[tmtranscripts] Lightline - Jan. 20 - Jerry Lane

[Kathleen L. Huntley]

Lightline Teleconference

Date:   January 20, 2011
T/R:    Jerry Lane
Teacher:   Nebadonia

Subject:  Personality Survival


Dear Mother Spirit and Michael, Welcome – Welcome especially Mother  
Spirit.  There have been many requests for you to give the lesson  
tonight, so we will give Michael a break and ask you then to - oh do  
as you always do – just talk to us your children and let us enjoy your  
point of view for a while.     The way you see things and see us.     
We do enjoy your continuing chapters on the handbook for being human.   
And we do try to take to heart, especially in our relationships with  
our friends and others, on these amazing aspects of being human,  
especially being human on this particular planet and this particular  
time. This has never happened before and, as you say, will never  
happen again.   So thank you, thank you dear Nebadonia for these  
lessons.   Amen.


Nebadonia:   Good evening my children this is Nebadonia, your Mother  
Spirit.  And indeed Michael is right here with us, always actually.    
He is much a part of you as I am.  And we do enjoy so much sharing our  
lives with you.   It is our delight when you choose consciously, with  
the full force and power and creativity of your own personality.   You  
offer to have us understand, experience, feel your life.   So, in this  
exchange, we give to each other, we delight in each other.    For many  
years now we have been giving this handbook on being human.    And  
there are some very tricky parts to it coming as you are to this  
handbook from each of your own separate, individual and unique points  
of view.   What is important is that you feel these realities within  
yourself and initially this is not selfishness or self-centeredness    
but what you cannot experience within yourselves and give credence  
with your whole heart and your whole soul you cannot experience in  
others.

So this is where it starts.  You are not only as we say “focal point”  
of experience, a nodule of experience out here in time and space, you  
are a participant.  You are in reality; you are reacting and out of  
your own essence acting.   A lot of discussion lately I notice has  
been on this quality of personality. What is it?   When does it  
start?  What are its functions?   What are its limits?   What are its  
abilities?

And in this my children, those of you who are familiar with the  
Urantia book, I encourage you to read, and then after it has soaked in  
for a while, read again that chapter titled Personality Survival.    
For therein it gives the most comprehensive and detailed of what you  
are.

Interruption:

This is Mother Spirit again.   To review this fathomless, bottomless,  
I should say this unfathomable mystery and miracle and marvel of what  
personality is it helps to read that chapter over several times  
because it is so condensed.   And as you bring various notions of  
personality to this it make take several readings to really absorb,  
not just pass over those aspects you may might not be familiar with.

There has been some wonder as when personality is created.   And some  
of you have forgotten that God not only exists in a very personal  
sense on paradise but he is also everywhere.  Omnipresent in a  
transcendent way and fully ubiquitous within time and space.    
Personality is not created in paradise and then sent out into time and  
space. Personality is bestowed upon a living system that includes mind  
or spirit.   In other words your human order.  Even beings like  
Solitary Messengers who wrote that chapter who are pure  
spirit,            but living pure spirit with personality.   One of  
the hardest concepts to wrap your mind around is how personality is  
devoid of identity. It has the ability to unify that identity it gets  
from what ever living mind, or material, or spirit – in your case all  
three -what ever living vehicle it is bequeathed upon.   That is where  
it gets its identity.

And this identity exists not only within every single reproductive  
cell.  But when a sperm and egg get together that is also a unique  
cosmic event.   A real event.  That fertilized egg has identity.  We  
used this example before.   Look at one of your old fashioned  
photographs of a large family, like ten or twelve children.   There  
you see the family resemblance, but you all so see the individuality,  
the identity of each one of those brothers and sisters.    They are    
distinct even on a physical, body-mind level.  So God in his  
everywhereness, in his absolute and infinite omissions comes up with,  
creates that personality to be associated with that unique living  
human being there.   Upon birth the personality begins to experience,  
and though this experience is yet shy of being counter parted with a  
Thought Adjuster and a full soul, you have also been informed that in  
those individuals who are not capable of Adjuster fusion and who  
arrive on the mansion worlds without the Thought Adjuster, there is  
still that quality of personality that does retain experience.   So  
they are slowly able to regain so much of their life experience even  
in the absence of a Thought Adjuster.

