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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b><span style="font-size:14pt;color:rgb(0,112,192)">New Era Transition #46 - Convergence;
Judgment and Mercy; Polarization – Aug. 27, 2018</span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Machiventa Melchizedek, Planetary Manager</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">The
convergence continues</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">Our
concerns are for everyone, particularly in democratic nations</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">Archbishop
Carlo Maria Vigano</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">Referendums
a precursor to evolution of democracy</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">Capital
punishment, judgment and the 7 values </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">All of
us will be judged at some point</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">A
distinction between morality of society and the morality of individuals</span></p>
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12-Step program of Alcoholics Anonymous </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">The
Ancients of Days</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">Adjudication
and Adjuster Fusion</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">Making
choices through the democratic process</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">Judgment
and mercy</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">The 7
core values will become ubiquitous over time</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">Net
worth of individuals over money, not 7 values</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">Some
people do not learn by experience</span></p>
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polarization in the New Era to a lesser degree </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">Seek
your Thought Adjuster as your best source to go to</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">TR: Daniel Raphael,
PhD</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Members present:
Craig Carmichael, Liz Cratty, Jeff Cutler and Stéphane Labonteé.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Invocation: Daniel</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>August 27, 2018</b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">The convergence continues</span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b> Good morning, this is Machiventa. I have given my assent that I would be here
and be glad to speak with you. The
convergence continues and as you will see eventually, not immediately. Eventually you will see many wonderful things
that you have gained out of these convergences.
You, yourselves can identify these convergences by the intentions for
their existences, of why people come together for purposes of their work and
the hope of the future and the contributions to this and all following
generations. These are already in
motion; we already have traction, as you say, about some of these concepts and
developments and there are many people outside of the Teaching Mission,
Magisterial Mission, etc., who have begun to work their projects within the
convergence to develop it into more meaningful and practical ways in their
social existence. And when we say
“social existence,” we mean in all organizations, anything having to do with 2
or more people with intention of doing something together, whether that is in
trading cabbages in the garden, or for beef, or for fertilizer or for something
else. This is an organization in
intention. And through these informal
convergences even with as few as 2 people, there will be ideas shared and
thoughts considered and possibilities again discussed, and this is the
beginning of a grassroots spiritual consciousness on your planet to heal the
immense moral and ethical deficits that exist in your world. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">Our concerns are for everyone,
particularly in democratic nations</span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Our concerns are for everyone, of course, but
organizationally and socially our concerns are principally centered around
democratic nations, democratic governance, democratic processes for these are
the only political entities that have any hope of existing into a far and
distant future. Other forms of
governance such as communism, socialism—strict socialism—and other forms
without democratic process will ultimately fail—all of them will fail. It is essential that we and you focus our
intention for insuring that the democratic process in all democratic nations evolves
and is improved. As you know from your
own work and knowledge about democratic nations around the world, whether it is
Germany, England, France, Switzerland or many others that they have fulfilled
their original intentions. The evolved intentions
that they must seek to fulfill is the intention to exist indefinitely into the
future, and by that we mean to become self-sufficient, self-sustaining so that
the processes and the intentions both work together to sustain the nation into
a far distant future. As you can see
from your own nation, there is much work to do.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I am open for questions if you have any.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Liz:</b> I don’t have any prepared questions this morning;
I wanted to say that I am seeing—maybe because my eyes have been opened and I
know where to look—but I see a tremendous movement toward doing the right
thing. So, I honor you and Christ
Michael and Nebadonia and your work because I can see the fruits of your
labors.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b> Thank you.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano</span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Jeff:</b> I don’t have any prepared questions for the
syllabus or the course work, but over the weekend, I read a commentary on the
Archbishop Vigano’s exposé and I am not Roman Catholic, nor have I ever been,
but my heart certainly goes out to the people of Pennsylvania who anguish about
all of this. Is this appropriate for you
to comment about this at this time?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b> We refrain from discussing this topic; it
speaks for itself.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">Referendums a precursor to
evolution of democracy</span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Craig:</b> On the democracy topic, I noticed that some
of the states in the United States have permitted citizens to cause a
referendum to be held, which they call an initiative, and I personally have
felt that this is about the most positive sort of structural development in my
lifetime, of the evolution of democracy.
