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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b><span style="font-size:14pt;color:rgb(0,176,80)">New Era Transition #42 – RoundUp on GMO
foods; Ethical Corporations; Racism; Refugees – July 2, 2018<span></span></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Machiventa
Melchizedek, Planetary Manager<span></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Topics:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Why
Christ Michael sent his Correcting Time<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Focus
is on societies and families<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">The
collapse of the insect population<span></span></span></p>
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question on the solar cycle<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Is a
Republic the best form of government to implement the 7 core values?<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Rebellion
against the churches<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Implementation
of the 7 values into corporations<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Unethical
behavior leads to immoral activities<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Decisions
impacting shareholders’ returns<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Changing
corporations’ mission statements<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Employee
ownership in corporations<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Use of
RoundUp on GMO foods<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Does
use of RoundUp affect animal foods?<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Ethical
corporations<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Rise in
racism—hate or fear based?<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Question
of allowing refugees into nations already overpopulated<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Clarification
on word, “intention”<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Personal
versus social morality<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Machiventa’s
list of top issues we face<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">What is
the current carrying capacity of the earth to support humans?<span></span></span></p>
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countries declining to have children<span></span></span></p>
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abortion against the Will of the Father?<span></span></span></p>
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suicide or euthanasia appropriate at the end of life?<span></span></span></p>
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closing statement</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">TR:<span> </span>Daniel Raphael,
PhD</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Members present:<span>
</span>Roxanne Andrews, Craig Carmichael, Liz Cratty, Jeff Cutler, Doug Dodge,
Michael McCray, and Stéphane Labonteé.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Invocation:<span> </span>Liz</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>July 2, 2018<span></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b><span> </span>Good morning, this is Machiventa Melchizedek
and I welcome you to another day.<span> </span>We are
blessed to have you working with us, as you bless your lives to the will of the
Father and to your Thought Adjusters and to Christ Michael’s will for your
world, and for your own life.<span> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Why Christ Michael sent his
Correcting Time<span></span></span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">As for our opening statement today, if you look back to the
time that we began these conference calls so long ago, you were totally unaware
at that time of what was ahead for you and for your nations.<span> </span>Now, you understand why we are here, what
Christ Michael has ordered to be done, and what we have agreed to do with him
willingly and willfully to fulfill his wishes.<span>
</span>Your world is in a situation of increasing despair and the loss of hope
by many people around the world.<span> </span>You now
see that the ethics of Christ Michael of fair play and equal treatment has
always been a signature of his work, and so too, you see now why our work
together with you is so timely.<span> </span>We are
at a place in your world, and you are in a place in your societies and your
nations where our presence is so important and the work of Nebadonia and her
angels to influence and provide millions and billions of people with
alternatives and options for their thinking and for their lives is much needed
and is now in effect. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Focus is on societies and
families<span></span></span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">We have no comment concerning your politics or your
economies, though we do have much to say about your societies and your families
and the conduct of social institutions.<span>
</span>With that we will now begin the remainder of our session.<span> </span>I know, personally, that we have supplied you
with an abundance of material to ask questions about, and so now we open the
session to the field of your questions.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">The collapse of the insect
population<span></span></span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Jeff:</b><span> </span>I have several questions, one of which I may
not ask as it is sort of a political question.<span>
</span>My first question is the alarming collapse in the insect population is
starting to be noticed.<span> </span>Can you comment
on this?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b><span> </span>It is part of the despair of your world and
the collapse of a large segment of your economies in the future.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">A question on the solar cycle<span></span></span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Jeff:</b><span> </span>My next question is about solar cycle 23, which
was weaker than peak-to-trough and somewhat longer in duration than previous
observations over the last 100 years.<span>
</span>Cycle 24 started weaker than expected and has declined faster than
expected.<span> </span>Is this solar activity
connected with the coming cataclysms?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b><span> </span>It is a way of the Power Directors
ameliorating the increase in temperatures on your world.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Jeff:</b><span> </span>So, the global warming could possibly be
offset by the lack of sunspots and the decline in solar flares?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b><span> </span>You are correct.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Jeff:</b><span> </span>Does the change in the magnetism of the sun,
or the solar activity, is that affecting the rise in volcanic activity that we
see, or is that a cycle all by itself?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b><span> </span>It is a separate cycle.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Is a Republic the best form
