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<H1 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#008000 size=5>New Era Conversations
#48 – Progress; Mental Health; Teenagers and depression – Jun. 9,
2015</FONT></H1>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Teachers:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><B>Monjoronson, Magisterial Son, and
<o:p></o:p></B></P>
<P style="TEXT-INDENT: 0.5in; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Machiventa
Melchizedek, Planetary Manager</B></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Topics:</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">New Era progress report by
Monjoronson<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">The affinity of various associations and
organizations<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">“Meta” organizations are coming into
place<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Options for reducing flawed genes<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Mental health issues secondary to environmental
factors<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Physical illnesses portrayed as mental
illnesses<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Depression<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Teenagers and depression<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Teenagers and suicide<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Enculturation missing in societies concerning
males<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Evolving or devolving societies<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Peer pressure of popularity among
teens<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">The meaning and purpose of baptism<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">Seeking wholeness of being and oneness with God</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: .5in"
class=MsoFooter> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>TR:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Daniel Raphael</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Team members:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Roxanne Andrews, Michael McCray and a
Student</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H3 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3>June 9, 2015</FONT></H3>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Invocation: </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>New Era progress
report by Monjoronson</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MONJORONSON:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Good morning, this is Monjoronson.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Some of you have felt the large,
monumental blocks of our program moving into place.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The large movement of blocks should tell
you that the arrangement of those programs has been reset and reintegrated, and
that we have begun a New Era in our work here on Urantia.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I speak to you today because I am the
Manager of these programs, and I am aware of them as they develop.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Machiventa has been overseer of those
programs with subordinate Melchizedeks in charge of each individual program.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>The consternation that some of
you have concerning these programs is that you do not see the programs, you are
not aware of where they are, or who they are associated with, and you do not
have the assurance or confidence that what I speak of is true.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I ask you to take my word for that, that
the programs that Christ Michael began in the Correcting Time Program are
developing; some have continued to develop over the years; some will continue to
be maintained, such as the Teaching Mission—those will not go away as they have
prepared many thousands of people to be in connection with our work.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>These individuals may not have read
<I>The Urantia Book</I>; they might not be religious at all, or even be
concerned about the spirituality of their ascendant career.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Nonetheless, there are millions upon
millions who are very helpful to us in this program.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Christ Michael is very generous in his
program and invites everyone who has a concern for the welfare of this planet,
its ecology and its civilization to participate as intimately as they are
capable in these programs that he has developed.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>The affinity of
various associations and organizations</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>We have spoken in the past of the
connection of the “dots of Cheerios,” so to speak, where one is attracted to
another.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In some cases, these
Cheerios represent just one person being attracted to another person, and pretty
soon the exchange of information leads one to the other and their association
and organizations that they support and participate in and make contributions
to.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In this way, many more people
have come together, and eventually the associations, groups and organizations
they belong to begin to have an affinity for each other, and they too are
attracted to each other and begin to support each other in these ways.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We proposed this situation for the
conference in South Africa, where we saw many organizations have a close
affinity to each other through the desire to have peace in this world, whether
it was through tourism, or whether it was through association, or teaching
academics, or training in the family and [through] enculturation these groups
began to know each other. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><U><SPAN
style="COLOR: green">“Meta” organizations are coming into
place<o:p></o:p></SPAN></U></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>We found through our observation
much success, and now know how to bring larger groups together quickly.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Of course one of the major elements of
our work involves the use of the Internet in guiding the minds of individuals to
search for words that bring them new links to new organizations, and find they
have so much in common.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thus, the
larger organizations are starting to come into place, even if it is rough, and
not very well finished.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Everyone
has a need for peace; everyone has a desire for peace, even those who are
antagonistic from one nation to another has a desire for social stability.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Ongoing universal war is ultimately,
