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<H1 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0070c0"><FONT size=5>New
Era Conversations #63 – Religions in Crises – Feb 22,
2016<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></H1>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Machiventa Melchizedek</B>,
Planetary Manager/Planetary Prince</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Topics:</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0070c0">Update on the Correcting Time
progress<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0070c0">How to improve the educational process for our
children<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0070c0">Educational special programs<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0070c0">Lagging behind in ethics<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0070c0">Religions are an intellectual
development<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0070c0">Religions must move into a dynamic inner
experience<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0070c0">Making readjustments to human
values<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0070c0">Religions are in crises<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0070c0">Over-population and our natural
resources<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0070c0">Over-population jeopardizes the social sustainability of
others<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0070c0">Population must aspire to ideals rather than
ideas<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0070c0">Focus on the future for education and
ethics<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0070c0">Place-finding devices for the
unemployed<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0070c0">The role of revelations in our
future<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0070c0">The real religion of personal spiritual
experience<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0070c0">Institutionalized religion<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0070c0">Reinvigorating civilization<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0070c0">Human rights are associated with social
duties<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0070c0">Unlimited freedom is dangerous<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0070c0">Science, philosophy and spiritual
experience<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0070c0">Factors in early civilization<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0070c0">Dalamatia and the 6 core values<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0070c0">Getting started with the 6 core
values<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0070c0">Closing statement<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>TR:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Daniel Raphael</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Team Members:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Roxanne Andrews, Michael McCray, and a
Student</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Invocation</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>February 22,
2016,<o:p></o:p></B></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Good morning, this is Machiventa
Melchizedek.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is a pleasure to be
with you once again.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0070c0"><U><FONT
size=3>Update on the Correcting Time progress<o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Our developments are going
apace.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What that means is that we
are working developmentally into the future, we are preparing steps for the
rapid unfoldment of our work as those developments become completed, other
developments follow quickly.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We
have said this before and say it again that time is of the essence, time is very
short, it is running out, and that the flexibility even for Deities and for
immortals, for the Celestial Realm and the Spiritual Realm is limited by the
temporal necessities of a world in pain.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Thus, our work will become more and more expedient until we gain the
upper hand on the investment of our programs on your world, and become an
influential force to not dominate, but to influence the mortal, temporal,
material realm around you.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This
will take some time and the unfolding of thousands, if not tens of thousands of
developments around the world to receive the messages of Christ Michael that
mortals would understand and may not even recognize that they originate from
Christ Michael in the Correcting Time.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Yes, once again, that message is
nebulous, it is fuzzy, it is indeterminate, it does not have any substantiation
that you can see around you, but you will see this and you will know who it is
from when it becomes evident to you in the near future.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We thank you for this opportunity to
make this address this morning.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>If you have questions, please
address them now.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0070c0"><U><FONT size=3>How
to improve the educational process for our
children<o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Would you tell us more about how we
might improve the educational process for our children and young adults?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, to repeat what we have said a
number of times before, it begins with the parents; it begins with informing the
parents what and how to socialize and enculturate their children with the
information that will assist them to survive as social beings inter-personally
and intra-personally with themselves, with their family and with society.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The earlier step is to educate, inform
and train parents how to do that.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0070c0"><U><FONT
size=3>Educational special programs<o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Are there any educational special
programs that you would suggest?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They exist, but they are not organized;
they have not had an intention to form or educate parents how to do that.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This must be the intention of some
educational entity that is independent of public and academic education in the
world.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It requires some independent
facilitative agency that can collect and organize and collate and publish the
material and train teachers how to teach and train parents, and parents learn
how to apply it in their family situation.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>This is one of the most eminent programs of the Correcting Time that we
have in mind.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Is there any specific educational
program that you wish to teach, or is there anything specific that you wish to
be taught to young people?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This was just covered in the last
answer.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0070c0"><U><FONT
size=3>Lagging behind in ethics<o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><I>The Urantia Book</I> mentions that
ethics is an area in which we have not kept pace; our ethics lag behind.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Would you please tell us more about how
we might improve our ethical treatment of others?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Certainly.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What is required first is a morality
that has integrity, that is consistent, that is long-lived and is organic to the
nature of humans.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This new morality
would then be based upon the 6 values of social sustainability.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>From there, there would be an ethics
development that would come about.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>We know that this is an incomplete answer to your question, but let us
have it suffice at this time.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0070c0"><U><FONT
size=3>Religions are an intellectual