Would you care to comment on that?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b> Yes, gladly.
As you see, the initiative referendum process is a precursor to the
local community design teams for the design and validation process. The topics the design team can act on are
multiple ways, both social, political, economic local, national and so
forth. It is a process that is far
advanced of the referendum process as its very beginnings brings minds together
to come up with—not a consensus—but a well thought out intelligent solution or
suggestions for solutions to a problem.
There are no limitations to the recommendations that a design team can
make; they can make recommendations for changing a State Constitution or
National Constitution; they can come up with a new design for the democratic
process and initiate that within their own local area. The wonderful thing of the design team
process is that it is open to anyone and everyone and is a thoughtful
process. This means that the mental
intelligence, intellectual and educated, resources of a nation can be brought
to bear in the association of many thousands of minds on a problem. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">What will erupt out of that is the necessity for compiling
or for collecting those shared insights by teams, and some means by which teams
can access the findings of other teams, and then begin associating them into
larger solutions for larger problems.
This has been discussed some months and years ago, as what This One
calls the “Library for Sustaining Human Wisdom.” As it was suggested before, this would best
work as an online library that could be accessed by anyone and would have
someone, or some process to associate the issues so the results could be
found. You have a very similar process
in Wikipedia, as in Wikiquotes and “Wikieverything” else that enables
individuals to find what they are looking for, which gives them more options
for developing their own thinking and solutions. We appreciate your question.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Craig:</b> You answered my next question as well, which
was about whether the referendum or initiative process could be used to advance
and evolve democracy further. So, I
understand that you are saying that design teams can get input from everyone,
and then I suppose at the end of the process, make a recommendation which would
then be voted on by the populous?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b> Yes, I’m biting my lips as a human would,
saying that is a naïve approach, but yes, it is a workable beginning. It is essential that people physically meet
together, rather than online to work through these problems. Later on the libraries will be developed and
referenced much as academics do to use those references to work on their own
projects. Nonetheless, it is always
enhanced immensely by the synergy that occurs within a design team, as minds
come together and develop new ideas and thoughts and creativity and options for
the problem or situation. How it is then
presented to the public to be voted on is another thing to consider. We know and you know that there is more than
one option to the solution of problems, and that perhaps it may be more
workable, rather than either/or voting, for this or approving it or denying the
vote for it, that there be a preference selection given to voters so they have
a wider spectrum of options to chose from.
This would then invoke the thinking and discernment of the voting
public, the individual to consider options and to weigh/discern them. It is our intention in supporting this development,
both in the democratic process and design teams, that it become an educational
process, a learning process for the teams to provide a learning function to the
public and to themselves and to the broader public of the nation and
states. When this occurs, then you will
have progress achieved an evolutionary progress in your social existence. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Craig:</b> I’m sure my comprehension will grow as I
consider the transcript.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">Capital punishment, judgment
and the 7 values</span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Stéphane:</b> (Joining a few minutes late,) I haven’t
followed the stream, but I do have a few questions that may be completely off
topic, but in the last sessions capital punishment was mentioned for predators
as a response from society. My question
is around judgment: How is judgment
implemented after this life? Is it
purely based on the 7 values and how is it differentiated from say someone who
kills someone personally, or society taking capital punishment on someone
deemed to be a menace to society?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b> Are you, in your usage of the word “judgment,”
are you talking about the judgment by the Ancients of Days?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">All of us will be judged at
some point</span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Stéphane:</b> Yes.
I’m not sure if there are different types of judgment, but we all will
be judged at some point based on our activities on earth?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b> Gladly.