of government to implement the 7 core values?<span></span></span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Jeff:</b><span> </span>My last question I will ask kind of
carefully; it has to do with a larger nature of politics.<span> </span>I’ll just read it to you:<span> </span>“History indicates that past Republics have
developed into oligarchies and dictatorships.<span>
</span>The US appears to be heading in that direction.”<span> </span>The question is, is a Republic the best form
of government to implement the 7 core values, or is there a better model?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b><span> </span>A Democratic Republic is the best option at
this time.<span> </span>I might add that there are
influences that are coming about which will have a counteractive effect of the
rise of an oligarchy and the sequestering of the economy into the hands of a
very few people.<span> </span>Your world has now
fully populated; it has various forms of governance around the world.<span> </span>The most evolved are Democratic Republics;
there is in process means for hundreds of millions of people to have a more
direct say in the option-development and choice-making for their social
institutions, their politics, and their economies. <span> </span>It is important that the masses of humanity
and intelligent decision-makers be co-participants in your Democratic process;
it is not that the public would make the decisions, but they would have an
influence in participating in the option-development and choice-making, with
decision-making still having to reside with those who govern.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Jeff:</b><span> </span>Thank you.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Rebellion against the
churches<span></span></span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Stéphane:</b><span> </span>Good morning.<span>
</span>I have a question about the mind-chatter and the rebellion against the
churches, which involves a large part of the population.<span> </span>One does not have to consciously believe in
God in order to be a loving and caring person.<span>
</span>The same is true for truth discernment, to some extent.<span> </span>So, this allows for societies to grow
secularly and be aligned to some extent with Universe realities.<span> </span>But at what point is conscious belief in God
required to achieve a higher spiritual growth, both in this life as a person,
and as a society?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b><span> </span>I will address the first part of your
question: as far as the person is concerned, and it will impact the second
answer as well, is that the individual who participates in right-thinking, who
expresses the highest values of their life for themselves and for all others,
is a major and important element of a secular/religious society.<span> </span>They make, perhaps, as much or more of a
contribution to the social evolution of their societies than the religious
people do.<span> </span>This may seem to be shocking
to you, but consider the fact that most churches are very authoritarian, very
doctrinaire and very stringent about indoctrinating and enculturating their
populations, their members, with the tenets and doctrines of that
religion.<span> </span>They in fact, oftentimes
retard the social evolution of a nation and of a culture.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Now, as for the soul growth of the individual, this we have
found that when those individuals who are of a secular nature and do not
necessarily repudiate the existence of God, but are agnostic and do not disavow
the presence of God, that once they cross the threshold of life into the
morontial realm, they speedily accept the fact that there is a God, that there
is a Creator, and that their life as a mortal was an innate part of the
Creator’s plan.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Implementation of the 7
values into corporations<span></span></span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Stéphane:</b><span> </span>I have a question, Machiventa, about the 7
values and the implementation, not so much as a society or at the personal
level, but in the corporations.<span> </span>We’ve
mentioned in past sessions how the 7 values can be used in corporations for
decision-making. <span> </span>I have an opportunity
coming up to present this concept in my corporation. Would the quality of life
equate to the quality of investments for corporate shareholder return?<span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b><span> </span>Let us make a very clear distinction at this
point in discussing individuals and corporations.<span> </span>Corporations are not individuals, they have
no soul and they have no possibility of transcending into the morontial realm.<span> </span>Their existence is solely done on the basis
of profit-making.<span> </span>It is important to
note that equality of corporations and individuals is non-existent; there is no
crossover between the organization and the individual.<span> </span>The only crossover that is possible is
through the executives and decision-makers who carry forward the values of
equality and growth and quality of life.<span>
</span>The 7 values are not really applicable to a corporation as an entity, as
they have no soul, and they have no personality and they have no personal
exchange with their service clientele or their patients or their customers,
etc.<span> </span>They exist to make a profit; how
they make a profit does concern us, and that is where we come in here in this
discussion with you this morning.<span> </span>It is important
that for the corporation that first of all, that their work, their products,
their services, their explorations and their mining of mineral resources from
the earth does not create a negative influence upon the physical lives, social
lives, economic lives and political lives of their service audience.<span> </span>Are you with me so far?<span> </span>(<b>Stéphane</b>:<span> </span>So far, yes; thank you.)<span> </span>You are welcome.<span> </span>It is important that the morality—what we are
then speaking of is a morality and ethic—in the case of corporations it would
be an ethic.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Unethical behavior leads to
immoral activities<span></span></span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Let me go back a minute and give you an example:<span> </span>In the case of Volkswagen, they created a
moral problem for themselves as the decisions of the executives compromised the
standards of the Environmental Protection Act by cheating on the standards for
diesel engines during EPA testing.<span> </span>Thus
the decision they made was immoral because it affected the physical lives and
the health and well-being of individuals wherever their vehicles were sold,
whether they purchased the vehicle or not.<span>
</span>Therefore it is immoral; they had made an egregious moral violation in
their business conduct.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">On the other hand, let us take as an example, Wells
Fargo.<span> </span>Wells Fargo had inflated its
ledgers of accounts available by millions and millions of fraudulent