totally destructive to any nation or civilization, thus there is a hiatus in
those activities and you call it peace.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>But the peace that we espouse is based upon the three core value-emotions
of empathy, compassion and love, so that there is a caring for others.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is quite different from the absence
of war, the absence of conflict.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Most of you are very well
acquainted with seeing the organizations that are represented in the news, in
the form of your governmental institutions and organizations, social
organizations, military organizations, commercial organizations, and so on.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We, however, have a set of organizations
which are not formalized in terms of humans, mortals participating, but
organizations that we see that are “meta”—you might call them meta
organizations, much as there is a meta language, a meta code behind each web
site page—so too, behind the pages of organizations that you see and hear about
in your world, there is a meta-organization behind that, which we support.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We see our meta-organizations as
crossing the lines of your organizations in many dozens of ways; the more cross
associations there are between your organizations, the stronger the
meta-organization that we have developed behind the scenes. </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>We hope this metaphor is useful
to you when you think about our work in the world around you.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What you are feeling in the sense of
these large blocks of energy moving about is the repositioning of those
meta-organizations for a better relationship with even larger groups of
organizations on the meta-plane.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If
you were to do an intuitive search of the meta-organizations on the Internet,
you would begin to see the playing field that we were working in.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You could see that there are successes,
even when international news appears very chaotic and very much awry.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Thank you.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I will release the podium to my Dear
Associate and Friend, Machiventa Melchizedek.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is Machiventa Melchizedek; I am
open for questions if you have some at this time.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>Options for
reducing flawed genes</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Hello, Machiventa.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>While we recognize a large fraction of
Urantians have, or potentially have, mental health issues, we recognize that
some of us have flaws that have been introduced into our genetic material,
either through malice or natural gene mutations.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What are our options to reduce the
number of us with flawed genes leading to mental health issues?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We have spoken to you about this
numerous times in the past, and that your medical technologies and genetic
technologies are adequate enough now to begin a broad analysis of all
individuals who are less than age 20 to assist them in determining whether they
should have children or not.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Ultimately, it is a personal decision.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Population management ultimately is a
personal decision.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That decision
can be assisted through enculturation by education and the family to assist the
individual when they become of age to reproduce to know ahead of time of their
genetic anomalies.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is important
for them to know ahead of time whether they are pre-disposed to produce children
with genetic anomalies that could cause them to have an impairment in their
quality of life and their ability to grow into their potential equally as those
who are totally healthy.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>Mental health
issues secondary to environmental factors</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We also recognize that some of us have
mental health issues secondary to what I am calling, “environmental
factors”—child abuse, sexual abuse, post traumatic stress disorder, learning
disabilities, being bullied at school, living in poverty, having inadequate
adult supervision, etc.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What are
our options to reduce the number of individuals who have mental health issues,
secondary to these environmental factors?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In this situation you are seeing the
injured individuals as symptoms of a larger social dynamic.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(Dynamic is an inadequate word.)<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What you are seeing in those individuals
who are injured is evidence of predators of abuse.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is something that must cease in a
society that has chosen to move towards or grow into social stability and social
sustainability.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Your examples would
move upon a gradient:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>some abuse is
minor, whereas repeated minor abuse causes greater and greater injury, whereas
maybe one single incident of immense gross abuse would cause PTSD in a child as
they grow up, which would cause them great difficulty, and in some cases the
abuse would manifest in trans-generational terms, where one who is abused as a
child would begin to abuse other children when they are older.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In this case society must take very
stern measures to remove that predation of its people or its populace.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>What is so grossly disturbing to
us is the tolerance for moral and ethical predation by members of your society,
upon those who are weaker.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is
unconscionable on any level, whether a human society or a spiritual group, the
acceptance of such gross moral anomalies is indicative of the moral corruption
that is endemic in your society.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Saying that is quite an indictment, don’t you think?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(<B> MMc: </B>Yes.)<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And so it is that when your societies
begin to think about and contemplate the measures of social sustainability and
what your societies must do to move more powerfully into the future, to become