For most of you with Thought Adjusters this is the origin of your  
soul.   The experience, the personality as a focal point is unique  
focal point of experience.   It is like the Thought Adjuster eternal.  
But, the association with a living mind and body is a very temporal,  
provisional kind of arrangement. As your Urantia book puts it, the  
personality is changeless.   It does not change and neither does the  
Thought Adjuster.

But, the relationship between them, in the soul, is incessant change –  
growth, evolution.   This is what the soul is.   The soul is  
repository of the personality’s experience, woven together with the  
Thought Adjuster’s experience of that experience.   In other words the  
soul is just more than your memories.   It has this extra dimension.    
It is a Morontia reality.   We had to introduce that word.   It had no  
previous existence in your world literature to designate this profound  
cosmic reality that comes into existence.    And so we have given so  
many lessons on the enormity of your soul.   Its being very contra- 
distinct from your memories.   You can think of your memories of what  
your brain, what your material mind comes up with.   Where you were on  
such and such of a date at such and such of a time.   When you sit  
down in your stillness, and in your meditation, you go back to that  
time in the past and just let it swell forth and be astonished that  
all that is still there of that time in the past.  Right down to not  
only what you saw and heard, and related with, but how it felt.    How  
it felt to be five years old, or fifteen or twenty-five.     What your  
whole take on reality was then.

And so, my children, your soul is the fullness within your memories.    
We need never fear that even though if your memories fade through  
dementia, Alzheimer’s disease to whatever.  To whatever happens to  
your physical body and what you normally think of as memories.  What  
ever happens your soul is being held sacrosanct by an individualized  
presence of God.   This is what your soul is.    So your personality  
is what you are.   You can understand why in so many philosophies and  
religions the soul is considered to be the fundamental reality.   So  
many of these systems, of concepts and thoughts, there is no clear  
idea of what we mean by personality.

There is some question as to what influence some kind of previous  
existence of either the personality or the soul, what influences it  
might have on your present life.   In this eternal now in which you  
exist.    Here we have to reassure you that the freedom of choice you  
have, the free will you have in this present moment, is only  
influenced by your own personal life.   This particular life you are  
living now.   This is a great relief to so many because they are free  
from interpretation of what is happening around them as being somehow  
beyond their control.   Somehow beyond their freedom of choice there  
is this other operative.   This other influence functioning in their  
life.   It is strictly their own memories and their own soul with the  
creativity of their personality. This is that unfathomable aspect of  
you my children that is so hard to grasp is your own creativity of  
how, with certain concepts, certain ways of looking at life, your  
life.   The interpretation and the understanding can be so profoundly  
affected.   We like that expression that the personality is like an  
eye that sees but it can’t see itself.  Your own creativity is so  
seamless.   So much a part of you.  It is so often hard to credit just  
how much of your reality is coming from you as an interpretation of  
what is happening.

This is why we have to reassure you that the only thing operating in  
your life is your life.   This life that began when your mother and  
father conceived you.    You had no previous existence that had any  
influence upon you.   As your Urantia book states in that instance  
where Michael, when he was Jesus, approached a man who had been blind  
from birth and he was asked, ‘what caused this?   Was this some sin  
his father had done?   Some sin his mother perhaps had done? Or even  
some sin he had committed in some previous time?’  And it states there  
what difficulty Jesus had in convincing those around him, that a human  
being has no previous existence.   But, you do have the ability to  
interpret reality along lines of belief and what you were raised.

So tonight I would like to address that question of reincarnation
by showing how much it has in common with what we have taught.   First  
and most important is there is life after death.    Your physical  
death here on Urantia is not the end of your personality or your  
soul.   Your changeless personality finds identity in that soul.    
Your soul is what you carry with you.   This is your only possession,  
your only necessary possession.   This is the life you have lived and  
earned.   This is you as you carry forward and keep adding to it.   
This is how the personality, though changeless, learns, adapts, and  
gains abilities.    The other thing that is common with reincarnation  
is this process.    We are just saying it begins here.   You do go on  
to life after life after life on worlds beyond number.   Even hundreds  
of changes in your body-mind make up as you go through the Morontia  
realms.   It just simply begins here. And, as various concepts within  
reincarnation hint at a kind of universal, almost cosmic justice.   If  
you live a good life here the life you go on to live, the next life  
will reflect that goodness. Or, if you are evil here, that next life  
will reflect that evil.   The Urantia book breaks it down for you a  
little more specifically in terms of levels of connection with  
Deity.   The psychic circles that explain, to a very small degree  
granted, what this next life will be for you.