accounts.<span> </span>This has an ethical impact
upon the general population and particular to other businesses as other
banks.<span> </span>The existence of those kinds of
decisions is unethical because it allows for and even encourages the slow creep
of unethical decision-making over the years and decades.<span> </span>More and more unethical behavior eventually
leads to immoral activities such as we have seen with Volkswagen.<span> </span>This is then a threat to the very welfare of
the people, of the societies in which those corporations operate.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">As advice, of how to steer this conversation with upper
management, has its roots in what I have said in answer to your question.<span> </span>We are not strict adherents to the 7 values,
but we wish that their influence increase over the years and decades so that it
becomes a moral and ethical obligation to conduct business such that it is
helpful to those nations and to the people who use those products.<span> </span>You know as well as we, that the decrease of sulfur
in diesel was a very needed and useful, ethical and moral decision to
make.<span> </span>So too with other products that
petroleum companies sell.<span> </span>This is an
example that was made out of necessity to prevent the overreaction of EPA
agencies to stick their hand into your business more and more directly.<span> </span>It was a good decision.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Do you have further questions regarding what I have said?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Decisions impacting
shareholders’ returns<span></span></span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Stéphane:</b><span> </span>Yes.<span> </span>You
have mentioned the impact on the population, but the corporation makes
decisions according to shareholders’ return.<span>
</span>The impact of what you have said is that the shareholders would have to
start understanding that decisions are being made in line with the 7 core
values?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b><span> </span>Perfect!<span>
</span>Perfect!<span> </span>Yes, that excites me;
that excites us!</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Stephane:</b><span> </span>So shareholders need to start having the same
aspirations aligned with the 7 core values. Would this justify less corporate profit
as long as alignment with the 7 core values is maintained?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b> <span> </span>What must precede that is that the corporation
must begin educating shareholders, and that as they learn more and more about
the 7 values and social sustainability, and really what you are going to see in
the future is a constriction of your ability to market your products, and
therefore as shareholders learn more and more about these values and how they
will impact the future of the corporation and of society and the environment,
the more that shareholders will be willing to accept decreased profits.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Changing corporations’
mission statements<span></span></span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Liz:</b><span> </span>So this could be published on the corporation
web site as a change to their mission statement?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b><span> </span>Yes, the word “change” is sometimes a little
stiff and “amending” or “adapting” the mission statement to the current
circumstances of the environment of the world at large, the material
environment as well as the market environment, would be a good place to start.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Stéphane:</b><span> </span>For instance, one of the mission statements
within our mission is to be a good neighbor, so that could be a great start to
expanding to at least the first 3 core values.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b><span> </span>Yes, definitely.<span> </span>The first 4 values—life and the 3 primary
values—are a good place to start.<span> </span>The
other ones then become the compassionate neighbor aspect, which will come
later.<span> </span>Thank you; that is an excellent
suggestion.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Employee ownership in
corporations<span></span></span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Stéphane:</b><span> </span>This expands then to employees being a
shareholder in the corporation, which has been mentioned in the past.<span> </span>Can you elaborate on how the 7 core values
impact greater employee shareholding in corporations?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b><span> </span>This is where you and we get into the
morality and ethics of shareholding and of ownership and of decision-making, is
that employees… it would be interesting for the banking shareholders and
shareholders of Volkswagen to take a poll, a survey of them for the fact that
they were passively complicit with executive management in the conduct of those
decisions.<span> </span>The reality of that may affect
shareholders how they feel.<span> </span>As employees
it is important both for their own livelihood and welfare and their standard of
living and lifestyles to be co-participant in those decisions, particularly at
the option-development and choice-making level.<span>
</span>It is important that this continue as you are young enough to see the
years and decades ahead that there will be an increasing ownership by
employees.<span> </span>This is the best moral way of
distributing profits and decreasing the egregious 99/1% separation in economies,
particularly in those developed economies.<span>
</span>It is a matter of awareness; it is a matter of ownership, both employees
and shareholders in general are not fully aware that they are complicit with
immoral and unethical decisions by the executive decision-makers.<span> </span>I hope this answer suffices.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Stéphane:</b><span> </span>Thank you; it’s been very good.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Use of RoundUp on GMO foods<span></span></span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Jeff:</b><span> </span>Machiventa, it was probably two years ago—I
can’t remember now—that I asked you the question if genetically modified foods
were harmful, and you answered, “no.”<span>
</span>But in that period of time, we have seen many farmers—I don’t know how
many, but some—take glyphosate, which is the active ingredient in <i>RoundUp</i>, and spray it on the plants
themselves, particularly corn, to kill the plant early to save money on the
cost of drying the grain.<span> </span>And that was
my understanding that that was not the intended use of the <i>RoundUp,</i> that it was to kill weeds around the plants so that there
was less competition for water.<span> </span>So I
would like to rephrase my question.<span> </span>Is
the corn and other grains that farmers are spraying directly onto the plants to
kill them early, is that harmful for us and is that something that would relate
to your comment about the employees of a corporation looking more for truth and
justice in their products than the senior executives who are essentially
