[tmtranscripts] Fwd: Lightline - Jan. 20 - Jerry Lane

[Kathleen L. Huntley]

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> From: Kathleen L. Huntley <nox2386 at blackfoot.net>
> Date: February 19, 2011 6:33:44 AM MST
> To: tmtranscripts at circuit1.teamcircuits.com
> Subject: Lightline - Jan. 20 - Jerry Lane
>
> Lightline Teleconference
>
> Date:   January 20, 2011
> T/R:    Jerry Lane
> Teacher:   Nebadonia
>
> Subject:  Personality Survival
>
>
> Dear Mother Spirit and Michael, Welcome – Welcome especially Mother  
> Spirit.  There have been many requests for you to give the lesson  
> tonight, so we will give Michael a break and ask you then to - oh do  
> as you always do – just talk to us your children and let us enjoy  
> your point of view for a while.     The way you see things and see  
> us.    We do enjoy your continuing chapters on the handbook for  
> being human.  And we do try to take to heart, especially in our  
> relationships with our friends and others, on these amazing aspects  
> of being human, especially being human on this particular planet and  
> this particular time. This has never happened before and, as you  
> say, will never happen again.   So thank you, thank you dear  
> Nebadonia for these lessons.   Amen.
>
>
> Nebadonia:   Good evening my children this is Nebadonia, your Mother  
> Spirit.  And indeed Michael is right here with us, always  
> actually.   He is much a part of you as I am.  And we do enjoy so  
> much sharing our lives with you.   It is our delight when you choose  
> consciously, with the full force and power and creativity of your  
> own personality.   You offer to have us understand, experience, feel  
> your life.   So, in this exchange, we give to each other, we delight  
> in each other.    For many years now we have been giving this  
> handbook on being human.    And there are some very tricky parts to  
> it coming as you are to this handbook from each of your own  
> separate, individual and unique points of view.   What is important  
> is that you feel these realities within yourself and initially this  
> is not selfishness or self-centeredness   but what you cannot  
> experience within yourselves and give credence with your whole heart  
> and your whole soul you cannot experience in others.
>
> So this is where it starts.  You are not only as we say “focal  
> point” of experience, a nodule of experience out here in time and  
> space, you are a participant.  You are in reality; you are reacting  
> and out of your own essence acting.   A lot of discussion lately I  
> notice has been on this quality of personality. What is it?   When  
> does it start?  What are its functions?   What are its limits?    
> What are its abilities?
>
> And in this my children, those of you who are familiar with the  
> Urantia book, I encourage you to read, and then after it has soaked  
> in for a while, read again that chapter titled Personality  
> Survival.   For therein it gives the most comprehensive and detailed  
> of what you are.
>
> Interruption:
>
> This is Mother Spirit again.   To review this fathomless,  
> bottomless, I should say this unfathomable mystery and miracle and  
> marvel of what personality is it helps to read that chapter over  
> several times because it is so condensed.   And as you bring various  
> notions of personality to this it make take several readings to  
> really absorb, not just pass over those aspects you may might not be  
> familiar with.
>
> There has been some wonder as when personality is created.   And  
> some of you have forgotten that God not only exists in a very  
> personal sense on paradise but he is also everywhere.  Omnipresent  
> in a transcendent way and fully ubiquitous within time and space.    
> Personality is not created in paradise and then sent out into time  
> and space. Personality is bestowed upon a living system that  
> includes mind or spirit.   In other words your human order.  Even  
> beings like Solitary Messengers who wrote that chapter who are pure  
> spirit,            but living pure spirit with personality.   One of  
> the hardest concepts to wrap your mind around is how personality is  
> devoid of identity. It has the ability to unify that identity it  
> gets from what ever living mind, or material, or spirit – in your  
> case all three -what ever living vehicle it is bequeathed upon.    
> That is where it gets its identity.
>
> And this identity exists not only within every single reproductive  
> cell.  But when a sperm and egg get together that is also a unique  
> cosmic event.   A real event.  That fertilized egg has identity.  We  
> used this example before.   Look at one of your old fashioned  
> photographs of a large family, like ten or twelve children.   There  
> you see the family resemblance, but you all so see the  
> individuality, the identity of each one of those brothers and  
> sisters.    They are   distinct even on a physical, body-mind  
> level.  So God in his everywhereness, in his absolute and infinite  
> omissions comes up with, creates that personality to be associated  
> with that unique living human being there.   Upon birth the  
> personality begins to experience, and though this experience is yet  
> shy of being counter parted with a Thought Adjuster and a full soul,  
> you have also been informed that in those individuals who are not  
> capable of Adjuster fusion and who arrive on the mansion worlds  
> without the Thought Adjuster, there is still that quality of  
> personality that does retain experience.   So they are slowly able  
> to regain so much of their life experience even in the absence of a  
> Thought Adjuster.
