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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="COLOR: green; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">New Era
Conversations #36 – Update; Credibility – Dec. 8, 2014 <?xml:namespace prefix =
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style="COLOR: green; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Teacher:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><B>Machiventa Melchizedek</B>, Planetary
Manager</P>
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class=MsoFooter> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Topics:</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Competition for media space<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Purpose of Gaiam interview<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Materialism and linear thinking in the Western
world<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Horizontal or vertical vectors of
probability<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Reaching the secular masses of
humanity<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Mortal’s lack of hope<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Celestials are slightly perplexed; mortals are
disappointed<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Cynicism deals with established hierarchies
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">What do mortals need to accomplish for Monjoronson’s
incarnation?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">The spiritual meaning of “love, compassion and
empathy”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">First and last realms of cataclysmic developments
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Resistance to change is part of human
nature<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">What’s next?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Establishing credibility of this work<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Celestials are limited to the co-creative development of
these programs<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Co-creative participation is necessary to transcend the
history of failures<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Metaphors of flintlock rifle and champagne
corks<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Planetary Management is a science<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Establishing credibility globally<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>TR:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Daniel Raphael</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Members present:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Roxanne Andrews, Susan Bryner and
Michael McCray</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H1 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3>December 8, 2014</FONT></H1>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Prayer:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><I>Heavenly Father, Michael and
Nebadonia, we thank you for using us as your eyes and your ears here on Urantia,
to survey our planet during these Correcting Times.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We hope that we are able to provide you
with the information that you seek in bringing our planet into better alignment
with the rest of the universe, and moving us toward the Days of Light and
Life.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We thank you for all your
help in this.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Amen.
<o:p></o:p></I></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>Competition for
media space</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></B>Good morning, this is Machiventa
Melchizedek.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is a pleasure to be
here.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We left the last session a
week ago, as it was a brief session preparatory to the developments on
Thursday.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We have observed what
occurred there and see that the mortal process is slower than we desire.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is not unusual to see the activities
of the Father and Christ Michael’s work compete in the media for space and
consideration.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There are not the
same concerns in commercial life for growth and development as there are on our
side.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>Purpose of Gaiam
interview</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>We see that this interview was
one of validating This One as authentic and genuine, and someone who could—or
could not—provide further work or interviews to the television company.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Surely the life of This One is “far
different than normal,” and that the interviewer only briefly touched on the
topics, which are of major concern to us.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>We understand the necessity of vetting, or legitimating/validating the
work and the developments that have surrounded This One’s life, as you, the
readers, moderators and transcriptionist and inquiring member here, have
witnessed over the last few years and months.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This process of establishing credibility
is central to this first interview.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>We are aware that this first interview may not air on that station’s web
site for 2-3 months, and that consideration or possibility of a second interview
may not occur for 4-6 months.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>However, as developments unfold
on your planet, there will be increased needs for direction, which are neither
social, political, or economic/financial, but spiritual in nature, interpreted
in terms of those three pillars of society.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>As the people who subscribe to
GaiamTV.com are the cultural creatives in the main, or the majority, they are
ones that we wish to germinate with the ideas of sustainability and social
stability.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We realize the inertia
that is involved in television production, with many genres and venues of
interest in any one given Media Company.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>It will require the discerning mind of someone at the highest level of
that organization, and of course, later on in the organizations of other media
companies, to discern the worthiness of this “news” to be published.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>Materialism and
linear thinking in the Western world</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Consistent with your culture, its
materialism and linear thinking, there is an ongoing reliance upon the mind of
linear thinkers, Western materialists, who think in terms of material
sustainability and “what can we do” to help this situation, or to remove
it?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The truth is that the material
developments of your Western civilization have grown to their maximum, and that
further material development would be of no assistance or use to the progress of