development<o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Paper 92:7.4 says in part, “All these
[evolutionary] religions have arisen as a result of man’s variable intellectual
response to his identical spiritual leading.”<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>“ … these are all intellectual.”<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I don’t quite completely understand what
is meant by referring to the evolutionary religions as intellectual.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Can you explain this for me please?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Certainly.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Religions are an intellectual
development; they are an artificial structure designed by the human mind to
organize the efforts of more than one individual to participate in religious
exercises, rituals, and ceremonies.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>They were not developed or devised by Jesus; they were not plans given to
you by your Thought Adjusters.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It
is simply a development of mortals to help them understand and make sense of the
relationship that they have with the spirit within and the spirit without.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Would you kindly say a few words about
Joshua Ben Joseph and why he might be considered a true hero?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is sufficiently given in <I>the
Urantia Book</I>.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><U><SPAN
style="COLOR: #ff6600"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></U></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><U><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0070c0">Religions must move into a dynamic inner
experience</SPAN></U><SPAN style="COLOR: #0070c0"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In Paper 92:7.9 in part, it says,
“Thinking men and women want religion redefined, and this demand will compel
religion to re-evaluate itself.”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Would you care to explain this a little more for us, please?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Most certainly.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thinking men and women realize that the
artificial constructs of the human mind to create an artificial organization
called religion is insufficient for them to have the sense of values, the
feelings of values of spiritual existence within themselves and manifest in the
world around them.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In other words,
that the hierarchy of needs of individuals to have an improving quality of life
and to grow equally as others is now insufficiently provided by religions.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Just as your democracies must undergo a
movement from the first paradigm of democracy to the second paradigm of
democracy, your religions must move from the archaic, crystallized format of
religion to the new dynamic inner experience of the individual with the God
presence within them, and know that through their spiritual connection with the
Divine within them, they can manifest their fullest expressions of life, and
grow into the ultimate dimensions of their mind and spirit potential within
them, equally as Jesus did.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>So you feel this is a situation
eventuality that all people will come to?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>No.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0070c0"><U><FONT
size=3>Making readjustments to human values<o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Paper 92:7.10 says, “Modern man is
confronted with the task of making more readjustments of human values in one
generation than have been made in two thousand years.”<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Would you care to remark on these
thoughts for us, please?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, you are living in that generation
now.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0070c0"><U><FONT
size=3>Religions are in crisis<o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"
class=MsoNormal><STRONG> <o:p></o:p></STRONG></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Paper 99:1.3 reads in part, “…religion
as a social influence is to stabilize the ideals of mankind during these
dangerous times of transition from one phase of civilization to another, from
one level of culture to another.”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Would you like to explain this in more detail for us, please? </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The times now are evident that this is a
necessity for religion to undergo.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Religions truly are in a crisis; they are inadequate, as they have been
formed by the human mind to explain all the vicissitudes and difficulties of an
International social community.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>This is going to be a time of tremendous chaos, as you might call it, a
volatile, uncertain, complex and ambiguous situation (VUCA) for religions, and
the new thinkers of the churches must come into the awareness of the values of
social sustainability and how they are connected to the creation of humans by
your Creator, Christ Michael, and the First Source and Center as some people
deem the Creator to be.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You were
created as images of God; you aspire to grow; you want to have a greater quality
of life, which encompasses all the 7 spheres of human existence.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>[Physical, mental, emotional,
intellectual, social, cultural, and spiritual.]<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And you want to do so equally as the
most capable, insightful individual on earth.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Your example for that, of course, is in
the man called Jesus and his life, and how he lived.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You aspire to have a greater quality of
life and to grow into your infinite capacity because you were created by God,
and as the most evident commandment of God is to become “perfect as I am,” God
has provided you with the capacity and the capability to do so.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You simply must have the <I>will</I> to
engage that voluntarily.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I don’t really understand as religion
operates in the world today, it operates in conjunction with both the political
and economic bases of society.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN><I>The Urantia Book</I> is pretty adamant about explaining that that
situation is not ideal for religion of the future.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Is there a place for<SPAN
style="COLOR: #ff6600"> </SPAN>institutional religion in our future, or will we
see a switch to personal religion or true religion in our future?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is not simply an either/or situation
at all.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There will always be
religion, and there will always be the quest by the individual to have a
personal relationship with the Divine within them, under whatever form of
religion they call it, because mankind has the Spirit of God within them, there
is always a yearning to engage that, to know that personally, and to know that
Source intimately.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Those who are of
a minded nature will create these artificial social constructs called “churches
and religions,” and they will have fellowship with each other, and oftentimes
forget the reasons why they are there.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>It is to commune with each other and with the source of their
commonality, the God within.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MMc:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I’d like to stop here.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Ladies, do you have any questions?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0070c0"><U><FONT
size=3>Over-population and our natural
resources<o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN></H2>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Roxie:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I have some questions related to the