sustainable will require incredible moral decisions and strength on the part of
your societies to curb those negative influences.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>We understand and know what those
measures must ultimately be, but the decisions to invoke those measures are
totally mortal.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It will be one of
the most difficult decisions of all time for any society to take, and we speak
in general terms as we do not want to form opinions this early in our discussion
about those measures that mortals must take in their societies to curb
predation.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It will dawn upon some
of the early thinkers of social sustainability what these measures will be, and
they too will refrain from discussing it in publications, but eventually it will
become so egregious that there must be a public decision about what to do.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Further, the cataclysms of the future
will create such a horrendous crush and pressure upon society to preserve those
who are capable of surviving as to remove those individuals who continue their
predation upon other individuals who are weaker.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Are there certain mental health
diagnoses that point to flawed genetics?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You have a better understanding than I
do, though I know completely of what you speak, you must discuss this among
yourselves and for me to reiterate what you know would not be productive at this
point in our relationship.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is known that many people have mental
health issues, and if we are to shrink this number we need to become more
sensitive in our evaluation.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What
sorts of evaluations for mental illness would you suggest?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We ask you to apply due diligence in
your own consideration and experience within your medical sciences to answer
those questions.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Once you have
begun that and have expired all options, you are welcome to ask for our
assistance.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The midwayers will
assist you in gaining more ideas and options in your mind about how to
proceed.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I’m going to give up the floor.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Is there anyone else with questions for
Machiventa?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>Physical illnesses
portrayed as mental illnesses</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Student:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Could you please talk about how a
physical illness can be portrayed as a mental illness?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Certainly.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is in the realm of psychosomatics,
which is a fairly well developed field of study in your medical sciences.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is the meeting place between the mind
and the body, where the body manifests some illness or manifestation of illness,
manufactured by the mind.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is
evidence of the malformed thinking process from early childhood that developed
into the individual’s adulthood, and became a topic or fetish or compulsion in
the mind that was repeated over and over again.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In its grossest form it is
hypochondriasis and you have seen many manifestations of hypochondriacal
thinking, which led to an overly gross interest in medical problems of the
individual, where and in fact, they are fairly well healthy.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Mental beliefs and attitudes about the
individual and their body become manifest even in real terms, and oftentimes
under treatment do not show any improvement.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is an indication that it may have
its origin in the thinking of the individual.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>These manifestations can be in the
extreme forms, which may be capable of causing death to the individual, or they
may be simply manifest as an allergy or an itch, or something of that sort.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is difficult to address, and it is
difficult to treat in the medical sciences capability of your medical
professions at this time.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Student:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>One of the reasons I asked this question
was when I was in my late teens—19 or so—I had been very ill a couple of times,
and I developed, unbeknownst to me, at the time as hyperthyroidism, and that was
a physical illness and it manifested in a way like “manic,” I would get very
manic, and that is what I am referring to is that as an illness as well—that a
person could have this illness and exhibit some kind of mental illness through
it.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Am I right in thinking this
way?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, you are correct.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is important that your medical
professionals begin with the physical to actually do tests to assess the level
or condition of your thyroid by analyzing blood samples, and so on, to know what
is occurring with the thyroid.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This
hyperactivity may appear to be a manic episode, where in fact it is an
expression of hyperthyroidism.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This
mistake could become serious if it were treated as a mental illness problem,
then it would continue to cause problems and psychotropic medications would not
help, but may in fact, exacerbate the situation.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Does that help?<SPAN
style="COLOR: red"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Student:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, thank you, Machiventa, it certainly
does because that was just one thing I related with as far as physical illness
and mental illness goes, and as untreated I could see where it would become a
terrible problem.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I was wondering
if there are any others in the body that would manifest that way, beside the
thyroid gland?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There could be many; it will become
necessary as your medical sciences mature, to learn from other cultural/medical
databases. The Chinese and other sources have a well-developed analysis of
psychosomatic illnesses, as well as mental illnesses, and they are able to
assess in some cases much more accurately than Western allopathic medical
practices.</P>
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<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000