your culture, to societies, to nations or to the whole of the Western
civilization.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We have forgotten the
Eastern civilization, yet many of those countries are even more resistant to
carry a major change of culture than the Western civilization.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When we compare the Eastern to the
Western, both seem to have the same or similar degree of independence from the
spiritual realm, though there is a great deal of much religious and ritualistic
activity.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: .5in"
class=MsoFooter> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>Horizontal or
vertical vectors of probability</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>The vectors of probability now
emanating from this event Thursday are mostly longitudinal rather than lateral,
none being perpendicular to that event.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Horizontal vectors in alignment with the event indicate that thinking has
remained the same, and that this is not seen as any different from any other new
venture in an interview form, from any others that have been conducted.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We will work with this situation, and
began immediately after the interview.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>For us, it is not that this interview was a make-or-break situation for
the work of Christ Michael or the Correcting Time, or for the pragmatic
implementation of the programs that Monjoronson has developed.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There are many other ways of approaching
this work.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>All of those other
options also must rely upon the publishing to the general public in a broadband
media method, so that it is available to people all over the world, wherever
there are Internet connections, electricity and computer monitors, computer
operations.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><U><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Reaching the secular masses of
humanity<o:p></o:p></SPAN></U></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>This is the first effort of
Monjoronson’s work to develop this for the masses of humanity.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>As we have said before, we are
presenting this first to the secular audience, and then secondarily and
simultaneously to the spiritually oriented audience, who is sufficiently capable
of appreciating the participation of a spiritual being in a co-creative team
environment.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>For most people, this
takes a leap of faith, a leap of acceptance.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The historic consideration for that
situation was a séance of medium-ship and the spooky atmosphere of moving tables
and lamps, flashing lights and so on – the fraudulent activities of medium-ship,
which are so much despised by many communities.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They sully the true co-creative
participation of legitimate spiritual participation by the members of the
Universe Management organization, particularly from Salvington of Nebadon, down
to this planet.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The reality for
all, whether they are secular in interest, or spiritual, is that humans already
know the solutions, but do not have the courage, foresight or character to
accept the possibilities of saving themselves through altruistic humane emotions
and values of sustainability.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>Mortal’s lack of
hope</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>As a primary reason for why we
are here at this time, [is] because humanity has come to the point where it is
incapable of helping itself transcend its history of failures, even knowing the
solutions that exist could be implemented.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>This is, for a Planetary Manager, profoundly sad.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What is more is that humans know this
and do not have the fundamental element of “hope” that we could build upon to
assist them to overcome their own weaknesses of character.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>As we have taught before, hope is the
foundation upon which the continuum of belief proceeds to “knowing.”<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Our presence now is to reveal carefully
that real, active and existent participation of spirit that has been present in
their lives for many decades.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>So,
without hope there is a difficulty to begin.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>On the other hand, we also see a
lack of cynicism.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>One would think
that where there is no “hope,” then there would be cynicism about the
possibility of overcoming your frailties, your weaknesses and even your
culture.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We do not see cynicism, or
any cynical perspectives about your capacity to do what is right.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That presents quite an irony, does it
not?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We, therefore see this as a
the crack in the door, and we have stuck our foot in it to keep the continuum of
hope and belief open, through which we can insert pragmatic, implementable
programs to assist mortals who are willing to work with us, to save their
nations, their societies, their communities and their families.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The lack of hope and cynicism is
evidence of ignorance about their capability of empowerment to create and invoke
meaningful social change.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><U><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Celestials are slightly perplexed; mortals are
disappointed<o:p></o:p></SPAN></U></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>We are not disappointed by what
did not occur last Thursday; we are not even dismayed, only slightly perplexed
as to how we may open the door wider.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>As we have said, we will provide all those involved inside that company
and outside that company who will have awareness of that interview and what it
portrays for the future.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We will
give them many options for examining what was said, and how it was said between
the interviewer and the interviewee, This One.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If you look at the history, the last 25
years of our work of the Correcting Time that began with the Teaching Mission,
you can see the progression from a small community in New Zealand to the
possibility of a global audience.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>This is tremendous progress.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Many of you, however, are disappointed that the progress has not been
more rapid, but it has been sure, it has been plodding, it has been given to you
with authentic, transparent delivery.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>Cynicism deals