reading assignment that you gave us.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>In Paper 81:6.3, concerning our natural resources, our over-population is
using/wasting too many of our natural resources, particularly fresh water and
oil and polluting our air in the process.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>BP published a “Statistical Review of World Energy” in 2012 that said if
we continued our world consumption of oil, we are already past “peak oil,” and
will run out of oil by the year 2067 or sooner.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What will future generations do without
oil for all the products that use petroleum, such as plastics and
pharmaceuticals?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I see this as a
“now” problem because we aren’t doing anything to solve the problem that will
take a very long time to solve—<I>if</I> it is solvable.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Your comments, please?</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>First of all, the paper was predicated
on data that preceded its publication in 2012.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Since 2012 there has been an upsurge
globally of the availability and reserves of petroleum around the world due to
fracking technologies.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That has
incredibly increased the quantities of petroleum available worldwide.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What is unknown to you and to other
writers, and to other futurists is the decimation, the species die-off of Homo
sapiens that will occur in the future, which will allow those who remain to have
access to immense natural resources including petroleum.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The inheritance they will also gain will
be a planet that is quite dirty and polluted.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Water sources must be cleaned up and the
atmosphere and oceans must be treated as a sacred reservoir of inertia for the
maintenance of a good working order of your planet.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There are many aspects that analysts,
futurists, and predictors have ignored, or have not taken into account in their
publications.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Roxie:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I know that we absolutely need to
control population growth, but in observing how vehemently Americans cling to
their Constitutional rights to have guns, I see them just as rabidly hanging
onto having their rights to procreate without societal interference as to
whether some couples would, or would not, be allowed to have children, or to
regulate how many they may have.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>They might even see this issue as being a protected right according to
the 3 core values and the Constitution of life, liberty and the pursuit of
happiness.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You and Monjoronson have
stated many logical reasons for why we need to control population growth, but
how are we to win over others with this highly emotional issue?</P>
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<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0070c0"><U><FONT
size=3>Over-population jeopardizes the social sustainability of
others<o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN></H2>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The direct answer to your question, the
last clause of your statement is “going with the flow.”<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Which means, in this regard, that the
responsibilities of social sustainability are personal, but yet the morality of
social sustainability is social, meaning that yes, you have a right to procreate
to the point where it does not jeopardize the social sustainability of
others.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is a very tightly
focused topic that will be discussed vehemently and politically, and even
violently in some cases, where people say that they have the right to have as
many children as they want.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is
incredibly selfish and it is immoral according to the values of social
sustainability.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You are going to
see in this generation, in answer to, and following an earlier question about
how long will it take to change the values of your world, which is in one
generation already begun.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>You have approximately 25 years
of social chaos in front of you, individually, locally, nationally, and
Internationally.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There will be an
immense struggle of populations and ideologies throughout the world, and there
will be a continuing shredding and separation between groups and ideologies, and
as you know, separation is the anathema of sustainability.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You must come to one mind and of one
philosophy, one set of values to integrate the functions of all human activity
on your world, and those values and the morality that develops from that is the
morality of social sustainability, which requires personal, organizational,
social, societal, political, governmental, economic, and financial
responsibility.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You do not live
alone; you do not live alone on an island by yourself, but you are connected
with others and your responsibilities for procreation, as well as for the use of
natural resources impact upon everyone else.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You will, in this generation, come to
find that the whole does affect the individual as much as the individual affects
the whole.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That reciprocal
responsibility must be ingrained in the children that are now being raised by
parents.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is unfortunate that
this will not become a thoroughgoing effort until later in this decade, and into
the following decade.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>By then, you
will have seen immense chaos in the world where the only sense that makes that
rational is the sense of the values that are innate to your DNA, the values that
were given to you by your Creator.</P>
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<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0070c0"><U><FONT
size=3>Population must aspire to ideals rather than
ideas<o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN></H2>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Roxie:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>[81:6.8]<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Scientific knowledge should be traveling
by leaps and bounds because of the Internet, and it is in some cases.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>My concern is that such a large portion
of our population is scientifically illiterate.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They would rather spend their time
playing games on their iPhones, or texting friends with trivia, or watching dumb
situation comedies on TV, instead of adding to their knowledge via the Internet,
books or television.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I am
particularly concerned especially for the children and what they aren’t learning
that they will need in the future.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>In American schools, it is getting difficult to find teachers qualified
to teach science classes.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Is there
a way to turn this around, or will the public in general just keep finding more
games to play on their iPhones?</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Let me take liberties with your
question.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The question really does
not deal with science as a total mechanism.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What you are looking at is the external
as to the internal development of individuals; you are talking about the
concentrated focus on and interest in materialism, as opposed to ethics,
morality, eugenics, philosophy, and sociology, for example.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You are looking at the ultimate division