working for stock market gains as compensation?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b><span> </span>You are partially correct.<span> </span>Let me state unequivocally that spraying of
this glyphosate onto the corn is harmful.<span>
</span>What is immoral is the genetic modification of the grains of corn so
that the corn is tolerant to the <i>RoundUp</i>.<span> </span>The <i>RoundUp</i>
is used to kill the weeds around the corn, and so when the corn has been
modified to accept the presence of that chemical, then the profit increases
immensely both for farmers and for the corporation.<span> </span>What is immoral is that the inclusion of this
molecule into the gene structure of the corn causes heavy digestive problems in
those who eat corn and wheat products that have been modified to accept the
presence of <i>RoundUp</i>, and other products
that use those chemical bases.<span> </span>This is
an egregious, unethical, and immoral process; it threatens the life and
livelihood of those who ingest these products.<span>
</span>As you know, modified corn in general can be used in over 100 products,
many of which are unknown to most people.<span>
</span>Therefore, almost all people have been ingesting these products in the
world economies.<span> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Only the most indigenous people who do not have those
modified grains in their diets do not have this problem, and as many of you
have known, many countries still have their own indigenous grains.<span> </span>When produced into corn meal and flour, they are
highly digestible by the visitors from other countries who are intolerant to
the glutens of the products that have been genetically modified to tolerate
glyphosate.<span> </span>This was not known in the
early stages, at least to the public, though they were known to the laboratory
technicians and laboratory genetic engineers in those corporations decades ago.<span> </span>Now it is almost common knowledge that those
chemically engineered grains are harmful to people.<span> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Let us separate that discussion from genetically modified
food products that do not incur new chemicals, new molecules into their genetic
structures, whether they are grains or whether they are fruits or legumes or
otherwise is acceptable.<span> </span>Just as you
will see in decades ahead, and even now it has begun, that the modification of
human genetic structures to eliminate destructive and harmful genetic anomalies
is a benefit to humans directly, and it is a benefit to the production of
grains and those food products I mentioned.<span>
</span>Just because they have been modified does not make that bad, immoral or
unethical; in fact it improves the intentions of those originally given
products by the Life Carriers for your species.<span>
</span>You are only beginning now to learn how to return to the original
genetic structure of those plants in general so that they present no harm and
that they do not have an already self-destructive genetic structure in them
that disposes them to early disease, early death by some disease or virus, etc.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Do you have further questions?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Does use of <i>RoundUp</i> affect animal foods?<span></span></span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Jeff:</b><span> </span>If I may follow up on this, if I am trying to
buy all natural chicken, for example, there is no way I can know whether or not
the farmer fed the chicken non-GMO corn scratch.<span> </span>Is there a secondary buildup of this material
you say that impedes ingestion, this part of glyphosate by eating of the flesh
of an animal that was fed this particular type of grain?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b><span> </span>One moment.<span>
</span>Several thoughts occur: one is that you would be advised to call the
distributor of the chicken and ask them, as this is a means for developing a
market for non-GMO grains and feeds to animals.<span>
</span>Yes, it does have an impact on your own ingestion, but most directly the
impact is through your ingestion of GMO modified corn and grain products
directly that have that molecule in their gene structure.<span> </span>Laboratories have already done the analyses
to answer the question you have asked and I ask you to proceed in your own
investigation about that.<span> </span>What your
investigation will provide to the receiving end is awareness that consumers are
beginning to get smart, and that they are thinking about this modified grain
product entering their body through secondary means as you suggest.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Ethical corporations<span></span></span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Doug:</b><span> </span>I have a follow-up question on ethical
corporations.<span> </span>My question is… this
discussion this morning makes me think of a group of corporations that are
called “V Corporations,” and that they try to do everything they can to not
only be profitable, but they use their profits for the fair treatment of their
employees, their communities, their environment, in fact their motto is “Be the
best in the world to be the best for the world.”<span> </span>This is a model of awareness that can be
marketed and also as a consumer I can put my dollars into those kinds of
corporations that have that as a model.<span style="color:rgb(192,0,0)"><span> </span><span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b><span> </span>Is that a question or is that a statement?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Doug:</b><span> </span>I guess that is a statement.<span> </span>So it just seems like, wouldn’t that be a
model to follow that would kind of help to apply our 7 values to; it’s a way to
work ourselves into it?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b><span> </span>Yes, it would be and we are enthused by that
and we see those corporations as being most receptive to those 7 values and the
morality and ethics that surround and develop from those values.<span> </span>It would be interesting and helpful for those
corporations to know about the work that we are doing and the most recent work
that we have produced through This One in the new title of “Making Sense of
Ethics,” which is now available on the web site This One has populated with the
books that we have co-authored with him.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:0.5in;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><a href="https://sites.google.com/view/danielraphael/free-downloads" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline">https://sites.google.com/view/danielraphael/free-downloads</a>
</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Doug:</b><span> </span>Thank you.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Rise in racism—hate or fear
based?<span></span></span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Liz:</b><span> </span>I have struggled with how to ask this
question, and so please bear with me as I try to articulate it, I am deeply
disturbed by what seems to be the rise in racism in this country; I had a long
conversation about it with a friend.<span>