size=3>Depression</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Student:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This leads me into asking you if you
would please discuss depression?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Certainly.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Depression is quite an anomaly that is
far more complex than most people understand.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>First of all, you are organisms whose
organic origins come from the earth.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>You, as a species are very old, and so you are affected by the
environment where you live, whether it is in the tropics or in the higher
latitudes, where the amount of sunlight coming to you has an affect on some
people, whereas it has little affect on others.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There are other anomalies associated
with where you live on the planet, some of which are not readily apparent.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Certain degrees of magnetic strength in
the earth have an effect upon your body and mind mechanism, particularly the
junction between the mind and the brain.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>There is a mechanism involved—electro-chemical mechanism—that can cause
depression due to geographic circumstances.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is quite an oddity, I know, but it
does occur and it occurs in specific places around the world.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Secondly, depression can be a
manifestation of genetic disorders in your DNA structure, and can be passed on
from one generation to another.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Depression can be latent; it can exist in an individual in the latent
manner, and not manifest itself until there are circumstances that are external,
which cause the shock to the individual in some emotional way.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The interface between the emotional
energy and the spiritual in the individual is very strong; it is also very
strong between the emotional generation and the mind mechanism.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Depression such as that may appear to be
circumstantial, which it is, and it may be episodic and dependent upon events in
the person’s life whether it manifests or does not.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Once it becomes an operational part of
the mind mechanism, it is most difficult to root out.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>The specific area we address now
in this conversation is that depression is mind-dependent, meaning that the
thinking and command-mind, the will-mind, can have a powerful effect upon the
mind mechanism and the mind-side of your being.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The will-mind has a choice whether to be
passive and accept what the mind presents, or refuse to accept what the
mind-presents.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In other words, you
can refuse to be depressed.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is
as with many other learned behaviors and expressions in your life, it takes time
to learn to be depressed; it takes time as well to learn not to be depressed,
and not to allow depression into your mind.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is where advanced minds are helpful
to the individual, that they can be self-observing, even in conversation, even
in the conversation of their own mind [during] thinking, to be attentive and
aware of the evidences of depression and to make a command decision not to
accept those thoughts.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>This may seem awfully surreal to
many of you, but it is a part of living as a developed mind mechanism that is
struggling to overcome the vicissitudes of events and environment, and the
pre-disposition to the depression.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Minds that can exercise this amount of authority—the will-mind that has
the capacity to command this level of authority over the mind mechanism is one
that has the capacity to evolve more completely into the sub-morontial levels of
mind-thinking, mental activity, while remaining as a mortal.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>One of the fortunate things about this
is that it is hard to form prejudices or elitism among individuals who are
self-observing and capable of self-correction in their thinking between
themselves and those who do not.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>The advantage of self-observing individuals is that they would be aware
of any egoism in their thinking and attend to that as well, so that elitism
would not become a part of their thinking.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>As self-observation develops the ability to command the territory of the
mind mechanism become more and more complete.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is the journey into becoming
Christ-like. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Jesus had the same challenges,
even with his perfect mind, he had to overcome the cultural influences upon his
mind mechanism that were given to him as an infant and as a young child—a
youngster—and given to him by the church, by his faith, and so on.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>As he came into his adolescent years,
his will-mind became more and more identified with the God-presence within him,
his Thought Adjuster, and he was rapidly becoming self-aware of those
manipulations and the erroneous activity of his birth mind mechanism, and move
into his morontial self early on.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>This was totally complete upon his baptism in the river Jordan, so once
that had occurred, then he became fully identified with the morontial mind
within him and had complete command over the mind mechanism of his
mortality.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is your journey as
well.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It will not be completed for
most of you in this lifetime; it will have begun for many of you in this
lifetime, and surely will take much remediation for many of you in the mansion
worlds in the afterlife.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>You see, Dear One, that the
question about depression is not simple, though it is much more rationally
thought about by individuals who are self-aware.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We strive to assist those of you who are
marginal in your capacity to be self-observing, to assist you to grow into that
strength.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Your Thought Adjuster has
begun this process, even as it first was monitoring your first moral
decision.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is the beginning of