of those who will beget the new world and those who will be victims of it.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You, as a population, must aspire to the
ideals rather than to the ideas.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>You will survive only by the ideals because ideas will be insufficient to
carry you forward.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Ideas come in
the form of missiles and mortar shells and artillery shells, and so on.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Ideals come in the values to aspire to,
which will create and bridge those differences between materialism and
spirituality.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Roxie:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>[81:6.25]<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><I>The Urantia Book</I>, written in the
mid 1930s said that we have advanced in culture because of travel and
communications, but have not kept up in education, the family structure or in
ethics.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Do celestials still see it
that way, or is it even worse now?</P>
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<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0070c0"><U><FONT
size=3>Focus on the future for education and
ethics<o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: .5in"
class=MsoFooter> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Historically it is the same.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Our focus, however, is on the
future.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We are not here to fix the
problems of the past, but to create solutions for the future.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The necessities of families, social
life, ethics, and philosophy are such that there must become a new means, a new
purpose, and intention for education.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Education, particularly in the United States has lost its intention; it
has no focus; it is incestuous intellectually, philosophically, and
morally.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is a lost soul
wandering in the idealism of culture.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>It thinks it is paramount among the sciences, yet it is of the lowest
nature.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What must occur, and will
surely occur—as there is no other alternative—but for education to take on the
challenge of your species, to learn how to sustain the species through its
activities in training, education, and academia.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What is the focus of education?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What is the intention of education?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Whether it is in “diaper daycare” or
whether it is in post-doctoral programs—the intention must be the same; it must
be the sustainability of the species and of the family, as the family is the
founding institution for civilization.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>It must be upon teaching individuals and families how to socialize
children and enculturate them so that they can sustain themselves, sustain their
families, and sustain their cultures.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Without this, your civilization will die.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Roxie:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This question may be a little related to
the last one.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>[81:6.27]<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><I>The Urantia Book</I> says,
“Intelligence may control the mechanisms of civilization, wisdom may direct it,
but spiritual idealism is the energy which really uplifts and advances human
culture from one level of attainment to another.”<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Concerning leadership choices in
America, are we moving backward?</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(Laughing.)<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If you do not see the answer for
yourself, then this conversation is worthless.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Roxie:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(Laughing.)<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I guess I just wanted to see what you
would say about it.</P>
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<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0070c0"><U><FONT
size=3>Place-finding devices for the
unemployed<o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: .5in"
class=MsoFooter><STRONG> <o:p></o:p></STRONG></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Roxie:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>[81:6.31]<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><I>The Urantia Book</I> gives several
ideas for “place-finding devices,” for finding jobs for the unemployed.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I think our society is using those
ideas, but we still have a great number of those who have been unemployed for so
long and on the public dole, it no longer seems to bother them.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Would it work if society <I>required</I>
them to work on a public project, such as cutting diseased trees in our forests,
or building levees in flood-prone areas in exchange for wages instead of
handouts, or does this violate their free will?</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Those are good thoughts, they are well
founded, they are ingenious, yet they will fail if the <I>intentions</I> are not
foremost in these placement mechanisms.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>What is the intention of those placement activities?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That is not a rhetorical question; it is
a question in reality, for if you do not have the correct intentions for these
placement activities then what will develop will be confused and lost.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Again, the intentions of placement
activities must be first to assist the individual to improve the quality of
their life.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Most of all, it must
assist them to grow, so they become sufficiently capable within their own right,
their own existence to improve their quality of life once their placement has
provided them with the possibility of improving their quality of life and
growing.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is only fair, is it
not, because it allows them to grow equally as those who have opportunities that
were given to them by their parents, or by their social class and status, and
economic means?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In answering these
questions, first look to the intention of the organization and these social
functions; then you will have the answers that will become very plain to you in
the future as you reorganize your social institutions, whether it is employment,
whether it is government, whether it is schools, education, and so on.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Roxie:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>[81:34-36]<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Currently, many of our citizens want to
close our borders to Mexicans and Arabs, while the Europeans, Turks, and
Jordanians have been letting in large numbers of immigrants to their own
detriment.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Do you consider the US
to have an “intelligent patriotism under these circumstances?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We will decline from offering a comment
at this time on that subject.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><U><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0070c0">The role of revelations in our
future<o:p></o:p></SPAN></U></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Roxie:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>[92:4.1]<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Revelations in the past have been
successful because the people have been in awe of the charisma and demeanor of
the divine being.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Before large
numbers of people accept the Urantia teachings and all the suggestions of social
reconstruction of these transcripts, I believe that Monjoronson will need to
incarnate and win the people over with his dynamic presence.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Even then, not everyone will follow him,