The principle judgment of the Ancients of Days is usually along these
lines: The willingness of the individual
to be in compliance, or not only in compliance with God’s Will, but who <i>wills</i> to do God’s Will in their
lifetime. It is also an element of the
intention, the intent of a person as they lead their life as a mortal; those
are the considerations. The 7 values are
your text book guidelines for living your life as an ethical and moral
individual in a social world. This helps
prepare you for your own transition and your eventual judgment, when your
intention is in alignment with doing God’s Will, then you will be judged aright
by the Ancients of Days. Your question
is important as it brings a distinction to life here and elsewhere.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Stéphane:</b> Affecting their judgments, the Ancients of
Days do take into consideration acts that were done based on someone’s own
decision, or somebody was following another order or somebody else’s order, in
this case society’s order to capital punishment of predators.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">A distinction between
morality of society and the morality of individuals</span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b> If I follow your question correctly, there is
a distinction between social morality of society and the personal morality of
individuals. The society acts as a group
decision to remove people, as you call capital punishment, which is a misnomer,
as it is not an immoral offense. Even
the individual who is the executioner in that case is not morally culpable in
that situation where it was ordered by society or by the courts. Does this attempt to answer your question?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Stéphane:</b> Yes, so it is between social morality and
personal morality.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b> Yes.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">The 12-Step program of
Alcoholics Anonymous </span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Jeff:</b> I’d like to follow-up on Stéphane’s
question. I asked you a while back if
the 12-Step program for the aid of people with alcoholism was divinely inspired
and you answered yes. My understanding
is that part of that process is to go to people that you have harmed and
apologize to them with sincerity for the harm that you have done him or
her. Is part of the adjudication by the
Ancients of Days dependent upon a rehabilitation system that is similar to that
12-Step program?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b> No.
The measurement is the intention of the individual. For instance, there may be individuals who go
to those they have offended and apologize only as a requirement of the
12-Steps; they would not be sincere, would they? And so they would be in moral arrearage, so
to speak, of their duties to the 7 steps and to their effectiveness to be
healed. The Ancients of Days, their
spectrum of consideration for the finality of the decision takes into
consideration the capability of the individual to become open to remediation,
whether they can be healed. Only the
individual can heal themselves; there is an immense amount of spiritual support
for anyone who sees what they have done and is very remorseful about that
situation and wishes to proceed in their ascendant career. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">The Ancients of Days</span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">All of those things are very evident to the Ancients of Days;
in fact there is a transparency in the soul record of that individual which is
easily read by the Ancients immediately; it only takes mere moments, or parts
of moments to adjudicate the individual.
When you consider the work of the Ancients of Days, and that the
trillions of individuals who are passing under their scrutiny, these decisions
come quickly due to the clarity of the record of the individual soul. Empty souls, of course, have nothing there to
read and that individual has made a statement to themselves by the acts of
omission to not move themselves forward morally and ethically in the lives of
others, and particularly not to be of service to themselves and to others nor
to make ethical and moral decisions. You
too, could make such decisions if you have the clarity of the soul record and
you could read that, and even if you were an adjunct to the Ancients of Days
without the authority of final judgment, you could easily come to similar
conclusions yourself.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">Adjudication and Adjuster
Fusion</span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Stéphane:</b> Machiventa, does everyone get judged at some
point before Adjuster Fusion?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b> Yes, most definitely. The Adjuster Fusion comes long after, or
after your adjudication. For those
individuals who are sleeping survivors, they must wait for the dispensation to
arise from that situation, and they are judged at that time. If you are a God believing individual who
wills to do God’s Will and you pass through this, your judgment will occur
within 3 days before you arrive at the Resurrection Halls.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Stéphane:</b> So this judgment happens at your resurrection
at Mansonia, or just prior to?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b> Yes.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Stéphane:</b> And then it could happen thereafter depending
on circumstances, it could happen again before fusion?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b> We prefer not to elucidate too much on this,
as there will become much erroneous speculation among readers as to how this
occurs, when does it occur, what happens during the 3 days, and so on. Those 3 days are an era of mystery, and we
prefer to keep it that way.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">Making choices through the
democratic process</span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Craig:</b> Back to the topic of making design team
selections for the democratic process, or through the democratic process, I’ve
always felt that the single ballot—I call it the “Illiterate’s X ballot”—is
polarizing and limiting in choices, that a range of options is that which
people can rank, so I would say that the proper way to vote is to rank the
choices and then drop each least popular choice until one choice has the
majority. So would that be the way it is
done on most planets?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b> Let us concern yourself only with
Urantia. That is certainly an option
that is available through one of many options in the democratic process for
making selections. It is a process…
whatever process is chosen must be the process that has been discerned by the
voters and they choose which one they prefer to use. Remember too, that the process of choosing,
the outcome may vary or differ depending on the topic that is involved, that is
discussed.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Craig:</b> I guess my main point was just that in order
to have a range of options, you have to have a way to select between them,
rather than just a “this or that” choice, which tends to make the option that
is most different often win even though it is chosen by a minority. The other options that are more similar, any
one of them would be chosen by the majority but they “split the vote” and so
the minority option wins the vote instead.