self-observation, and is the beginning of moving into your spiritual adulthood
in this lifetime, and into your morontial childhood in this lifetime as
well.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Thank you for your question; it
was thoughtfully given and I hope it was thoughtfully received.</P>
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<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>Teenagers and
depression</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Student:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you so much I could hug you,
Machiventa!<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That was just what I
needed, and the fact that we go back again to the power of thought and how
strong it is, and how we can change our life so much by using it.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I have one more question and that has to
do with the age factor with teenage children.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It seems like depression seems to affect
them a lot.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Is it to due to their
changing years, or their young years?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Could you explain it, please? </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, that is a very complex era, as one
moves out of the innocence of childhood into the anomalies and difficulties of
your society, of growing into your body, which is so unfamiliar to you, and
which hormonal activity begins to influence the thinking.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>As a child now moves into that era,
where the animalism, the origins, the primal origins of your species begins to
become active, and where there has been no preparation in childhood for these
adolescent years and the responsibilities of adulthood, there is much confusion
in the mind of the child who is moving into young adulthood.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is an educational enculturating
factor that must be corrected very early on in the Correcting Time, which we
have already spoken of a number of times.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>It is important that children be prepared for these tumultuous years to
know what is right and what is wrong, and to know what works and what does not
work in their social relationships with others, and how they can evaluate their
own thinking, that through this training, they become self-observing.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Yes, the years of growing through
adolescence into young maturity in the late teens and particularly in the early
20’s—they become well developed in the mid-20’s—is the time, an era, where the
formulation of thinking and actual behavioral responses to those thoughts begins
to be manifest.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thus you see why
and how abuse in childhood becomes manifest in early adulthood, and begins to
become expressed in behavior.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Long
before that, those behaviors were being acted out in the mind and thinking of
the individual.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That is why it is
important to teach these early youngsters what to accept and what not to accept
with themselves and the reasons for doing so.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is eventual [that] they become a much
more social individual, an individual who can work well with others—easily with
others—and work easily with themselves, to know their own thinking and how to
behave in response to it.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>So, you are beginning to see the
continuum of all life.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is
important that these positive ways of thinking and self-evaluation,
self-observation be instilled in early years, which gives the young adult and
the older adult—the maturing adult—and then in the elder years a peaceful way of
observing themselves and to accept where they are.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The great difficulty in many of your
societies, particularly in western societies, is that there is often rejection
of the life-style and worldview as one ages.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The simple fact that one ages and gets
older is rejected by many people who want to live in their youth and remain
youthful, and not to appreciate their years as now a time to discern what truly
works.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is a time to gather the
wisdom of life and living that perhaps they can share in service with those who
are younger.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If this does not
answer your question, I invite you to continue your questioning until you are
satisfied.</P>
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<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>Teenagers and
suicide</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Student:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you, Machiventa.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Now when a teenager commits suicide—and
it’s quite often because of depression, the result of depression—or at least
most of the time it seems to be—why are we not able to help them before they
commit suicide?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is largely because you have no
options to help yourself now, as a person who is not depressed.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Do you follow that?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(<B>Student:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Not quite.)<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That your enculturation processes [of]
teaching young ones to grow into their adulthood is not present.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The worst cases you see in some
families, there is absolutely an absence of enculturation or even caring or love
for the offspring.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>These children
do not feel safe; they do not feel secure; they do not feel appreciated or
accepted, and interpret that as being rejected.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The fallacy of young children is that
they think their parents are omniscient, that their parents are the ultimate
authority of what is and what is not.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>It is most unfortunate when it occurs because in most cases the parents
are in the same quandaries of life and living and have never asked the questions
that give life meaning for themselves and how they can produce productive
children.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is a very sad
situation where millions of children are not welcome into a family, or couple
situation, but simply were a biological product of an act of sex and
intercourse.</P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT size=3><FONT
color=#008000></FONT></FONT></U> </H2>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>Enculturation