just as the Sanhedrin refused the teachings of Jesus.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In today’s world, people will need a
strong leader from “off this world” since we do not have strong enough leaders
that all, or most of the people will accept.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I think it will take a very exceptional
being, like Monjoronson, and possibly the return of Christ Michael to be that
leader.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Am I off base with these
assumptions?</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes.</P>
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<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0070c0"><U><FONT size=3>The
real religion of personal spiritual experience<o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: .5in"
class=MsoFooter><STRONG> <o:p></o:p></STRONG></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Roxie:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That was a short answer.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>[99:2.1]<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><I>The Urantia Book</I> says that “Only
the real religion of personal spiritual experience can function helpfully and
creatively in the present crisis of civilization,” and that the current
institutional religions are too entwined with politics and economics and need to
be reconstructed along with society.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>What is the likelihood of finding enough religionists that have that
“enhanced cosmic foresight and superior wisdom” to serve on all the design teams
that will be doing the social and church reconstructions?</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Actually, the possibility is very
good.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>As you know, need is the
motivator for innovation.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>A need
will become so apparent in people’s minds concerning their religions that they
will come to create innovative processes, both within their churches and other
social institutions.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What is
presently being offered by Pope Francis is hope—hope that there is a means of
reforming within itself, its own practices within the Catholic Church.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What will come about through the
renovations of existent institutionalized religions will come about through the
recognition of the connection of these values of social sustainability that are
innate to humans, and the need for their religions to be in alignment with those
values.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Just as you will eventually
see democracies transforming themselves into organic democracies through the
inclusion and use of the values of social sustainability of your species, so
too, will you see that eventually God-based religions will become organic
religions using those values to validate church doctrine, church policies, and
church interpretations of scriptures.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>We see this time in the future as very exciting for those individuals who
are able to think outside the box of their religion, whether that is
Protestantism, Catholicism, or the Orthodox Church.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>You will eventually see an
incredible number of publications regarding religions involving the
interpretation of these values associated with your species.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It will become known that your species
was created by God, and God invested you with these six values so that you
understand how to grow into your immense, capability as a mortal.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And of course, for those who “will” to
do God’s Will, you could grow into this infinite and eternal possibility through
your union of the mystical relationship you have with God Within—this is the
true religious experience, is to experience God within you, that intimate and
personal relationship which brings grandeur to your existence, appreciation from
you as an individual of knowing God experientially.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>A revelation that will overcome your
churches is a revelation of millions of people who desire and become able to
know God personally and experience that presence.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Then you will have true social
evolution.</P>
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<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0070c0"><U><FONT
size=3>Institutionalized religion<o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Roxie:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>[99:4.3]<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In order for true religionists to
experience the new meanings and values it must not be standardized, stereotyped,
or formalized.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Does that mean the
true religionist should not be a part of institutional forms of religion, that
its religious practices should be a private matter but incorporating loving
social service?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There is no prohibition from being a
part of an institutionalized religion.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>One would want to bring flowers into any home with the fragrance they
give off, and so too, the ‘fragrance of a spiritually enthused individual’ who
knows God personally would be a welcome individual in any institutional
religious setting.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Roxie:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you very much, Machiventa.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I appreciate all your answers.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That completes my long list of
questions.</P>
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<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0070c0"><U><FONT
size=3>Reinvigorating civilization<o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN></H2>
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class=MsoFooter> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Student:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I have some questions, please.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>My first question is about in the<I>
Urantia Book. </I><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We have been told
that there is no new source for the maintenance of civilization, so as it is, it
must be maintained and fostered the way it is now.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>My question is:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If we humans engage in partnership with
spirit and work with spirit to become more spiritual, and this helps to change
our DNA, will this not be a new source for us as a civilization?</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>No, it has always existed there, and
that is one of the facets, one of the means by which your civilizations have
progressed.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You are simply now at
the global limits of your civilization.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>You, as a civilization, have expanded to the point where there are no
places on your world where humankind has not resided or has not explored.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The challenge now is to reinvigorate
your civilization in diminished numbers in the future.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This will require much thoughtful
consideration of living in peace, living in harmony with your environment.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There is much more that could be said to
this, but I will limit myself to that at this time.</P>
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<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0070c0"><U><FONT
size=3>Human rights are associated with social
duties<o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN></H2>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Student:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Every human right is associated with a
social duty.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Would you please
explain this in more detail?</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Certainly, and this will be a very