with established hierarchies</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>In terms of societal progress,
cultural progress on a planet—any planet—this is huge progress.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is a blink of an eye in time to see
such progress and possibility.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yet,
were you to have seen and known what was ahead two centuries ago, you would have
a certain degree of angst that this is not proceeding even more rapidly.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That is our sense and estimation of what
is occurring now.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What is apparent,
and we must promote in the minds of mortals, is an earnestness to seek and
search for solutions.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Most Western
minds are cynical concerning the capacity of their own hierarchies to solve
these immense social, political and economic/financial problems.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That cynicism deals with established
hierarchies; therefore people have begun to seek outside of those hierarchies
for possible, potential solutions.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>The solutions for social
sustainability exist, and this is the best place for us to work, or deliver the
options, is in the minds of possibility thinkers.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>These are the individuals who think of a
possibility, ask questions and are curious to search for answers.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is our duty, our work, our chore, our
necessity to deliver to those minds the source of those options and what they
are, and how they may be implemented, how to learn about them and actually how
to practice them.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>As one of our
students who is a solid thinker said, “The time for philosophizing and thinking
about these problems is done, it’s through.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is now time to do something.”<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The best way to begin to understand
social sustainability is through actual experiential experimentation with the
three values of social sustainability and then the Schematic for Validating
Social Sustainability.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It only
requires several people to meet, sit down and begin trying to work with it.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We will assist that effort personally
and powerfully whenever someone wishes to do that and asks for co-creative
assistance.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>We know that the components and
the integration and the operation of social sustainability on a broad, cultural
and societal level is beyond the thinking of most people, even of those who are
well educated.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>But the pragmatic
experiential implementation of working through the values and the team process,
using those roles and Schematic for validating social sustainability are the
tools necessary to teach and learn how to build a stable society and
community.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>If you have questions concerning
this, I would be glad to answer them.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>What do mortals
need to accomplish for Monjoronson’s incarnation?</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Roxie:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Machiventa, what needs to be done or
needs to happen from the mortal realm before you consider that it is time for
Monjoronson to make his appearance?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You must have begun to enter into social
stability before he is programmed to appear.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>His appearance now would only lead to
greater chaos in your world.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>He
would be seen as a pariah of existing hierarchies; he would be seen as a savior,
a miracle worker for those of historic religious faith, and his work would be a
“still birth,” and of little use to your planet.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Magnificence does not translate into
greatness in a society.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is
necessary to begin the work; to begin to believe in the possibility of an
evolved society.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>[If] there is
still belief in the power, authority and control of established hierarchies then
there will be contention between the presence of Monjoronson and those
hierarchies and the people who support them.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The earliest upon which he is programmed
to appear is when social stability has begun, when there is some way that you
have taken the “bait,” so to speak, of peace and social stability through the
pragmatics of social sustainability for him to appear to help lead your
societies on to the Days of Light and Life.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>You think it is quite a hurdle to
incorporate the three values of social sustainability into organizations,
corporations, governments, medical organizations, educational organizations, and
so on?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Well think of the
possibility of what it would take to then invest those same companies with the
emotions of love, compassion and empathy as a consideration for those they
serve.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Even in your minds now, as
you roll this around in your thoughts, you think this is ludicrous to even think
of those emotions in terms of a corporation, or in terms of a legal system, yet
we propose that you can surely develop sustainable organizations that will
adhere to the three core values, but still be cold hearted.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Yes, these three core values will
generate the development of empathy, compassion and consideration for those
people they serve.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is a
natural secondary reaction to using those values.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This has not been revealed before
because you were not prepared to accept it.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Some people who are Western thinkers,
linear thinkers of a masculine nature, would shy away from any thought of using
any process that may be compassionate, something that would cut the edge of
profits and distribution of dividends.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Yet, the use of these three core values over time will generate
consideration for social compassion and empathy and all the secondary emotions
that support the primary emotion of love:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Tolerance, patience, forbearance, forgiveness, kindness, fairness,
loyalty, faithfulness and many more of those values that create the composite
that you call “love.”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>The spiritual
meaning of “love, compassion and empathy”</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Love is not a word that can be