</span>Everyone is calling it “hate speech,” I think it’s more like “fear
instead of hate.”<span> </span>First, I’ve always
viewed monogamy in a marriage as a thing that is not normally natural for
mammals, but instead is a spiritual decision among a couple, and so now I’m thinking
that racism is kind of, perhaps, similar and that we are perhaps normally xenophobic,
or we would prefer to be with those who look like us and fear those who do not
look like us?<span> </span>I’m wondering if the
conversation about racism should be changed from that of “hating” to that of
“fearing.”<span> </span>I’m thinking of overcoming
racism is perhaps a spiritual decision and one that we need to make on a
day-by-day basis.<span> </span>I know that you say
that the 7 core values are part of our DNA, but I’m wondering if this “fear of
the other” is also part of our mammalian DNA.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b><span> </span>One moment.<span>
</span>You have presented several topics to address.<span> </span>First of all, monogamy is a social decision,
not a spiritual decision.<span> </span>It is
important for the social welfare and wellbeing and good order of your societies
and social structures and social institutions that monogamy be used in those
societies where plural marriages are distained.<span>
</span>So too, is racism.<span> </span>Racism has its
base in fear—you are completely correct.<span>
</span>Fear is also a part of the race memory; it is not part of the DNA; it is
part of the race memory that harkens back to the days before social development
within your race, within your species.<span>
</span>It has been said before that in the beginnings of your species, before
social groups were organized or came into being, that when one saw another
individual, they would kill them and eat them, even though they looked like
them.<span> </span>They were strangers, they were
different, and so too, that carries over to today.<span> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">However, you are incorrect in the current fear phase of
racism; it is not fear of others, it is a selfish, egoistic, racism of
superiority that we are “better, we are in control.”<span> </span>Remember, those fears come about through fear
of giving up authority, of power and control.<span>
</span>It is the fear of making all other people equal.<span> </span>This is the basis for the fears; it is the
sense of superiority, when in fact those you have found in social studies that
those who hold such primitive values, views and perspectives of other races and
genders, are in fact uninformed and uneducated and ill-informed.<span> </span>As people become more and more educated and culturally
astute, and have traveled and seen many nations and cultures and ethnic groups
and genders, they tend to lower their guard and their hate of others, that
other people are certainly worthy of having lives that offer the potential for
equality, growth and a good quality of life.<span>
</span>When you hear of “racism,” it is of fear, fear of what?<span> </span>Fear that “the other” will become equal to
them and encroach upon their power, authority and control.<span> </span>It is ignorant at its best.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Liz:</b><span> </span>Thank you very much for that
clarification.<span> </span>I have a whole new way of
looking at it now.<span> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span><br></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Question of allowing refugees
into nations already overpopulated<span></span></span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Roxie:</b><span> </span>I have a question that is a little bit based
on Liz’s question, but slightly different.<span>
</span>There is a battle going on between the factions of several countries
over the question of whether to let refugees enter their country when they are
already having massive problems with overpopulation.<span> </span>This is difficult for us to solve using the 7
core values.<span> </span>Is there a moral solution
to this problem that you can help us with?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b><span> </span>Yes, it is a most difficult problem for your
world today.<span> </span>The morality and ethics are
involved in this way:<span> </span>Do you morally and
ethically allow those people to invade your nation and decrease the quality of
life of everyone, and in fact perhaps increase the possibility of increased
violence?<span> </span>Or is it an ethical question
of maintaining your… one moment.<span> </span>This
One is struggling with the language that is new to your world, as well as you
are. <span> </span>In those nations which have opened
their doors, they recognize the morality of equality of the lives of those who
want to emigrate.<span> </span>Those nations have
recognized the moral value of others.<span> </span>Those
who resist the influx of new populations have a moral, ethical stance to take
as well, that though they recognize the value of other individuals, allowing
those populations to come into their country has a way of retarding the
economic and educational level of the whole nation, and creates an incredible
ethical burden upon those people who have established their lives in that
social structure of that nation and of their economy, and so on.<span> </span>Accepting them would require increasing the burden
of taxes upon those people who are employed to support those who are unemployed,
which would increase immensely.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">In technologically advanced nations, this becomes very
difficult for those new people to become educated to a high school or college
level in order to be able to be employed in many meaningful jobs.<span> </span>Yes, they might be available to take on
menial work of janitorial work, and of personal assistance in homes and in
gardening, and so on, but there are a limited number of those positions to fill.<span> </span>The ethical question you present is one of
balance:<span> </span>How much can the nation
bear?<span> </span>How much load can the population
bear of an influx of new members to adequately integrate them into the culture,
into the society, and into adequate employment and into the whole ethic and
culture of that nation?<span> </span>That has not
been determined, and that is a question that is now coming under scrutiny in
those nations that have invited those foreign individuals into their
nations.<span> </span>It has created an incredible
moral burden.<span> </span>The morality is quite easy:<span> </span>One is to respect all people on the earth and
to love them as you would love yourself and your neighbor and members of your
family.<span> </span>However, that does not obligate
you to take them in as family members, does it?<span>
</span>No, it does not; that requires another adjustment.<span> </span><span> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">The overarching morality of the whole problem that you are
seeing is overpopulation.<span> </span>There is no
regard for overpopulation either in the hosting nation, or from the nations and
the populations that are coming into the new nation.<span> </span>This is a moral question that must be
