitement and interest.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Susan:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Oh, thank you!<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I’m glad you are observing and
helping!<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is quite an
undertaking, but actually one that flows and is very exciting for those of us
talking about it.</P>
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<H3 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#800080 size=3>Explaining the
“World of the Cross” to Christians</FONT></U></H3>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>I have a final question, and it
was interesting to me that in your greeting to us, you used the words, “World of
the Cross.”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is a question from
my brother:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>“In my vignette
project, I have come face to face with what I believe is the biggest obstacle
preventing folks, young and old, from knowing God, especially through the
Church.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>As I try to get over this
obstacle and bridge the gap in Christian understanding of the events leading up
to the Crucifixion, I find I am faced with two competing paradigms regarding the
meaning of the Cross—the <I>Bible</I> and <I>The Urantia Book</I>.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I sense there needs to be a paradigm
shift in understanding before the larger truth of <I>The Urantia Book</I> can
influence the spiritual understanding and future growth of the Church.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>“To date, I have written about
the “Nature of God,” “Friendship with God,” “Living Truth,” “Way of the Spirit,”
“Sin,” “Betrayal,” “Forgiveness,” “Mercy,” and “Divine Justice.”<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I feel like with each vignette, I’m
stringing a necklace with gems of truth, but I don’t know what the completed
necklace will look like, and whether it will be sufficiently attractive to a
Christian audience.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>So, keeping in
mind the paradigm problem, I ask, ‘Is there a way in my vignette to help
Christians enlarge their understanding of the Cross, especially in the way God
views it?’<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And if so, could you
give me a few suggestions I could use, that would be helpful in moving this
project forward, without undermining their Christian faith?”</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>CHRIST MICHAEL:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>First, dear friend, is that you do not
attack the beliefs of others, but simply provide a fresh way of looking at old
material, or material that has never been examined.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Never before, has the Cross been
discussed by me, except in my words in your “red-letter Bibles,” and “New
Testaments,” where my words are recorded.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>It would be helpful to my followers if they truly understood what I went
through on the Cross, and why I did not thwart my Father’s Will.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Had I done so, I would have been
arrogant.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Had I thwarted the will
of those mortals I came to serve, I would have also been arrogant in my
demeanor, as my life has been one of service and humility as a mortal,
Jesus.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That would be intolerable
for those who follow.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>The perspective of an
autobiography, or a biography, would be one perspective that you could use.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In some ways, this series of vignettes
is a biography, recorded by my “assistant,” who you may think of as John Mark,
or as yourself.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>An autobiography by
Jesus would also be quite revealing.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Further, when I said, “Who has seen me has seen the Father,” has caused
tremendous confusion in the identity of Jesus, an identity of the Son of
God.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It will be quite a leap for
Christian believers to understand the Creator Son concept, which of course,
every mortal expresses in their own mortality, that each one of you is a
“creator.”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There will be tremendous
difficulty in sorting out the concepts of atonement and sacrifice until the
Godhood of the triunity of God is fully explained.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>God the Father, God the Son, and God the
Infinite Spirit is the Trinity of the First Source and Center of the Universe,
and God the Son is distinctly different from the Creator Son.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Each of you is a son of God; I am a Son
of God; I am not God the Son, however, which is quite different.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>You will also have difficulty in
assisting mortals to understand that the triunity of God exists in eternity, and
it is there that it exists, and to exist as within the finite material universe
can only be done—and best done—through the presence of others, where God exists
in you.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Therefore, you are creator
sons.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And know that I am giving you
many, many ways of looking at these vignettes, and that these are most
challenging, but it is our attempt to work with you through your own Thought
Adjuster, to understand that this series of vignettes we wish you to [write]
will stand for centuries, not just for your particular church, but for all God
centered churches, that they finally come to understand who I was when I was
there as Jesus, who I am now as your Creator, Christ Michael, a Creator
Son.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I have faith in you that you
can work with these concepts in simple terms to help the most simple believer
come to understand this highly benevolent, loving relationship, the immense
generosity of God the Father of All, to provide this to you through Its
tremendous organization of light, of which you and I are members.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Practice.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Write many.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Show them to your friends.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You will, perhaps, make mistakes, but
this is developmental and it is also a spirit journey of your own.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Know that we are with you; you have the
best help possible; you have a good mind, and of course, we know that you “soar
with eagles.”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoBodyTextIndent2>[Daniel was very
emotional in delivering parts of this, particularly the last sentence.]</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Susan:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you!<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Michael, he will be so thrilled with
this response.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I’m understanding
that he originally started this with the idea of having about 40 vignettes for a
“Lenten Series,” but as I’m listening to your response, I’m understanding the
broader scope of what his project is, what he is working with, and how much
bigger it is and more important.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>This is thrilling for me and I’m looking forward to him hearing about
it.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>CHRIST MICHAEL:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We are attempting through my Triumvirate
and through our teams to approach mortals who are willing to accept a global
challenge in the framework that they can serve.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Susan:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you!<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Those are all the questions that I
have.</P>
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<H3 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#800080 size=3>A question
concerning dependency</FONT></U></H3>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Roxie:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Machiventa, one of your statements to
Susan last time really spoke to me.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>You were talking about how there was a “percentage of people whose mind
mechanisms are incomplete, unworkable, or whose social maturity and learning is
so defective as to not be able to use any learning or growing situation
positively for their self-maintenance later.”<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I feel like that applies in my
situation.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>As you are probably are
aware, I have another family of five that is currently living with me and I
would just like to know if you have any special guidance for me in how to deal
with this situation, as it seems like there is no end to their dependence on
me.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>One moment.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In your situation, there are those who
wish to be dependent, and those who are willing to make others dependent.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In your personal situation, we see that
you have helped others in the past, during their difficulties as
dependents.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is important that
even with adult children that they learn to become adults—self-sufficient
adults.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The reality of that only
hits home when those who are the providers fade away and make their transition
into the afterlife.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is more
helpful, however, if that transition to maturity can be done before death, that
those who are dependent would learn to become self-sufficient and to learn how
to live on their own, even within meager circumstances.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>In your situation, the proximity
of everyone, you would need to call upon your “house angel” to assist the
orderly conduct of your household with so many people.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There must also be a participation of
decision-making, as every decision by every individual within your household
affects everyone else.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You, too,
have a small community where one affects the all and the all affects the
one.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The awareness of that
relationship is important to be in the minds of everyone, that you do not live
alone; that you do not act alone; and the repercussions of one affects everyone
else.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Therefore, we suggest that
good decision-making be a class to be held in your household, not as perhaps as
a formalized class, but can be done one-on-one, as you are the mother and
grandmother of many.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You have a
situation that calls forth the best of everyone to make a suitable or livable
situation.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Yes, there will be those who are
untrainable, who will nonetheless do what they wish and as they please.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They should be made aware of their
decisions and the consequences that may accrue, but not chastised for doing
so.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Their life will be their own,
as whenever they leave your environment, they will suffer the consequences of
poor decisions.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Some do not have
the mental capacity to make right decisions.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Love them as they are and humbly guide
them as best you can and assist them to be of service to themselves and to
others, wherever possible.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Roxie:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you so much!<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I appreciate your advice.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>That’s all the questions I
have.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Any further questions, Susan?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Susan:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>No, not at this time.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: .5in" class=MsoFooter><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Machiventa, thank you… and Michael,
thank you! </P>
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