>
> For most of you with Thought Adjusters this is the origin of your  
> soul.   The experience, the personality as a focal point is unique  
> focal point of experience.   It is like the Thought Adjuster  
> eternal. But, the association with a living mind and body is a very  
> temporal, provisional kind of arrangement. As your Urantia book puts  
> it, the personality is changeless.   It does not change and neither  
> does the Thought Adjuster.
>
> But, the relationship between them, in the soul, is incessant change  
> – growth, evolution.   This is what the soul is.   The soul is  
> repository of the personality’s experience, woven together with the  
> Thought Adjuster’s experience of that experience.   In other words  
> the soul is just more than your memories.   It has this extra  
> dimension.   It is a Morontia reality.   We had to introduce that  
> word.   It had no previous existence in your world literature to  
> designate this profound cosmic reality that comes into existence.     
> And so we have given so many lessons on the enormity of your soul.    
> Its being very contra-distinct from your memories.   You can think  
> of your memories of what your brain, what your material mind comes  
> up with.   Where you were on such and such of a date at such and  
> such of a time.   When you sit down in your stillness, and in your  
> meditation, you go back to that time in the past and just let it  
> swell forth and be astonished that all that is still there of that  
> time in the past.  Right down to not only what you saw and heard,  
> and related with, but how it felt.    How it felt to be five years  
> old, or fifteen or twenty-five.     What your whole take on reality  
> was then.
>
> And so, my children, your soul is the fullness within your  
> memories.   We need never fear that even though if your memories  
> fade through dementia, Alzheimer’s disease to whatever.  To whatever  
> happens to your physical body and what you normally think of as  
> memories.  What ever happens your soul is being held sacrosanct by  
> an individualized presence of God.   This is what your soul is.     
> So your personality is what you are.   You can understand why in so  
> many philosophies and religions the soul is considered to be the  
> fundamental reality.   So many of these systems, of concepts and  
> thoughts, there is no clear idea of what we mean by personality.
>
> There is some question as to what influence some kind of previous  
> existence of either the personality or the soul, what influences it  
> might have on your present life.   In this eternal now in which you  
> exist.    Here we have to reassure you that the freedom of choice  
> you have, the free will you have in this present moment, is only  
> influenced by your own personal life.   This particular life you are  
> living now.   This is a great relief to so many because they are  
> free from interpretation of what is happening around them as being  
> somehow beyond their control.   Somehow beyond their freedom of  
> choice there is this other operative.   This other influence  
> functioning in their life.   It is strictly their own memories and  
> their own soul with the creativity of their personality. This is  
> that unfathomable aspect of you my children that is so hard to grasp  
> is your own creativity of how, with certain concepts, certain ways  
> of looking at life, your life.   The interpretation and the  
> understanding can be so profoundly affected.   We like that  
> expression that the personality is like an eye that sees but it  
> can’t see itself.  Your own creativity is so seamless.   So much a  
> part of you.  It is so often hard to credit just how much of your  
> reality is coming from you as an interpretation of what is happening.
>
> This is why we have to reassure you that the only thing operating in  
> your life is your life.   This life that began when your mother and  
> father conceived you.    You had no previous existence that had any  
> influence upon you.   As your Urantia book states in that instance  
> where Michael, when he was Jesus, approached a man who had been  
> blind from birth and he was asked, ‘what caused this?   Was this  
> some sin his father had done?   Some sin his mother perhaps had  
> done? Or even some sin he had committed in some previous time?’  And  
> it states there what difficulty Jesus had in convincing those around  
> him, that a human being has no previous existence.   But, you do  
> have the ability to interpret reality along lines of belief and what  
> you were raised.
>
> So tonight I would like to address that question of reincarnation
> by showing how much it has in common with what we have taught.    
> First and most important is there is life after death.    Your  
> physical death here on Urantia is not the end of your personality or  
> your soul.   Your changeless personality finds identity in that  
> soul.   Your soul is what you carry with you.   This is your only  
> possession, your only necessary possession.   This is the life you  
> have lived and earned.   This is you as you carry forward and keep  
> adding to it.  This is how the personality, though changeless,  
> learns, adapts, and gains abilities.    The other thing that is  
> common with reincarnation is this process.    We are just saying it  
> begins here.   You do go on to life after life after life on worlds  
> beyond number.   Even hundreds of changes in your body-mind make up  
> as you go through the Morontia realms.   It just simply begins here.  