answered and will be answered within the next two decades.<span> </span>Forgoing that discussion and the moral
decisions that are implicated and ethical questions that cascade from that are
many and will be addressed only when the population of your world is crushed onto
their knees to support the new numbers of people.<span> </span>You will see an increased number of those
people who are dying from starvation and from disease in those nations that
cannot support themselves.<span> </span>You will see
an increase number of people who succumb to death in those nations in the Sahel
of Africa, that borderland between the encroaching deserts of sand and the
nations below them.<span> </span>The Sahel continues to
dry out as the climate changes to one that is warmer and dryer with less
rainfall.<span> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">The moral question for your whole world is overpopulation and
how to morally and ethically afford your people, the whole world, and the means
by which they can address and manage their own family population.<span> </span>This is something that has not had open
discussions and which is too ironically pregnant with a need to be answered.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Roxie:</b><span> </span>Thank you very much!<span> </span>That’s extremely helpful.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">There has also been a lot of emphasis in our media lately on
the fact that the suicide rate is increasing.<span>
</span>I know that some of the reason is just that the population is growing,
but could you discuss this from your perspective, please?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b><span> </span>I would prefer to disregard it at this
time.<span> </span>We would invite a question
reformatted that addresses this subject though.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Clarification on word,
“intention”<span></span></span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Craig:</b><span> </span>To change the subject a bit.<span> </span>I was wondering, I have trouble with the
wording of “intention” and maybe it is just me as English is only my first
language, but I look in the dictionary and I see it means, “Goals, aims or
ultimate goals.”<span> </span>When you say that an
organization needs to have an “intention” or a society needs to have an
“intention,” that means, does it not, that you need to set goals and have
particular aims as to the future of that society or organization?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b><span> </span>We see a great distinction between intention,
goals and missions, and so on—objectives.<span>
</span>Intentions are those inclinations in a particular direction, even though
you could take this from the work of Stéphane; he is striving to assist his
corporation to take on a new intention of sustainability in the mission and in
the goals and products that they sell.<span>
</span>The mission, of course, is to stay in business, but the intention is to
become increasingly more sustainable as a business and morally compliant to the
7 values.<span> </span>It is an attitude toward how
you conduct your business; that is how we see intention.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Personal versus social
morality<span></span></span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Craig:</b><span> </span>You asked to be reminded about social
morality versus individual moralities, so I have been visualizing individual
morality as we are called upon to be tolerant and altruistic, turn the other
cheek if necessary, whereas in social morality the prime responsibility is to
protect society and protect all those altruistic individuals from people who
would abuse that, and we’ve seen over the last century and more, names that are
probably familiar of people who have egregiously used society and in so doing,
have in fact impoverished the lives and life potentials of millions or even the
whole society.<span> </span>So, I don’t know if I
have a question, but you have mentioned that that needs to be addressed before
we can even have social continuity, let alone social sustainability.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b><span> </span>Let us begin reframing that situation right
now in our small group, here.<span> </span>Let me give
you an example, one that is very stark in nature.<span> </span>The personal morality of social
sustainability is that you will not kill other people, unless there is a moral
obligation to do so.<span> </span>You would do so in
self-defense; you would do so if someone were attacking your children or your
spouse or doing harm to another individual.<span>
</span>For instance, if you carried a weapon and you saw a man ready to throw a
lighted firebomb at a school bus of children, you would be morally obligated to
shoot that individual and disarm them of the firebomb.<span> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">However, in society the moral difference is this:<span> </span>Social morality has two goals — sustaining
the Homo sapiens species and the best genetic structure of that species.<span> </span>The second goal is to sustain and maintain
and improve the social working order of the society and the social
institutions.<span> </span>That is the main thrust of
social morality.<span> </span>Social morality applies
as an obligation is incurred through the morality and ethics of the 7 values
for a society to sustain and maintain the good working order of its social
institutions and its population.<span>
</span>Therefore, it has the moral justification to remove those individuals
who are morally retarded and who are social predators who have an ongoing
continual proclivity to abuse and predate on the populations of the host
society.<span> </span>This is an abhorrent idea to
many of your population; this is another topic that has not been well discussed
and has not been discerned even by the best of your social philosophers, let
alone your political and social activists.<span>
</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Social activism must take on the dual roles of social
sustainability as it applies to individual decision-making and second as it
applies to societal sustainability.<span> </span>Only
through the development of the morality and ethics that emanate from the seven
values can societies evolve, to become more self-sustaining.<span> </span>The societies of both nations in North
America are becoming increasingly socially UNsustainable.<span> </span>There has been an ethical and moral
encroachment upon the rights of others over time, which is now bordering on the
acceptance of immoral behavior by those people in power.<span> </span>How would you overcome that?<span> </span>By revolution?<span> </span>Surely not as social, political, and economic
revolutions within a democratic nation will in historic analysis be seen as
societal suicide.<span> </span>The welfare and good working
order of democratic nations must come about by rethinking the social
philosophies that support democratic nations on a societal level.<span> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Do you understand and see the difference?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Craig:</b><span> </span>Yes, thank you</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b><span> </span>This is much to digest because it causes a