Where the concept of reincarnation goes wrong is, as I just suggested,  
is that in its attempt with this feeling of cosmic justice.   There is  
that attempt to explain everything that happens to people in terms of  
some previous existence.    You won’t need to think of what we call  
true accidents of time and space. Shall I say that the people that are  
killed or terribly injured in an earthquake or recently in a  
Tsunami.   There is no way that those people “deserve this”.   This is  
no way a kind of punishment for something that happened before.    As  
Michael said, it is a geological disturbance and an impersonal wall of  
water went towards the land.   So, with this attempt to explain  
everything in terms of some previous existence can, as the Urantia  
book said, lead to notions of almost a loss of freedom.   An inability  
to know what is happening.   If you will a too facile explanation of  
what happens to people.   Open your minds to wonder deeper, yet also  
with the courage to accept there are truly accidents from the human  
point of view.  But, enough for the lesson this evening.  I sense  
there are some questions out there to be asked or comments to be made  
about this or anything else on your mind, so please feel free to join  
the conversation.

Questioner #1: Nebadonia this is  ….   I have a question I’d like a  
little bit more clarification if you would please.  You mentioned  
personality is identified when the egg and the sperm meet and you also  
mentioned the birth of where it gains it first experience.   Is  
personality imbued more at the point of birth or at the point of  
conception?

Nebadonia:   At the point of conception because this is where you have  
a living – it is not like a being, but it is a fertilized egg that is  
unique.   It has identity and so the personality is associated with  
this living – it is a body in a way.   It is a living creature.   It  
has identity. And this is what it takes for the personality to be  
associated with.

Questioner #1: Thank you.  That does answer my question.

Nebadonia:   If you think of it this way there is no limit to what God  
knows.  In terms of that sperm and that egg.   Even in your modern  
science you get right down to the DNA.   I use the illustration of a  
large family to say that even though this is coming from the same  
mother and father, that union of a sperm and an egg has identity, has  
individuality.    That is what is required.

Questioner  #1:  I do have a follow-up question about personality.    
It has to do with some of the changes that have to do with how we  
think of personality.   As it relates to the study of astrology and  
personality.   Is personality at all influenced by motions of planets  
and position in relation to other celestial bodies?

Nebadonia:   No, except (laughter), then again this is an enormous  
exception.   Somewhat parallel to what I taught on concepts and whole  
ways of interpreting things in terms of reincarnation.   For those who  
believe in astrology, it is a centuries old, highly complex psychology  
if you will.   And, in relating human behavior to the position of the  
stars it has evolved.    It has evolved to psychology explaining human  
behavior that is been growing and evolving ever since it was first  
introduced.   It is no minor thing.   A person who believes in  
astrology can other words can interpret reality in that way and learn  
a great deal from it. It gives a way of expressing cause and effect on  
a psychological level.   A way of explaining human behavior.   Like  
any other belief system, the more it is believed in the more it has  
influence, and what you call self fulfilling theory or self fulfilling  
philosophy. But, there is no direct causal relationship between the  
position of the physical universe around you and your qualities of  
your personality or soul that come out as behavior.

Questioner #1:  Are there patterns of personality that we may see  
relationships between?  Different patterns between people and  
relationship as to when they were born or when they were conceived?

Nebadonia:   Only in so far as what we call  - - we have given so many  
lessons on the enormity of culture right down to language, words and  
concepts.    All this you absorb in your first three, four and five  
years of your life.   That is what influences the individual more than  
anything else.  You have a, shall we say, a number of people in a  
neighborhood, who have no knowledge what so ever of astrology.   It  
has no influence on them.   Does that make sense?

Questioner #1: I don’t understand your last comment there.   If you  
had a group of individuals who didn’t know about astrology they would  
not -?