> And, as various concepts within reincarnation hint at a kind of  
> universal, almost cosmic justice.   If you live a good life here the  
> life you go on to live, the next life will reflect that goodness.  
> Or, if you are evil here, that next life will reflect that evil.    
> The Urantia book breaks it down for you a little more specifically  
> in terms of levels of connection with Deity.   The psychic circles  
> that explain, to a very small degree granted, what this next life  
> will be for you.
>
> Where the concept of reincarnation goes wrong is, as I just  
> suggested, is that in its attempt with this feeling of cosmic  
> justice.   There is that attempt to explain everything that happens  
> to people in terms of some previous existence.    You won’t need to  
> think of what we call true accidents of time and space. Shall I say  
> that the people that are killed or terribly injured in an earthquake  
> or recently in a Tsunami.   There is no way that those people  
> “deserve this”.   This is no way a kind of punishment for something  
> that happened before.    As Michael said, it is a geological  
> disturbance and an impersonal wall of water went towards the land.    
> So, with this attempt to explain everything in terms of some  
> previous existence can, as the Urantia book said, lead to notions of  
> almost a loss of freedom.   An inability to know what is  
> happening.   If you will a too facile explanation of what happens to  
> people.   Open your minds to wonder deeper, yet also with the  
> courage to accept there are truly accidents from the human point of  
> view.  But, enough for the lesson this evening.  I sense there are  
> some questions out there to be asked or comments to be made about  
> this or anything else on your mind, so please feel free to join the  
> conversation.
>
> Questioner #1: Nebadonia this is  ….   I have a question I’d like a  
> little bit more clarification if you would please.  You mentioned  
> personality is identified when the egg and the sperm meet and you  
> also mentioned the birth of where it gains it first experience.   Is  
> personality imbued more at the point of birth or at the point of  
> conception?
>
> Nebadonia:   At the point of conception because this is where you  
> have a living – it is not like a being, but it is a fertilized egg  
> that is unique.   It has identity and so the personality is  
> associated with this living – it is a body in a way.   It is a  
> living creature.   It has identity. And this is what it takes for  
> the personality to be associated with.
>
> Questioner #1: Thank you.  That does answer my question.
>
> Nebadonia:   If you think of it this way there is no limit to what  
> God knows.  In terms of that sperm and that egg.   Even in your  
> modern science you get right down to the DNA.   I use the  
> illustration of a large family to say that even though this is  
> coming from the same mother and father, that union of a sperm and an  
> egg has identity, has individuality.    That is what is required.
>
> Questioner  #1:  I do have a follow-up question about personality.    
> It has to do with some of the changes that have to do with how we  
> think of personality.   As it relates to the study of astrology and  
> personality.   Is personality at all influenced by motions of  
> planets and position in relation to other celestial bodies?
>
> Nebadonia:   No, except (laughter), then again this is an enormous  
> exception.   Somewhat parallel to what I taught on concepts and  
> whole ways of interpreting things in terms of reincarnation.   For  
> those who believe in astrology, it is a centuries old, highly  
> complex psychology if you will.   And, in relating human behavior to  
> the position of the stars it has evolved.    It has evolved to  
> psychology explaining human behavior that is been growing and  
> evolving ever since it was first introduced.   It is no minor  
> thing.   A person who believes in astrology can other words can  
> interpret reality in that way and learn a great deal from it. It  
> gives a way of expressing cause and effect on a psychological  
> level.   A way of explaining human behavior.   Like any other belief  
> system, the more it is believed in the more it has influence, and  
> what you call self fulfilling theory or self fulfilling philosophy.  
> But, there is no direct causal relationship between the position of  
> the physical universe around you and your qualities of your  
> personality or soul that come out as behavior.
>
> Questioner #1:  Are there patterns of personality that we may see  
> relationships between?  Different patterns between people and  
> relationship as to when they were born or when they were conceived?
>
> Nebadonia:   Only in so far as what we call  - - we have given so  
> many lessons on the enormity of culture right down to language,  
> words and concepts.    All this you absorb in your first three, four  
> and five years of your life.   That is what influences the  
> individual more than anything else.  You have a, shall we say, a  
> number of people in a neighborhood, who have no knowledge what so  
> ever of astrology.   It has no influence on them.   Does that make  
> sense?
>
> Questioner #1: I don’t understand your last comment there.   If you  
> had a group of individuals who didn’t know about astrology they  
> would not -?