thrown around easily or lightly; it manifests itself in real activities that can
be identified through observation of compassion, caring, empathy and so on.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>These emotions will become part and
parcel of the development of the operation of design teams that are co-creative
and even those that are secular in nature.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>This is where the primary value of equality comes into play.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Very few mortals on Urantia, on earth,
truly see equality in empathic terms.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>It is hard for them to value others as they value themselves; this is
simply a platitude that they hear over and over again.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Yet, those of you who have
children, or have cared for children, truly understand a more equitable balance
of caring and compassion and empathy than most others, because you must see the
child as dependent upon your participation in their life.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And so too, in the family of humanity,
when you really truly appreciate the value of equality, you begin to see that
others are dependent upon you, and that you are dependent upon others.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The historic attitude of “getting mine
first,” is archaic; it is historic, it is competitive and now a value that leads
to chaos and destabilizes your societies in all realms.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><U><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">First and last realms of cataclysmic
developments<o:p></o:p></SPAN></U></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Roxie:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It seems like the direction our country
is going in, that it’s becoming less and less compassionate and empathetic, and
more structured toward the materialistic end and getting ahead that way.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Do those have to collapse completely
before people will realize that we are going the wrong direction?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We have said that the cataclysms that
are occurring and will continue to occur will eventually result in economic
cataclysms, political cataclysms and social cataclysms.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>These are the last realms of the
cataclysmic developments.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The
first, of course, will be the economic cataclysm that will occur simply because
your global economy and actual economies are so fragile, and interrelated and
interdependent.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When economies
collapse then the political regimes will collapse and those who remain will rely
upon efforts of authority, control and power to remain in place.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is not that they will have a solution
to what is occurring, but they have no solution to what is occurring and
therefore will resort to the ultimate ends of their authority, control and power
to maintain the old status quo, even when the walls of their society are
collapsing around them.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Again, we say it is incumbent
upon people at the local level to begin to design the creation of a new paradigm
of sustainable social institutions and organizations and social processes.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is the only place where this can
occur; when this develops you will see spontaneous development in communities
across the world where people are capable and literate enough to work on these
processes.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Because of the truism
and the universal timeless nature of the three core values of social
sustainability, everyone who uses them will eventually come to very similar
solutions to social problems, and they will have very similar designs in many
ways.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, there will be cultural
and ethnic adaptations to those solutions.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>We have no opposition to this, or criticism to it.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>People need to feel comfortable within
their ethnic, social, cultural group in order to move ahead.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>For some, however, they will rely
upon the ancient cultural values and orientations to uphold the old traditions,
some of which are religious in nature.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Where you see religions that are in opposition to the values of social
sustainability, or propose tenets of religion, which are inconsistent with those
values, then you will see enclaves of societies, which become historic even
today.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You can now visit some
places in various nations where there are enclaves of people, communities that
live in the same way as they did two, three or four centuries ago.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is not unusual even while you see
some cultures are highly advanced, that they have cooperative communities and
share in life’s abundance in many ways.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Does this answer your question?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Roxie:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, it does.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I just seem to be becoming more and more
cynical about my human brothers and sisters on this world.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>Resistance to
change is part of human nature</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There is no need for cynicism; they are
simply being consistent with their selfish nature.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Some people will never rise to accept
the new value systems of a new culture or new social paradigm, even though they
know that it is working and correct.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>This is simply the part of human nature that is resistant to change, even
the face of progress and constructive living in communities that are cooperative
in nature.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Your cynicism is
historic, and so that is why we are here to relieve that cynicism wherever
possible.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Are there other questions?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>What’s
next?</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, I’m wondering what’s next?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What do you see on the horizon for the
next step of developing the information that Daniel has been working on?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What’s next to bringing this out to more
people to develop it for a wider audience?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Your first question was an emanate one
that we rely upon, which we have heard often from This One.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Alternately you stated, “Now what?”<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When you come to what appears to be a