Nebadonia:   If they do not know about astrology, they are not  
interpreting their own human behavior in terms of what sign you are  
born under with the whole different parts of the personality as it is  
defined in astrological terms.   They have no knowledge of this  
whatsoever.   They don’t interpret what is happening to them, shall we  
say what sign are you?   What is your rising sign?  All these  
different constellations and things.   If they have no notion there is  
no way astrology is affecting their life.   It is only a belief system  
and has all the power and limitations of a belief system.   For those  
who believe in astrology it is obviously apparent.   This is what is  
determining so much of what is happening to them and to others.     
But, it is only a belief system.

Questioner #1: A belief system would have nothing to do with a  
scientific reason.

Nebadonia:   Exactly it has no. ..  It cannot be empirically  
demonstrated in that sense.

Questioner #1: So if people that were born on the same day if they may  
be exhibiting some kind of common personality trait, that is something  
we are reading into it, not something that is actually there?

Nebadonia:   It is both.  It is both there but it is your  
interpretation of what is there.   So as your experience it is both.   
You aren’t actually making something up.   You are interpreting  
behavior in a certain way according to a certain understanding of  
cause and effect. There is that implied causal relationship, shall we  
say if you were born in a certain, under a certain sign, the heavens  
were in a certain relationship when you were born, there is that  
implied thing that is some how effecting you.  The stars do not  
compel, they comply but they do not absolutely determine who and what  
you are.  Of course through out all of this you have free will.

Questioner #1: So there is no repetitious pattern to personality at  
all relating at all to time?

Nebadonia:  Relating to time?

Questioner #1:  Time, yes, as in cycles of earth.   Yearly cycles,  
monthly cycles and anything to do with a time base?

Nebadonia:  Oh no.   That is another whole thing.   I was thinking of  
astrology strictly with respect to the stars.   The position of the  
stars and things.

Questioner #1: I’m talking about time as maybe the planets fall into  
certain patterns that relate to different cycles.    I just think of  
the planet and stars and how it cycles.   Personality, does it have  
cycles that are consistent….in a time basis where people would have  
certain personalities - have similar characteristics on a certain time  
base?

Nebadonia:  No, in this case my son, it is like the seasonal changes  
and what the climate and things like this.   What part of the earth  
they are born and raised in.   These kinds of cycles have enormous  
influence you know, over childhood development shall we say.   When  
you talk about just the relationships of planets and shall we say,  
empirical forces, gravitational and so forth like this on the earth  
now you are getting out of astrology and getting into actual  
astronomy.     But, I can say with the respect to the starry heavens  
and the stars and the planets, there is no direct causal relationship  
between them and human behavior.    That is implicit.

Questioner #:   Take away the planets and I’m just talking about  
cycles of personality.   Are there cycles of personality where a  
particular trait may be greater or lesser than individuals that are  
born at a particular time?

Nebadonia:  Yes, that is what I meant to answer.   We are getting back  
to heredity and environment.   In that sense of just the general  
environment.  Where you are on earth, what the seasons are, this sort  
of thing has a lot to do with childhood development and behavior.    
But that is all. There is no other implied causality.

Questioner #1: I don’t want to mix personality with nurture.  I’m  
talking about the imbuement of personality with nurture.  Maybe I  
don’t understand.

Nebadonia:   You have to keep in mind that each personality is  
unique.   And also, this changelessness of personality.   Personality  
does not change – ever! Personality gains identity by way of growing  
of soul.    As we say you earn experience through living.   By living  
experience you are growing a soul and that is what constitutes your  
identity.  The personality itself does not change.  Personality does  
not come in types or anything like that.   It is changeless and in  
each one unique.  When you get into astrology you are talking about  
influences of behavior.    So I am not sure what you mean by cycles of  
personality.

Questioner #1:  I’d say cycles of personality having to do with  
whether people have a certain personality trait like as defined by  
astrology, more stubborn, or more fixed or emotionally wavering.     
Just personality traits that seem to have cycles of …………    Does that  
make sense?

Nebadonia:   Yes my son that is what I referred to as human behavior.   
And also, astrology is a highly complex and very comprehensive  
psychology, which is the explanation of human behavior.   What gives  
rise to and the inter-relationships.  So, you are asking if all Virgos  
or all Gemini exhibit because of that, certain identical kind of  
traits that gives them identity as a Virgo or as a Gemini.   And, I am  
saying in so far as they believe in that system of behavior  
interpretation if you will.

Questioner #1:  Thank you very much.   I don’t want to dominate all  
the questioning.