>
> Nebadonia:   If they do not know about astrology, they are not  
> interpreting their own human behavior in terms of what sign you are  
> born under with the whole different parts of the personality as it  
> is defined in astrological terms.   They have no knowledge of this  
> whatsoever.   They don’t interpret what is happening to them, shall  
> we say what sign are you?   What is your rising sign?  All these  
> different constellations and things.   If they have no notion there  
> is no way astrology is affecting their life.   It is only a belief  
> system and has all the power and limitations of a belief system.    
> For those who believe in astrology it is obviously apparent.   This  
> is what is determining so much of what is happening to them and to  
> others.    But, it is only a belief system.
>
> Questioner #1: A belief system would have nothing to do with a  
> scientific reason.
>
> Nebadonia:   Exactly it has no. ..  It cannot be empirically  
> demonstrated in that sense.
>
> Questioner #1: So if people that were born on the same day if they  
> may be exhibiting some kind of common personality trait, that is  
> something we are reading into it, not something that is actually  
> there?
>
> Nebadonia:   It is both.  It is both there but it is your  
> interpretation of what is there.   So as your experience it is  
> both.  You aren’t actually making something up.   You are  
> interpreting behavior in a certain way according to a certain  
> understanding of cause and effect. There is that implied causal  
> relationship, shall we say if you were born in a certain, under a  
> certain sign, the heavens were in a certain relationship when you  
> were born, there is that implied thing that is some how effecting  
> you.  The stars do not compel, they comply but they do not  
> absolutely determine who and what you are.  Of course through out  
> all of this you have free will.
>
> Questioner #1: So there is no repetitious pattern to personality at  
> all relating at all to time?
>
> Nebadonia:  Relating to time?
>
> Questioner #1:  Time, yes, as in cycles of earth.   Yearly cycles,  
> monthly cycles and anything to do with a time base?
>
> Nebadonia:  Oh no.   That is another whole thing.   I was thinking  
> of astrology strictly with respect to the stars.   The position of  
> the stars and things.
>
> Questioner #1: I’m talking about time as maybe the planets fall into  
> certain patterns that relate to different cycles.    I just think of  
> the planet and stars and how it cycles.   Personality, does it have  
> cycles that are consistent….in a time basis where people would have  
> certain personalities - have similar characteristics on a certain  
> time base?
>
> Nebadonia:  No, in this case my son, it is like the seasonal changes  
> and what the climate and things like this.   What part of the earth  
> they are born and raised in.   These kinds of cycles have enormous  
> influence you know, over childhood development shall we say.   When  
> you talk about just the relationships of planets and shall we say,  
> empirical forces, gravitational and so forth like this on the earth  
> now you are getting out of astrology and getting into actual  
> astronomy.     But, I can say with the respect to the starry heavens  
> and the stars and the planets, there is no direct causal  
> relationship between them and human behavior.    That is implicit.
>
> Questioner #:   Take away the planets and I’m just talking about  
> cycles of personality.   Are there cycles of personality where a  
> particular trait may be greater or lesser than individuals that are  
> born at a particular time?
>
> Nebadonia:  Yes, that is what I meant to answer.   We are getting  
> back to heredity and environment.   In that sense of just the  
> general environment.  Where you are on earth, what the seasons are,  
> this sort of thing has a lot to do with childhood development and  
> behavior.   But that is all. There is no other implied causality.
>
> Questioner #1: I don’t want to mix personality with nurture.  I’m  
> talking about the imbuement of personality with nurture.  Maybe I  
> don’t understand.
>
> Nebadonia:   You have to keep in mind that each personality is  
> unique.   And also, this changelessness of personality.    
> Personality does not change – ever! Personality gains identity by  
> way of growing of soul.    As we say you earn experience through  
> living.   By living experience you are growing a soul and that is  
> what constitutes your identity.  The personality itself does not  
> change.  Personality does not come in types or anything like that.    
> It is changeless and in each one unique.  When you get into  
> astrology you are talking about influences of behavior.    So I am  
> not sure what you mean by cycles of personality.
>
> Questioner #1:  I’d say cycles of personality having to do with  
> whether people have a certain personality trait like as defined by  
> astrology, more stubborn, or more fixed or emotionally wavering.     
> Just personality traits that seem to have cycles of …………    Does  
> that make sense?
>
> Nebadonia:   Yes my son that is what I referred to as human  
> behavior.  And also, astrology is a highly complex and very  
> comprehensive psychology, which is the explanation of human  
> behavior.   What gives rise to and the inter-relationships.  So, you  
> are asking if all Virgos or all Gemini exhibit because of that,  
> certain identical kind of traits that gives them identity as a Virgo  
> or as a Gemini.   And, I am saying in so far as they believe in that  
> system of behavior interpretation if you will.
>
> Questioner #1:  Thank you very much.   I don’t want to dominate all  
> the questioning.