cul-de-sac in events, and you ask, “Now what?”<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>To use a parallel more fully, if you
live in a three dimensional way, as fish and birds do, you would come to a
cul-de-sac and realize that, “Well let’s just go straight up or straight
down.”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>But you in a linear culture
have a way of thinking two-dimensionally.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>You are bound to two-dimensions in your travels, most of the time by cars
and on foot.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The alternative for
you is to use the third dimension, which involves our participation.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Your question, “What’s next?” or “Now
what?” is one that is so simple, yet which conveys so much to us: the
willingness to proceed in the face of a stoppage—not failure, but the movement
forward appears to have stopped.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In
this case, this is not so.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You can
be assured that this interview will be reviewed by a few people in its raw form,
and eventually will be edited in preparation for broadcast, whereupon more
people will see this.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Anyone who is
in media, who is in terms of lateral development, connections with other genres
of interest that may support something new.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And, of course this, is an option for
development.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Lastly, we are not
dependent by what happens or not in Colorado.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We have the whole world and all of its
billions of connections to exercise when we come to a place that you would see
as a cul-de-sac.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>There are also other television
media companies who do very similarly the same thing in other countries and
other languages.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The universal
nature of this work is such that it could be translated to any other nation and
any other media company that is interested in similar topics, similar
issues.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Sustainability is not
solely an issue of concern to the United States, but of all nations that are
concerned with the material stability of your world.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Some are concerned about the social
stability as well, seeking new answers.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>It does not take much to make a voiceover of an interview to portray in
other language bases to millions of other people.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This interview could be reproduced in
voiceover form in Spanish, German, French or Italian, or into Chinese or any
other language, so that millions of other people could view this.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>American Western movies have by the
thousands been produced and broadcast in other nations through voiceover
activities.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>These productions have
garnered huge audiences of the nations that do not speak English.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>So too, it is a possibility that
other cultures, other nations, other language-based cultures would be interested
in this material.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Other nations
accept the open fact of UFOs and extraterrestrials visiting this planet.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They, too, might be asking, “Well, now
what?”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>“They [meaning the
extraterrestrials] have not made contact with us, but the angels appear to have
made contact with us to assist us.”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>So those individuals in those companies may wish to explore that
possibility.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>One thing This One
does not do, and we do not advise him to, and we have consistently held him back
from it, is to market this material.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>His work is to produce it with us and for us to disseminate it
co-creatively with his fellow brothers and sisters.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You will not see any effort on his part,
or those associated with the New Era Conversations of being involved in its
media marketing or production.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This
allows the flow of spirit in people through those who are open to receive new
ideas from us, or their fellow brothers and sisters to develop these products,
these services, this message in other media forms, or in other languages.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>One thing you will find is that
we do not require people to “make it happen.”<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is a Western male, linear thinking
process to achieve progress where there is a cul-de-sac in events.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The question, “What’s next?” is
definitely on our minds, and we have already begun them even before this
interview was conducted.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The
reasons why this material came into existence was because of curious minds,
seeing where there is an interest and a broader audience that could be turned
into subscribers for this media company.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>They, too, will be thinking and seeing and viewing this material to see
where it goes, and asking the question, “Now what?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What’s next?”</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>Establishing
credibility of this work</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Susan:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Machiventa, in an earlier comment this
morning, you said that the growth and development is not of as much interest in
the commercial market as you would hope, and yet when I look at the topics on
Gaiam TV, that’s on the surface of what it’s all about.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Well, there’s personal growth and
development, not necessarily social, and you also stated that this interview
will probably not be of use to the TV company, and yet you backed up and said
that with time, those at the top may come to a different perspective with it,
and perhaps it will be useful.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>So,
of course, as I was listening to this, I was disappointed.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You said that the Triumvirate is not
disappointed, but more perplexed.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>As I was envisioning this interview, that probably took place, I was
wondering if there was a conflict between Daniel being the channel, as well as
the one who can talk so succinctly </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>about social sustainability.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>I don’t know what the
interviewer’s questions were, but you said the first interview was a process of