simplified answer.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Everyone has a
right to life.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Your duty is to
protect life, life whether it is existent, or whether it is potential; whether
it is life in utero, or life that is just born; or life that is now as a family,
begetting and procreating new children for the next generations; or whether it
is life that is protected in the elderly, who have the wisdom to share from
their lives if given the opportunity to share that.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thus, procreation is a right, but it is
a guarded right; it is not a right that can be lavishly expressed to the
detriment of others.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There is
throughout that prior right and duty, the right of liberty, the right of
self-determination. </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: .5in" class=MsoFooter><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"></SPAN> </P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0070c0"><U><FONT
size=3>Unlimited freedom is dangerous<o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Freedom unlimited is dangerous;
freedom that is limited becomes liberty.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Liberty is a recognition of the social responsibility between free
individuals to limit their freedom so that others can express and fulfill their
lives completely as you would.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The
interesting aspect of these rights and duties is expressed in democracies, and
they will particularly become systemic, or systems of systems of rights and
duties in an organic form of democracy.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>It is important that individuals see their rights and the reciprocal
obligations of their duties.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You
cannot have rights without responsible duties; irresponsible actions have a cost
affect upon others, and eventually upon all of society, and eventually your
civilization.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The rights and
responsibilities of a nation in a global civilization are immense.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Currently, national entities have
no moral obligation to observe those of others, as there is no morality existent
that limits or defines their capacities for the expression of their power with
other organizations or other nations.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>This is why the morality of social sustainability is important to become
a global phenomena, because at present there is no morality that governs
governments or organizations and corporations—they are without limit; they have
no bounds other than those granted by your statutes, and your statutes are
immensely deficient in moral character to limit the actions of organizations and
governments.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Because of that,
governments and organizations—and individuals who work for organizations—have
unlimited capability to manipulate the existent political, economic, and social
venues.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>You are seeing this with the
egregious separation of prosperity and poverty in your nation, and worldwide,
where 85 individuals own over 80% of your national economy.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This will not last, and if or when very
wealthy individuals realize that there is an option to this process that will
assist them to preserve their wealth in the future.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Even if that wealth is diminished, they
will assist that process to come into being.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is what we are hoping for, and this
is one of the tangents of probability that we have initiated in the world, so
that those individuals who are not egregiously greedy and avaricious would come
forward in altruism to assist their societies and their governments to devise
statutes, which would protect them and give economic advantage to
individuals.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>So you see, when you
consider morality and rights and duties it must all circulate around a rational
system of systems, social systems that have a common morality and a very clearly
understood value system.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Student:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you, Machiventa.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal>[<B>Daniel:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That was quite a question!<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And quite an answer.!</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><B>Student:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, and I really appreciate that answer
because it reinforces the 6 core values, and because the more and more people
that are going to be using the 6 core values, that is going to put more and more
pressure onto the people who think they have the right to bear arms, and the
have the right to procreate.]</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Student:</B> <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>My next question is:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Would you please tell us what we need to
know about the ethics of “might and right,” or have you just answered that
one?</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We have just answered that.</P>
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<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0070c0"><U><FONT
size=3>Science, philosophy and spiritual
experience<o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN></H2>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Student:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I just suddenly realized that.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This question I have really pondered
about asking, but I will ask it.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Would you please help us understand what we need to know about giving
equal consideration to the truth of science, philosophy, and spiritual
experience in helping us move forward as a civilization?</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This has been very well developed and
explained in <I>the Urantia Book.</I><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>As you are seeing now, there is a predominance of the scientific and
material aspects of life over the religious, spiritual, and philosophical.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There will be a time in the near future
within the next 15 years where your civilization, your societies will be in
repose.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The incessant activity of
day-to-day life will come to cessation and slowness, compared to what it is
now.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And in those times of
slowness, there is a time for reflection; and in reflection of going within,
that is the old established territory for the development of ideals and ethics
and philosophy and morality.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There
must come a time of repose and reflection for that balance to come into
existence.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Scientific developments have been
rushing forward with tremendous pace; there are still thousands of inventions
that are now in process, which will not come into expression until the years
following, which will even make the current pale in comparison
technologically.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yet sociologically
and morality wise—and philosophically—your nations are going backwards as a
whole.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yet we see, and particularly
myself as I review the surveys our Angelic Corps and Morontial Corps have done
throughout your world, is that there are many lights of intense brightness for
the development of what your civilization needs in the future.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, this will be sporadic, it will be
almost incoherent to begin with as it is now, but it will coalesce soon when the
values that are common to your species become globally known throughout all
areas of thought and interest.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You
are on the cusp of an immense social re-invention of your societies and of your