Jerry: Are there any more questions or comments this evening? Michael  
mentioned before that sometimes there is hesitancy to disturb this  
marvelous stillness, that we can share.



Questioner #2:  I think that you just gave us so much to think about.   
I'm trying to understand the personality being unchanging and unique.   
It must be that part of us that comes together when the sperm and the  
egg meet.  When we're told we're unique, that must be the unique part  
because if I understand your conversation tonight Mother Spirit, that  
personality is constant and unchanging.



Nebadonia:  Yes my daughter, the personality is, you can call it,  
bequeathed or associated with a living, in this case, a living  
fertilized cell that has identity.  This is the hardest thing for so  
many folks to realize, that the personality itself is devoid of  
identity, that it has the innate ability and function of unifying  
whatever living organism it is associated with. [Thank you, that is  
very helpful.]



We call you a nodule of experience, a focal point of experience.  In  
some systems called monism where everything is one, everything is God,  
there is absolutely no...everything that shows you.. every experience  
or every perception that something is not God or is even dual, is a  
kind of an illusion like God forgets Himself in order to be an  
individual, and upon death or an enlightenment experience that gave  
rise to these concepts, the individuality and the personality.  This  
goes back to God.   God just realizes He's been acting as this being  
and upon death the individuality and the personality just go back to  
God as like a drop to the ocean.   Whereas we're saying no, there is  
an enduring entity here, there is an enduring cosmic quality of  
individualized being, this personality.



Even in the Urantia Book there is this statement that it would be  
presumptuous, even for a solitary messenger who wrote that chapter,  
for this pure spirit being to try to exhaustively define personality.   
Like you say, there's certain things we know about it, because  
personality is an eternal, discreet individualization.  In other words  
it is endowed with this potential for free will, even to go against  
God's will, for you do have some very ungodly behavior that comes  
right out of the personalities creativity. This personality being  
eternal and changeless does however evolve by gaining a soul.  So the  
personality and the soul are distinct from one another.  I think the  
Urantia Book puts it; personality is the one thing that can be added  
to spirit, showing the primacy of the Father over the Eternal Son of  
Spirit.  God is personality.  He's not only a personal being, He is  
the origin and the essence of personality, this is where personality  
comes from.  He is able of His creativity to create an individualized  
personality and in this sense, set it free.  So you have that  
statement that God is just beyond time, He sees the end from the  
beginning, He inhabits eternity.  At the same time you have that  
statement that God's will obtains in the whole, because literally He  
is creating the parameters for each order of personal beings.



Yet God's will does not obtain in the individual except by that  
individual’s free will choice to discover and follow God's will which  
gives rise to all the ungodly behavior of personal beings. That's the  
freedom, that's the individuality or the uniqueness of every personal  
being.  It's not just God pretending to be some other being.  That is  
the eternal prospect that you have as a personality.  You need never  
end as a discreet being growing a soul forever.  That is God's gift to  
you. God's gift my daughter, is you.  You get to have your life  
forever, you are real.



Questioner #2:  Thank you very much, you have been very very helpful.



Nebadonia:  Again, we are dealing with some unfathomable mysteries  
here but I hope it teases you to wonder and marvel and bring forth  
your other most wonderful gift of God, curiosity.  Who am I, what am  
I?  That is why the Urantia Book gives  you so many orders of personal  
beings, seraphim and midwayers and melchizedeks and on and on.  One of  
these days Michael and I will have to give a lesson on time, of the  
eternal now.  The only thing I would tease you with tonight is that  
through all your marvelous science fiction, going back in the past or  
going up in the future and looking around and dodging all kinds of  
time paradoxes that have been around since, I guess it was Mr. Wells  
that started this whole thing, it is very difficult to conceive that  
the future does not exist, it has not happened yet.   So I will leave  
you with that. Are there any other questions or comments?



Well now my children,let me bid you all a good evening.  I hope you've  
had as much fun as I've had.  This is our delight, you are our delight  
and we are blessed to experience you, your personalities, your souls  
and still as you can give a gift to God of seeking His will and doing  
your best to live by it and actually becoming more real by doing so,  
so too we delight when you turn your minds to us and simply say hi  
Dad, hello Mom, thank you for me, thank you for being with me.  It  
really does set us aglow.  I bid you a good evening, be in my love.










  
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