establishing credibility.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I’m
wondering if that establishing of credibility, that there was a tension there
between Daniel being a channel, and then also being the one who writes and
publishes the information on social sustainability.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I’m going to form a question here, any
second.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(Laughter.)<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What I am thinking is… I almost wonder
if Daniel needs a “sidekick.”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I
could see in an interview—or maybe Daniel needs a TR—it seems like there needs
to be a third person, if there is an interview such as this, there needs to be a
component missing.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When I say
“sidekick,” I’m envisioning someone who could speak very clearly and succinctly
about social sustainability, and an interviewer asks questions, and then the
questions get asked to the spiritual consultant, but not mixing them between the
TR and the one being interviewed.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>Celestials are
limited to the co-creative development of these programs</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>First, the emotional response of the
Triumvirate is not “perplexed.”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>That is the human interpretation of “Huh?”<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And so, there is no perplexity, as they
are all “knowing,” and know thoroughly what is occurring, and know how to
proceed in any event.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yet, they are
limited to the co-creative development of these programs, and you have hit upon
the core problem or issue or conundrum of the situation in this co-creative
development, is that the one who is the TR is the one who has been our voice and
co-creative developer for the concepts of social sustainability.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The question that those producers are
asking is, “Now what?”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>How can we
convey this and sell this to the public, when the person who is voicing the
concepts is also the channel?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This
appears to be self-validation, a conundrum or irony. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The trouble is that there has not been
enough history of those individuals to discern—this is a core word here—is to
“discern” authentic messages from those which are inauthentic.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>As you three know so well—and
particularly Roxanne, who has transcribed hundreds of sessions of ours through
This One—that our message through him is far different than his own pattern of
speech and syntax, and so on.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We
are not saying that he is confused, but he certainly is disabled by [his] human
mind, which takes on too many things at one time.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(Laughter.)<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The first response is, “Is this
credible?”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, social
sustainability needs to be promoted.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Would we become a laughing stock in the media of the world by promoting
this one person as the proponent of these values and these concepts, and these
processes.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Would we therefore—when
this is discredited—become illegitimate?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Would we lose our audience?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Is this saleable? and so on.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Yet, on the other hand, were
these principles and values, and processes of social sustainability to be
broadcast and shared with the world, and validated as universally applicable,
and timelessly applicable, then they would become the paramount media company
for selling and sharing these subscriber-ships to view these sessions?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The quandary is immense.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We have faith that the owner of the
company, who started this media company, did so through the largesse and
compassion and humanity in his heart, to do “good” in the world with the wealth
that he came into.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Therefore, it is
our projection that he will be consistent with this, and that the decisions
involved in promoting this work will come from him, primarily, and upon the
production recommendations of the producers of this interview.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We, too, rely upon hope.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We see the good in people’s hearts, and
we operate on that basis.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Were we
to take the side of cynicism of the human condition, we would not have
proceeded, and your world would have collapsed long ago.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>Co-creative
participation is necessary to transcend the history of failures</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>We know now that the co-creative
participation of you and us together is necessary to transcend the history of
failures of past civilizations and past nations and societies—and it is
possible, and we are now involved in that—and we have chosen the people who can
assist us to do that, and we are giving them options.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What is not known is the opposite of the
“black swan,” those unusual situations that create synchronistic, coincidental
developments, which are exponentially profitable, for us and for your human
culture. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There may be—and we almost
surely expect and anticipate—some individual or group of individuals to come
forward and present this to the world as their solution.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That would be wonderful!</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>I have gone far astray of your
question, but I fully appreciate your statement and hope it is conveyed clearly
to the reading audience.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Susan:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You have, as usual, gone beyond my
question and answered much more.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>I’ve listened to Daniel present some of his ideas to small groups of
people, friends of mine, and I have run up against the thought that—as you said,
there needs to be more; there needs to be other groups of people that present
this as their solution beyond Daniel.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>I’m probably just wandering now; I’m going to let this one settle for a
little bit and maybe come back in another session with a more developed
question.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>But, you have also talked in the
last session, or a couple of sessions ago, about a January event, or the