That’s what I see as something that needs to be addressed and changed.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b> That sounds like a good topic for a local
design team, does it not?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Craig:</b> (Laughing.)
Right!</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">Judgment and mercy</span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Liz:</b> This whole concept of judgment troubles me
because my only frame of reference is human judgment and one of the things I
love about my relationship with the Heavenly Father and my Thought Adjuster and
Christ Michael is the opportunity of mercy.
So when we talk about judgment, I don’t know what that means from your
perspective, nor do I understand where mercy comes into the equation.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b> We refer you to your <i>Urantia Book</i>, which discusses this very thoroughly in the
text. Mercy and justice are important
facets of judgment. Mercy must be
extended throughout the whole process of the ascendant career of the individual
to see that there may be potential for them to be rehabilitated or to be saved.
(Machiventa: neither of those words set right with me in
this discussion.) The act of judgment
for an individual who’s Thought Adjuster has vacated that individual’s mind,
and that this person is conscious and awake and has thoroughly denied the
existence of God and has chosen deliberately not to do God’s Will and wants to
continue to wreak havoc and violence upon other people, is very simple. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">The judgment of the Ancients of Days in this case is
immediate and that this person would be part of the sleeping survivors, and
there would be as you have seen in your Grimm’s Fairytales and such, the Grim
Reaper where a scythe cut of the Grim Reaper takes away all of those
individuals where there is absolutely no hope of saving this individual and
they have no hope of being saved and do not care to be saved. There, this distinction is very great. Their mercy has already been granted long before
the mortal came into existence, knowing that mercy is always available for the
individual who has even the slightest inkling that there may be a God, and the
slightest inkling that maybe that good exists in them, and maybe there is a
possibility of doing good in their life, whether they would be saved or
not. You see, mercy always exists… (Interruption that disturbed Daniel’s link
with Machiventa.)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">[This is <b>Daniel:</b> I can’t carry that
discussion further.]</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Liz:</b> I’m going to bring this up again next
time. I will do my research; this is
something that is near and dear to my heart and I appreciate Machiventa’s
clarity and I feel like he didn’t get a chance to finish, so with his
permission I will pursue this next time.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">The 7 core values will become
ubiquitous over time</span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Jeff:</b> Earlier in the conversation today, it was
stated that the 7 core values are a logical place to validate so many different
things that it should become—I’m reading between the lines here—ubiquitous over
a period of time. Is that your
understanding, or your belief?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b> That’s our recommendation, yes.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Jeff:</b> So, to add on to that, for something like
this to become very widespread and accepted as a benchmark for arriving at what
may be laws, rules or behavioral norms there has to be some sort of a buildup
of the authority by which this model is
employed. What comes to my mind as “SPQR,
<u>S</u>enātus <u>P</u>opulus<u>q</u>ue <u>R</u>ōmānus”<span style="color:red">
</span>that was carried by Roman Legions to establish the authority for what
they were doing. My question here is: Is there something that we can do along with
trying to build educational material that would lend authority to the use of
this model? <span style="color:red"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b> Yes, most definitely. Now you have started to connect the dots
between the 7 values, embedding them and investing them in organizations, and
the work of the local community design teams, which can also act as
participants in the democratic process.