>
> Jerry: Are there any more questions or comments this evening?  
> Michael mentioned before that sometimes there is hesitancy to  
> disturb this marvelous stillness, that we can share.
>
>
>
> Questioner #2:  I think that you just gave us so much to think  
> about.  I'm trying to understand the personality being unchanging  
> and unique.  It must be that part of us that comes together when the  
> sperm and the egg meet.  When we're told we're unique, that must be  
> the unique part because if I understand your conversation tonight  
> Mother Spirit, that personality is constant and unchanging.
>
>
>
> Nebadonia:  Yes my daughter, the personality is, you can call it,  
> bequeathed or associated with a living, in this case, a living  
> fertilized cell that has identity.  This is the hardest thing for so  
> many folks to realize, that the personality itself is devoid of  
> identity, that it has the innate ability and function of unifying  
> whatever living organism it is associated with. [Thank you, that is  
> very helpful.]
>
>
>
> We call you a nodule of experience, a focal point of experience.  In  
> some systems called monism where everything is one, everything is  
> God, there is absolutely no...everything that shows you.. every  
> experience or every perception that something is not God or is even  
> dual, is a kind of an illusion like God forgets Himself in order to  
> be an individual, and upon death or an enlightenment experience that  
> gave rise to these concepts, the individuality and the personality.   
> This goes back to God.   God just realizes He's been acting as this  
> being and upon death the individuality and the personality just go  
> back to God as like a drop to the ocean.   Whereas we're saying no,  
> there is an enduring entity here, there is an enduring cosmic  
> quality of individualized being, this personality.
>
>
>
> Even in the Urantia Book there is this statement that it would be  
> presumptuous, even for a solitary messenger who wrote that chapter,  
> for this pure spirit being to try to exhaustively define  
> personality.  Like you say, there's certain things we know about it,  
> because personality is an eternal, discreet individualization.  In  
> other words it is endowed with this potential for free will, even to  
> go against God's will, for you do have some very ungodly behavior  
> that comes right out of the personalities creativity. This  
> personality being eternal and changeless does however evolve by  
> gaining a soul.  So the personality and the soul are distinct from  
> one another.  I think the Urantia Book puts it; personality is the  
> one thing that can be added to spirit, showing the primacy of the  
> Father over the Eternal Son of Spirit.  God is personality.  He's  
> not only a personal being, He is the origin and the essence of  
> personality, this is where personality comes from.  He is able of  
> His creativity to create an individualized personality and in this  
> sense, set it free.  So you have that statement that God is just  
> beyond time, He sees the end from the beginning, He inhabits  
> eternity.  At the same time you have that statement that God's will  
> obtains in the whole, because literally He is creating the  
> parameters for each order of personal beings.
>
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>
> Yet God's will does not obtain in the individual except by that  
> individual’s free will choice to discover and follow God's will  
> which gives rise to all the ungodly behavior of personal beings.  
> That's the freedom, that's the individuality or the uniqueness of  
> every personal being.  It's not just God pretending to be some other  
> being.  That is the eternal prospect that you have as a  
> personality.  You need never end as a discreet being growing a soul  
> forever.  That is God's gift to you. God's gift my daughter, is  
> you.  You get to have your life forever, you are real.
>
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> Questioner #2:  Thank you very much, you have been very very helpful.
>
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> Nebadonia:  Again, we are dealing with some unfathomable mysteries  
> here but I hope it teases you to wonder and marvel and bring forth  
> your other most wonderful gift of God, curiosity.  Who am I, what am  
> I?  That is why the Urantia Book gives  you so many orders of  
> personal beings, seraphim and midwayers and melchizedeks and on and  
> on.  One of these days Michael and I will have to give a lesson on  
> time, of the eternal now.  The only thing I would tease you with  
> tonight is that through all your marvelous science fiction, going  
> back in the past or going up in the future and looking around and  
> dodging all kinds of time paradoxes that have been around since, I  
> guess it was Mr. Wells that started this whole thing, it is very  
> difficult to conceive that the future does not exist, it has not  
> happened yet.   So I will leave you with that. Are there any other  
> questions or comments?
>
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> Well now my children,let me bid you all a good evening.  I hope  
> you've had as much fun as I've had.  This is our delight, you are  
> our delight and we are blessed to experience you, your  
> personalities, your souls and still as you can give a gift to God of  
> seeking His will and doing your best to live by it and actually  
> becoming more real by doing so, so too we delight when you turn your  
> minds to us and simply say hi Dad, hello Mom, thank you for me,  
> thank you for being with me.  It really does set us aglow.  I bid  
> you a good evening, be in my love.
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