civilization.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0070c0"><U><FONT
size=3>Factors in early civilization<o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Student:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>One other question:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Would you please explain the following
sentence:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>“The chief factor in
early civilization was the force exerted by wise social masters.”<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Would you talk about that sentence,
please?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, certainly.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There was a time in the early history of
your species where there was constant hunting and gathering, and eventually they
learned the early rudiments of agriculture.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They soon learned how to produce
agricultural goods and to feed domesticated animals, rather than being on the
hunt continuously.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Some of them had
two home sites—winter homes in the warmer climates and summer homes to the
colder climates, which would allow for further growth and farming—agricultural
work.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And as this abundance grew,
there grew sufficient produce to have a creative “leisure class” to begin
thinking.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And of course, one of the
first ones was a shaman, or a religious phenomenological interpreter of what was
occurring around them.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And the
other was a chief of some sort, followed by his/her retinue.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>How your civilization developed
was through leisure time, and from that you had the development of philosophy,
ethics, fine arts and so on.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This
gave time to think about the development and formation of governments, and
eventually, need necessitated that a democratic form of government evolves and
this developed into what you see now.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Due to the fortuitous location of this nation and nations in North
America, it has developed into an incredibly prosperous nation that has given
rise to even greater leisure time by greater numbers of people.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yet the skewing towards materialistic
lifestyle and thinking that is oriented outside of the mind has given rise to a
very dulled population, and a very thoughtless population, that is in fact,
dependent upon central authority and the largess of government to maintain large
numbers of dull people.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>There are many people who live in
poverty who are not thinking; they are still oriented towards material life and
wealth as they see it.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>But the
wealth, as you know from history, has come also from individuals who are
impoverished and who lived in simple surroundings to think about what could be,
and what could become.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Abraham
Lincoln is one of those among many who came out of the woods, literally, to
become a national figure of immense courage and thoughtfulness philosophically
and humanitarily.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What is required
and what will also develop is that those who are in this respite time in the
future will ask, “Now what?”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And so
they will search around for the best answers, and of course the best answers
involve what is organic to their human nature to sustain and embellish their
lives in a more meaningful way.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Yes, the improved quality of life can assist you to move from a cave to a
shelter, and from a shelter, eventually, to a heated home with running water,
power and so on.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It does not mean
that the improved quality of life generates living in a 12,000 square foot
home—quite the opposite.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It means
that you live simply so that other people may simply live.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Yes, you are asking some very
wonderful questions today, questions that will prepare many minds for that
coming time when they have to think about these things and then motivate others
to act upon those thoughts.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You are
doing a re-do of history, and what we want to establish is the re-do of history
without its destruction.</P>
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<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0070c0"><U><FONT
size=3>Dalamatia and the 6 core values<o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Student:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you, Machiventa.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>One question I would like to ask, and
that has to do with social sustainability and the 6 core values: were they first
introduced into Dalamatia?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, of course, it was a necessary
development that felt natural to those individuals, to come live in that
compound.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is important that
individuals become comfortable with that.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>You recall from your readings that there had to be emissaries to go out
from Dalamatia to their surroundings and help teach and train individuals to
accept these new ideas.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is the
same cognitive challenge and difficulty that you experience now with going out
and bringing people into the compound of social sustainability to accept the
values and what they mean.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Those
values are so cognitively dissonant from your traditional values in materialism
as to be unacceptable and on the verge of being called, “Woo-woo thoughts and
culture,” which it is not. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is
simply sustainable in the grandest and greatest extent possible.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>But you are correct; they were known
well in Dalamatia and those values were used to develop the programs that they
had.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Student:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>So, we as a civilization now are
bringing these values back again?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, those values must now be used
overtly; they must be used consciously; they must become intentional to your
individual, family, and social lives; they must become institutionalized in
order for your organizations and your governments and your social institutions
to survive.</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0070c0"><U><FONT
size=3>Getting started with the 6 core values<o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN></H2>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Student:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>One of the things I was thinking about
with the 6 core values, and starting to initiate them, and you’ve talked about
this many times, but I don’t really think it sinks in as much as it should, is
that before you actually start to work with the 6 core values, people have to
really work on themselves and get rid of their negative thoughts to do with
other people, or just life around them.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>It’s going to be a hard struggle for a lot of them because that’s they
way they have indoctrinated themselves.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>And I’m just thinking about that here, before people really start
embracing these ideas that are going to come forward, but they really have to do
a number on themselves to get rid of some of this thinking.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And they can do it!<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That’s the whole thing, they can do
it!<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Am I wrong?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>No, you are right; they can do it.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There are three principle ways of using