missing in societies concerning males</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Student:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you, that helps me a lot.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And so therefore, as in enculturation,
is it because there are more males/men/boys committing suicide than females or
women?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Is that enculturation
too?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, in its grossest form.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Your cultures—if you take the work
enculturation—there is no formula present, that has been created for developing
a culture of sound, whole, thinking males.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Women have a culture of their own that surrounds family and birthing
children, and creating a nuclear family with children in that purpose.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What is missing from the feminine
culture also is the necessity, the responsibility to enculturate children, both
males and females to become whole and complete.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You are seeing where fathers are not
capable of being supportive partners in the family situation; they have not
learned that and they have not been given that enculturation, but are in fact,
absent fathers and do not know how to exist in a family situation and make
contributions.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In many cases in
some cultures and national ethnic groups this has gone on for multiple
generations.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Family is a creation
of intention and purpose.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That is
why having children is such an integral part of that development of sustainable
societies.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Sustainable societies do
not come into existence spontaneously, but through the conscious intention to do
so, where it begins is in the family.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>Evolving or
devolving societies</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Your question goes to the very
heart of developing a positive, constructive growing and evolving society, or
one that is devolving.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What you are
seeing in your own societies in North America and other nations is the
simultaneous evolution and devolution within the same national boundaries.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Student:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you very much for answering all my
questions.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I have no more right
now.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(<B>Machiventa:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You are most welcome.)</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>Peer pressure of
popularity among teens</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Roxie:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Along these lines of talking about
teenagers, it seems to me that in our culture that children go through some of
their most intensive growth during their teenage years in regard to what they
think of as “personality,” which of course, is very different from <I>The
Urantia Book</I> definition.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>For
example, they think about being “popular,” “pretty”—that kind of thing that goes
into what they think of and what they are trying to develop as their
personality.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Is it considered kind
of fighting against what their true personality is that is trying to develop
that gets in the way and causes some of the mental problems that so many
teenagers have?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, you are roughly correct.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is important to let children
know—infants and very young children, and particularly in the ages below age 9,
and so on, and particularly before they enter their teen years — that they
understand that they are a unique individual, that they have their own
personality and that they must come to know what they are made of, who they are,
how they feel about themselves and that they are perfect as they are.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What you are speaking about is the
developed need to be accepted and appreciated and recognized by peers, so the
individual strives to develop a social persona that matches that of their
dominant social group.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This will
provide them with acceptance and recognition and appreciation.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The more conformance to that, the more
integral and part of that social persona they become.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The rejection of individuals from that
group is horrendous, as it is a problem that causes rejection, and personal
alienation from that group, where the individual interprets this as being
abnormal, and that they are not part of the dominant group, but the rejected
sub-group, and they are ostracized or exiled from that dominant group.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>It must be conveyed early to
children, before the teen years that these situations will occur, and that there
will be a dominant social group where they can choose to participate in and
compete, but the harm and hazard is that they may be rejected.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is important to know that it is usual
that from this subordinate, non-dominant group that these individuals are
exceptional in many ways, that these oftentimes become the cultural
leaders.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I’m not saying social
leaders or political leaders or economic leaders, because those individuals
usually come from the dominant social group, but individuals who are creative,
who are genius level mathematicians, artists and academics and so on, that there
is a reason the way they are, and that they must find their way.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is not that we are soliciting that
individuals who are not part of the dominant group, become a part of rejects and
outcasts and identify themselves as outcasts, but see themselves as unique in
many ways, and provide the quality and texture of society that gives life so
much greater meaning for those who have been so very “vanilla” in the early
parts of their years.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>The meaning and
purpose of baptism</FONT></U></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Roxie:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you; that’s helpful.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>My last question is unfortunately not on