Teams can recommend changes to existing bodies and can become
politically active in the democratic process to recommend bills and legislation
and so on. They can also become
generators of reliable candidates, and that each possible candidate would have
a brief synopsis of their lives, careers, and values and that this would be
available through your electronic devices when you scroll down and highlight
their name, etc. You have many processes
that can help bring the values into the public process and then to the
democratic process of your nation and all organizations.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Jeff:</b> Wouldn’t it be nice if that was available to
us coming up to this November?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b> We have made these suggestions many years
ago, but no one listened.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Craig:</b> I think that would be fantastic if we could
actually find a reliable bio of the candidates that are running.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">Net worth of individuals over
money, not 7 values</span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Stéphane:</b> If you look at the current makeup of
governments today, most of them have a large wealth, a net value associated—I
think I heard the average net worth of Senate members is 15 million dollars,
and so if you were to do this comparison of each individual as per the 7
values, I think you would find a leaning towards one end of the spectrum at the
current moment. Would you agree with
that?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b> That would be most difficult to assess, as
there are individuals who have very little money, who would also think that a
person who has lots of money would be a good person to vote for. Other individuals would vote the other
way. The assessment of money is not a
good criterion to use in the assessment of an individual’s capability to make
wise and discerning opinions, votes, and choices. We are striving to bring democratic process
around to a more intelligent and well balanced spectrum of candidates to assist
the evolution of your nation and all democratic nations. This is a culture-changing process, and as
you know will take decades. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">Some people do not learn by
experience</span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">The incident you mentioned as the election of 2016 and
eventually of 2018 and 2020 is such that this is the moral crisis that is
needed to make and convince people to think more reasonably and rationally and
logically. There are some, as you know
in all nations who no matter if they are right or wrong will still vote the
same way. These people are those who do
not learn by experience and there is little hope for assisting them to learn
otherwise as they are adamant in their opinions, and even when they accept
other options, they continue to vote the way they have always voted. This is the height of the human error.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">The polarization in the New
Era to a lesser degree</span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Stéphane:</b> <span style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Machiventa,
you said before that you have no preference for a 2-party system over a
multi-party system. Even with a multi-party system there seems to be
polarization from liberal and conservative factions. How do you see this
polarization progressing in the new era?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:5.5pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> </span><b>MACHIVENTA:</b> In the New Era there will continue to be polarization,
but not the extreme polarization that you see today. Yes, there will be the conservative side and
the liberal side even when the 7 values, morality, and ethics are
discussed. It will be a huge step of
progress if that were the context, that there would be ethics and morality and
the 7 values would be considered in choices and decisions. Yet, there would be a conservative side to
that and a liberal side to that and we have no objections to that. That will continue for many centuries. In the advent of the Days of Light and Life,
it becomes more and more porous that government is not needed, that people
become self-governing and that there will be individuals who want to be
strictly conservative and others who are still liberal and who go their own
way. This is an evident fact even in
worlds that are developed, even those that have been in the Days of Light and
Life for a long time. Individuals still
have free choice and that will continue to be exercised even to the last days
until the next stage of the 7<sup>th</sup> stage of the universe. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">[This is <b>Daniel:</b> I’ve had a really tough week in many regards
and I didn’t sleep well last night and so with your forgiveness I would like to
bring this to a close.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Craig:</b> Sounds like a great idea.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>Liz:</b> Do we have parting words from Machiventa?]</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192)">Seek your Thought Adjuster as
your best source to go to</span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>MACHIVENTA:</b> We hear the earnestness in your voices; we
hear the emotional attachment to these topics.
But if you are a discerning member of this team you will already have
discerned that there is some fragmentation and diminishment of returns in the
topics we have been pursuing. We are
deeply grateful for your thoughts, for your insights, for your delving into
these topics. The topics of ethics and
morality has been very exciting for us to see how you have worked your way
through these topics, these situations, and the issues of morality in your
current and future organizations of your society. Know that your Thought Adjuster is always the
best source to go to for the decisions and discussions of the topics you wish
to use. You must consider too, with a
bit of humor, that your Thought Adjuster is the ultimate “Wikipedia” of
universe knowledge and wisdom. This is
why we always suggest that you go to meditation and be open to receive your
Thought Adjuster’s sharing, whether that is in silence or that is in open
discussion with you. Know that we are
here to support you in all regards when you wish to do the Father’s Will, even
if it is a mere thought of “maybe I ought to do that.” Thank you and good day. </p>
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