the values:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>First, announce that
you are going to have an organization that teaches these values, and then they
have within that organization a design solution team to work on those projects;
and second, another aspect of doing that is to have these values and these
processes in mind, and as you belong to a board of directors, or belong to a
parent/teacher organization, and as you are a part of that organization, even as
a sole member in the audience in an organization that is struggling to find
answers to a problem or issue, you would bring forward those values gently to
assist the group to use them in new ways.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>You would be infusing an organization that already exists with a new
solution process using the values.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Unfortunately, eventually, you will see the third means by charlatans who
will say that they are using the 6 core values, but in fact would be duping
other individuals into believing what they are saying to fleece them of their
wealth.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Discernment must always be
a permanent facet of this work.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Student:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Machiventa, there are some people who
really, honestly believe that they are using the 6 core values, and yet they
don’t see any reason—they just believe they are using it, so what’s the point of
all this social sustainability?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I
don’t know how to explain this, but if it is an innate thing in every human
being, but at the same time, to me to realize consciously that it belongs to
everybody, and I have a hard time explaining that, yes, you have the values, but
at the same time are you really using them?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I don’t want to knock them and say that
“you don’t really have them,” when they think they have them.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Do you know what I mean?</P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I understand what you are saying, and
rather than challenging them, invite them to do an analysis of their solution
that they have for some problem.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>You will find that most everyone believes that they are assisting others
to have an improved quality of life, and that those solutions assist others to
grow into their potential, but the sticking point for almost all people who
resist analysis of their issues and their solutions is in the value of
equality.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And it is from equality
that stems the value-emotions of empathy and compassion and “love” of humanity,
and that this is where the true difficulty in the analysis comes.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Those individuals who say they are using
them, will, in the final analysis fail that test of those three value-emotions
as criteria for what they are doing.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Very few people treat others as
they would treat themselves; very few people would act out in humanity and
compassion to assist others to have what they have.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Most people simply protect what they
have.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And very few people who
believe in that are willing to be social activists to then infuse their
governments and social organizations and social institutions with those values
to assure that equality is provided to others.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You will find that there are many
hangers-on to social sustainability, but many cowards involved in analyzing
their motives and their thoughts, and how they do this.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You have hit upon a very sensitive area
of individuals who are self-righteous in their environmentalism and their
ecology, but who would balk at sharing their lives and their lifestyles with
others.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Student:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>So, in giving them the opportunity to
participate in using the 6 core values on a larger scale, that would probably
open them up to realizing themselves that maybe they do have them, but they are
not utilizing to the utmost of their capability?</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>As we deal with you, I suggest you deal
with others, rather than confronting others and arguing with their position, you
simply invite them into what you are doing, and assist them to self-learn what
you are doing in a more correct manner so that they fully understand the larger
parameters of social sustainability and use of the 6 values.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Student:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>One more question:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>So the 6 core values, and the book of
Daniel’s* is really being embraced here in a lot of people, and in fact, there
is one person who would really like to bring it into his work in the school
system where he works.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>He’s going
to do this in his own way—is this acceptable?</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in" class=MsoNormal>[*Note:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><I>Social Sustainability HANDBOOK for
Community Builders</I>, by Daniel Raphael.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>ISBN:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>978-0-692-41640-2
]</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Most certainly!<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>A little bit of good is better than no
good at all.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>Student:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Okay, thank you.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I don’t have any more questions.</P>
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<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0070c0"><U><FONT
size=3>Closing statement<o:p></o:p></FONT></U></SPAN></H2>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B>MACHIVENTA:</B><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Since there are no more questions, let
me close our session today.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You
have been thinking about larger parameters of our work, and we applaud you.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We appreciate your deeper thoughtfulness
into what we are doing with you, and thinking about how that applies to your
personal lives and to your social/organizational lives.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You are beginning to wake up, even after
all these years of beginning to understand social sustainability and the 6 core
values in a much broader way that they are applicable to everything that humans
think about and humans do, particularly with their social repercussions.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is a new way of reinterpreting your
lives:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>what you think, what you say
and what you do, and how you respond and react to others.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>The remarkable aspect of this
work is that it gently moves you into a more intimate relationship with your
inner source of wisdom and intelligence and spirituality.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>These values being innate to your
species and being given to you by God have an innate aspect to them to help you
arise into your greatness, and that is the image of your prophet, whomever that
might be, and do this in a peaceful way.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>You will begin to consider others very similarly as yourself, and in
fact, when you develop this and internalize this to a greater extent, you will
surely value others as you value yourself and love them as yourself, in spite of
the foibles that you express in your own life, and you see so evidently in their
life.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is true forgiveness
before the act occurs, and this is most Christ-like.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Thank you and good day.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>##</P>
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