cultural and for some people a spiritual and moral dissonance that they are
unacquainted with and unaccustomed to.<span>
</span>This is required for right thinking to preserve an evolving democratic
society and nation is to use the 7 values on a societal basis to sustain your
societies into a long and distant future for the best welfare of growth and
equality of all concerned for all future generations.<span> </span>The social morality you are speaking of is
one for future generations.<span> </span>The
selfishness of current generations is egregious to us; it is abhorrent to us
that such a tolerance for selfish needs in current generations with a total
disregard and thinking and welfare for future generations that will come into
being.<span> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Craig:</b> <span> </span>Yes, yes.<span>
</span>Thank you.<span> </span>I can’t disagree with
that at all.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b><span> </span>We appreciate you being our “back pew”
philosopher who takes time to think about these questions and who will cogitate
upon them and give us feedback in future sessions.<span> </span>Thank you.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Machiventa’s list of top
issues we face<span></span></span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Stéphane:</b><span> </span>Machiventa, if you were to make a list of top
issues that societies today are not considering for the welfare of society, you
mentioned overpopulation and the impact of this.<span> </span>What would be your top list?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b><span> </span>The top one, of course, would be
overpopulation.<span> </span>By simply addressing
this one topic, you would then begin to necessarily address the problems of
executive decision-making that is out of control that is impacting the public
decision-making in a democratic society.<span>
</span>The third one would be concerns about the family, and in the family we
are talking about overpopulation, we are talking about family as the primary
social institution for the development of sustainable societies and competent
and capable moral and ethical decision-makers of future generations in corporations
and in medicine and education and government.<span>
</span>It is the family that is second and third after overpopulation.<span> </span>It is a question that has not been addressed.<span> </span>It is a social institution that has not been
given the primary attention that it needs.<span>
</span>It and education are the two primary social institutions of every
society, have been neglected, have not been thought of, have been relegated to
their own devices, which has not proven helpful to your nation or any other
nation. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I know that my answer may have been fuzzy, but hopefully not
confusing.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Craig:</b><span> </span>It’s great to prioritize, to be able to think
about what are the most important issues.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b><span> </span>Yes and the question was framed in the terms
of the most neglected.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">What is the current carrying
capacity of the earth to support humans?<span></span></span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Jeff:</b><span> </span>A follow-up question to this is do you have
an opinion or an idea with the current technology available on the planet about
what the real carrying capacity of human population is with sustainable farming
and the decline of GMO raising crops, what is the current carrying capacity of
the earth to support human beings?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Craig:</b><span> </span>Jeff, are you asking what an ideal population
for the planet right now is?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Jeff:</b><span> </span>Yes, I guess that’s what I am saying.<span> </span>What is the sustainable population for the
planet right now?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b><span> </span>Your question has a bifurcation to it that
you were perhaps unaware of when you stated it.<span>
</span>One, the maximum capacity is over 8 billion people.<span> </span>However the most sustainable and ideal
population is 3.5 billion, at the most.<span>
</span>You must realize that as the population increases, the quality of life
in all regards, and all the 7 values will be violated, that it becomes immoral
to the whole society and to future generations that increasing population be allowed
to continue.<span> </span>It is immoral because it
impacts the physical lives of those individuals who remain and who do not
succumb to natural causes; it is immoral because it allows the continuing of
inequality and the sequestering of material resources and financial resources
with those few; it is immoral because it violates the potential of growth of
those individuals who come into being and it violates the quality of life overall
for everyone, even those who have sequestered themselves with great amounts of
wealth and materiality to supply to them will have this impact them as the
increase of population exceeds 8 billion and approaches 9 or 10 billion.<span> </span>Then you will see your world on the verge of
total collapse.<span> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">However, politically, economically and socially it will
never come to those numbers because the stated question was the ideal maximum
population that is possible on this world.<span>
</span>If it approached 9.6 billion people before global collapse occurs and
the elimination of almost all people at that time, politically, economically
and socially, they will be in increasing contention and vying for control,
authority and power long before that, and you are even now seeing that at 7.3
billion people.<span> </span>This is the point at
which there will be increasing agitation in your societies as the difficulties
increase.<span> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Though the cataclysms that are physical in nature may be
ameliorated due to the decrease or the maintenance of the temperature around
the world, it will increase in tectonics and volcanism, and also social
discontent and the discontent particularly in democratic nations where people
know they have the right to equal say and equal participation in
decision-making, but have been set to the sidelines by those people who have
money to influence those who make these political decisions for selfish reasons
and for self-interest in all regards.<span> </span>We
know this exceeds the bounds of your question in your statement, yet you must
see the totality of what you are asking in ideal situations, both for an ideal
maximum population and an ideal situation for population to have an equal
quality of life and lifestyle for those who remain.<span> </span>Thank you very much for your question.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,176,80)">Some countries declining to
have children<span></span></span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Jeff:</b><span> </span>If I may ask a follow-up to this, it appears