November through February sort of probabilities, the nexus coming together.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Does this alter, or stretch that
timeline out a bit, or are these things still taking place?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"></SPAN> </P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>Metaphors of
flintlock rifle and champagne corks</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They are still taking place.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Due to the nature of the rapid
development of these nexus of potential, turning into the nexus of actuality,
the potential for exponential developments is greatly heightened.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We still hold to that statement, which
we made, several sessions ago and last session, and know that there will be some
major developments that will come about after the first of the year.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Those initiating sparks of development
have now been expressed, but as you know and even in a flintlock rifle
explosion, when the flint strikes the steel and ignites the power in the pan,
which connects to the power in the chamber, that if you were to watch this in
slow motion there is a very slow progressive development from a small spark,
into a minor explosion, into a major explosion, and then the propelling of the
object forward rapidly; we hold to that still.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>We still hold to the metaphor of
this event being much as a champagne cork that has been released from the
bottle.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>At this point in time, the
cork is only about one centimeter out of the bottle, with the effervescence now
spreading upward around the cork, and it proceeding slowing upward in slow
motion.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You see the eventual
development of the cork being propelled many feet into the air, and never see
the vapors of gasses that have propelled the cork forward, as it develops into
an explosion surrounding the cork and many cubic feet around the bottle.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This event that occurred Thursday will
have those repercussive developments emanate from it.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>How they develop is something that we
have not full knowledge of, as humans make decisions to propel these events
forward, or to retard them.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In any
case, there will be many vectors of probability that have developed.</P>
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<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>Planetary
Management is a science</FONT></U></H2>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>For those of you who are
interested in the progress of time, and the development of events that mark
time, you are beginning to see that Planetary Management and social development
have become quite a science on millions of planets, and that those planets that
have developed into the early stages of social stability and onward to social
sustainability, even long before entering the Days of Light and Life, have a
very clear understanding of cause and effect in the repercussions, and how to
ensure those effects are in alignment with those which are desirable for a
society, nation and world civilization to stay established and stable and
steady, and move forward progressively.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Your scientists have failed to understand this, and that is why we have
so bluntly introduced the three core values of social sustainability.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We now wait for an academic core of
individuals who can appreciate this, and begin to see how social planning can
take shape in a realistic manner, outside of politics and religion.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is our hope.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We hope it is your hope as well.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Are there further questions?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Otherwise we have come to the end of our
session.</P>
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<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>Establishing
credibility globally</FONT></U></H2>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Roxie:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Machiventa, would it be helpful in terms
of establishing more credibility of Daniel’s work if these same sessions were
given through other TRs in other countries, so the information would be coming
from different directions?</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, of course.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Roxie:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Are there any groups that you are
currently working with in other nations on this topic?</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, we are working with many groups in
other nations, though many are distracted by social, economic and political
events surrounding them and are not able to meet consistently, or to develop
concepts into operational projects.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>None have developed quite so thoroughly as this one; many are distracted
by competitive ideas of being first, and not wanting to be second, though I am
here to tell you very thoroughly and sincerely that the secondary works out of
this will far outweigh these primary works in volume and effectiveness.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There is great room for developers of
these ideas, and they will be considered essential societal founders of the
future of your nations.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Roxie:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I do not have any more questions.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you for your participation
today.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, you may see this as a
difficult session, but one that is productive, thought provoking and which lands
many of the initiatives for this work in the hands of mortals.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We offer the ideas, the ideals, the
concepts, the workability and the processes, yet you must be the ones who pick
up the hoes and shovels and the seeds and plant them in the ground, so that they
will be productive.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Know that we
are here; know that the life force of the universe supports your work, and that
we are here to provide assistance in every endeavor that you have, that you
attempt.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Good day.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>[Note:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Our team was not aware that it would be
2-3 months before Gaiam TV would decide to air—or not—Daniel’s interview until
after the session.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I will send out
a notice when we find that it is posted and ready for viewing.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We could use some prayers that the
Producers find this to be worthy information for their audience.]</P>
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