the mental health issue but is one that keeps coming up for me.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It was even mentioned in the prolog
today.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In my Urantia Book study
group recently, we’ve been reading in the Jesus Papers about the baptism of
Jesus, and then later how the followers of John continued with the baptism
ritual.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>How important is that in
your opinion?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I’m not even sure of
what comes out of the baptism experience that is helpful, since I have never
been baptized.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Could you discuss
this, please?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Certainly.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I would be glad to.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Baptism is an event.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If you were baptized as an infant, then
you do not remember that.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is in
the minds of the parents and the witnesses that it becomes important, that they
then take on the responsibility of your enculturation and your indoctrination
into your base of your faith, those creedal documents and beliefs which support
your religious life later on.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Baptism from our perspective is not an important event “except” when it
is consciously recognized by the individual who is being baptized as “becoming a
new person.”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is the
identification that occurs within this event that is most important, that the
individual has made a conscious intention to be baptized and for what
purposes:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>to be baptized to carry
on the creedal beliefs of the religion, or the beliefs of “becoming” as Jesus
“became,” to become a morontial being in this lifetime.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Oftentimes, this is attended with
beliefs and thoughts and consciousness by the individual that they have a mystic
relationship with God, that they have had a “God experience,” a religious
experience, which is transpersonal and which brings them into a new awareness of
their being-ness.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is truly
being baptized “in the spirit” that you have experienced the oneness of knowing
God.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Oftentimes, this is forgotten
by the individual due to the social circumstances of the baptism, that the
social activities overcomes this trans-formative inner experience of meeting and
knowing God in the spirit.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When it
is forgotten and lost, it can be renewed in the future through a meditation and
through “walking with God.”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes,
baptism is important.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is
important to us when it is important to you, that it not only signifies a
transformation of your being, but that you have actually become a “new being” in
the consciousness of the risen Christ.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Roxie:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>So, how does one become baptized if they
don’t belong to one of the churches or religious groups on Urantia?</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You can baptize yourself, my Dear.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You simply invite your guardians, your
Thought Adjuster and the midwayers to be with you, to open your mind mechanism
to the presence and energy of the Christedness within you.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Christedness is synonymous with a
spiritual relationship with your Thought Adjuster.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You can do this through a retreat of
your own.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You can do it on a
retreat with other people with a similar purpose, but eventually it comes when
you “come apart from others” in your consciousness.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Even if you are with a group of people,
you can come away in your consciousness to be alone and consecrated in your
relationship with your Thought Adjuster.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Do you see what I am speaking
of?</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Roxie:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, that is very, very helpful to
me.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you.
(<B>Machiventa:</B><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You are
welcome.)<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I have no further
questions.</P>
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<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><U><FONT color=#008000 size=3>Seeking wholeness
of being and oneness with God</FONT></U></H2>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></B>Thank you for your time today, and I
thank you for the depth of your questions, and your search for wholeness—some
call this truth; some call this oneness—it is wholeness.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is the truth of your being that you
are mortals becoming transcendent and morontial.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You are in the process of understanding
your life as mortals, what is this about and learning to become more than you
are.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You are learning to become
something “new.”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Both of these
catch words and button words are similar to what you have heard in other
religions, and that you become not only identified with, but you become one with
the purposes of your life as a spiritual being, under the tutelage of your
Thought Adjuster, to be reunited eventually with the First Source and Center in
Paradise.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Along the way there are
great misunderstandings, particularly in a society that does not understand even
its own existence as a social entity of millions of people, or the
meaningfulness of the individual within that group.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>The Correcting Time is a powerful
program of enduring nature that will see you as individuals and as nations of
people, and as a planetary civilization into the Days of Light and Life, where
you are settled.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is our hope
that you as individuals may attain that same level of peace and tranquility in
your personal lives now, as you grow into oneness with your Thought
Adjuster.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>For this, we praise you
for your efforts and diligence to pursue these ends.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Good day.</P>
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