that in several advanced societies, notably Japan and Italy and other
countries, young people are increasingly declining to have children, and I
think we touched on this issue once before. <span> </span>Was this part of the Correcting Time where the
desire to have many children is disappearing, but the rate of decline in those
populations is rather small, compared to the environmental damage that is being
done to feed the current population of the world?<span> </span>Is that correct?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b><span> </span>You are correct.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Jeff:</b><span> </span>So, if the desire to have many children is
being slowly changed in our DNA during the Correcting Time, will the—I’m not
going to use the word “decimation” because I think that means a 10% decrease of
the world’s population—instead of restarting the same cycle over and over
again, is there a chance that on the other side of this population problem
correction that it will have a self-stabilization that becomes innate in our
DNA?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b><span> </span>You are not correct in that regard.<span> </span>Your question hinged on what you said was the
<b>desire</b> to have children, and in most
of the world the desire to have children is almost absent.<span> </span>What occurs is that the desire for sexual
intercourse is prevalent and primary to the problem.<span> </span>What must come into being is decision-making
to withhold having children while still enjoying sexual relationships that do
not produce children.<span> </span>This is the crux
of modern society and of primitive society.<span>
</span>What you are seeing is a tremendous dissonance between that of Japan and
nations that have incredible fecundity; that is why you see the tremendous
difference.<span> </span>Those who are in Japan and
other developed nations that have a decreasing population have chosen not to
have children because they have the means to prevent having children and they
desire to maintain their quality of life.<span>
</span>Yes, perhaps that is a bit selfish by individuals who want to maintain a
good standard of living and quality of life by not having children, but on the
other hand it is responsible as well.</p>
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of the Father?<span></span></span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Roxie:</b><span> </span>Is abortion against the Will of the Father?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b><span> </span>One moment.<span>
</span>Your question raises many problems.<span>
</span>The Will of the Father is that you do the Will of the Father.<span> </span>What is your will?<span> </span>What is the Will of the Father?<span> </span>The will for mortals is to be in alignment
with the Father, thus what the Father creates the Father wants to be in
alignment with its creativity.<span> </span>The issue
of taking the life of a child that is growing in the womb is a moral question;
it is not a question of creativity of the Creator.<span> </span>I know that this is going to inflame many
people and put people at distance from this, but it is a moral question.<span> </span>If you align yourself with the Creator, then you
would not have an abortion; you would responsibly be in alignment to withhold
the death of an unborn; you would be responsible to your own life course to do
the Father’s Will and that is to create life and to do it responsibly.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Roxie:</b><span> </span>Thank you.<span>
</span>I knew that was a difficult question; it is for us too.</p>
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end of life?<span></span></span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Liz:</b><span> </span>So a follow-up question to that is that at
the end of life, when there is no hope and suffering, is it an appropriate
action for one to seek the peaceful release of death?</p>
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is one of a personal nature; it is one that is responsible and incumbent upon
the individual who is near death.<span> </span>It is
dependent upon that individual having a conscious ability to make a
will-decision to end their life, knowing that the continuation of their life
would not provide the possibility of fulfilling the Father’s Will to grow into
the potential that is infinite within their mind and for their soul’s
fulfillment.<span> </span>It is important to make
that distinction.<span> </span>The difficulty for
your society is moral at this time because many individuals who are approaching
that situation do not have a mind left to make a conscious decision to end
it.<span> </span>They have severe dementia or they
have advanced Alzheimer’s and have no recollection of being capable of making
decisions, other than those decisions which are part of their rote behavior
that they have learned throughout life.<span> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">It is a moral difficulty for those individuals who have the
capacity to decide, but can they decide for the other individuals?<span> </span>That is the most difficult one to bear upon;
it is one that we wish your medical societies and associations, religious and
spiritual groups to engage and to discern and to work on, as it must end with a
moral decision that is correct for your societies, for your cultures and for
your species.<span> </span>It is not that you need to
have the elderly walk out on an ice floe without their parka to go out in the
sub-zero temperature and freeze to death to help preserve the family in the
igloo or their lodging because of the extra use of food to sustain the
elderly.<span> </span>That is no longer the
situation.<span> </span>Under that old situation,
that was a moral decision to make.<span> </span>Could
you make the same moral decision today to take the life of one who cannot make
the decision themselves?<span> </span>That is your
moral question, as the one I pose to you.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Liz:</b><span> </span>Thank you.</p>
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statement<span></span></span></u></p>
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for the gut-wrenching energy it takes to ask these questions, and even more
gut-wrenching energy to receive the answers and to listen to them.<span> </span>They are so culturally dissonant to what you
are used to as to cause you and those who read these transcripts much
difficulty in accepting them into their lives.<span>
</span>However, what you are doing is asking questions that look far into the
future of your personal lives and particularly for your descendents as they
progress and live into the decades and centuries ahead.<span> </span>You are the pioneers of moral inquiry now and
we salute you and we appreciate you so much for doing so.<span> </span>You now know why we have commended you, this
small team, so well in past sessions.<span>
</span>Continue to ask these questions though they are the most difficult.<span> </span>We congratulate you on your intellectual and
your spiritual integrity to do so.<span> </span>Good
day.</p>
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