[tmtranscripts] NEC #14, Jan. 10, 2014

[Roxanne Andrews]

PR 

New Era Conversations #14 - Working with the Magisterial Mission - Jan. 10, 2014
 

Teacher:  Machiventa Melchizedek

 

Topics:

Calling candidates to the Magisterial Mission

Altruistic motivations are preferable

Money as a motivating force

Susan's community team project - addressing individual needs

Addressing the three core values in meeting needs

Adding the co-creative factor in community work

The non-contact factor in society

Celestials use measurements of soul growth and receptivity of the mind

The importance of centering before team meetings

The difficulty of mortals conceiving of a God who cares for each mortal

The direction of the vignettes project

Machiventa's closing statements

 

TR:  Daniel Raphael

Moderators:  Michael McCray and Susan Bryner

 

January 10, 2014
 

[This is a partial transcript for public distribution.  The rest will be published at a later time, per Machiventa's instruction.]

 

Prayer:  Heavenly Father, Michael and Nebadonia, we greet you from the beautiful world of Urantia.  We are most grateful for this wonderful opportunity to speak to our mentors, which always enlarges our horizons of intellectual and spiritual growth.  Our intention for this session is to provide our reading audience with more information for their growth and anticipations about the future plans for our world.  Thank you and amen.

 

Calling candidates to the Magisterial Mission
 

MACHIVENTA:    Good morning, this is Machiventa Melchizedek.  (Group greets him warmly.)  Thank you for your greeting.  It is good to be here with you once again after the Christmas and New Year break.  Our plans are developing very nicely; we are bringing together people who are unlikely candidates, from your perspective, to become enjoined and engaged in our work.  Many of those who are being drawn in truly do not know about the capacity or capability that we are presenting to Urantia.  It is not necessary that everyone understand the context of the Magisterial Mission, or the Teaching Mission, or The Urantia Book, for them to become effective participants and co-creators with us.  It is simply necessary that they have good intention and they see there is a larger connection of all existence in the universe, and that there is an omnipresent, omniscient understanding and knowing that is all powerful to engage all circumstances, both personal and universal.

 

It is important for each of you to remain open minded and see others for the potential that they may bring to our work, rather than being prejudicial or having an ingrained bias due to some preconceived notion about their ethnicity or race, or education, or social circumstance.  You will find that throughout all our work we are accepting of all people and all circumstances who are inclined to help us.  Those who wish to create havoc and to wreak disruption in the world, we do not engage; they have their own angelic and Thought Adjuster connections-if those are still intact-to help them regain a sense of balance and contextual relevance to their lives in the management of this world.

 

MMc:  These people with diverse backgrounds that you speak of, are these the people that you might use money as a motivating force?

 

MACHIVENTA:  No, definitely not necessarily money.

 

MMc:  Okay.  Would you tell us more about your plans to use money as a motivating force?

 

Altruistic motivations are preferable
 

MACHIVENTA:  Let us continue on with the more altruistic motivations first, as that is a more general way in which we prefer to engage those who work with us.  People who have commitment to higher ideals are surely those who fit into the category of altruistic contributions, those who have made a commitment to assist the planet with material sustainability or in some social way to uplift societies, whether that means whole cultures, or simply a family within a small village-or the whole village itself.  The work of Christ Michael and myself and Monjoronson rests upon the shoulders of individuals who subscribe to higher ideals.  Those individuals are service motivated, who see themselves as growing spiritual organisms in God's Universe.  We wish to use all those who are capable, for they will learn the most; they will see the connections between service and growth; they will see the connections between their wholeness and the growing wholeness of their societies; they see the wholeness and the trans-generational continuity within their own families that have brought them to where they are and where they will assist their children to aspire and reach to higher levels of cultural growth and spiritual development.  In many cases, that may be initiated and begun in a church setting, but many times it is not.  More mature minds come to the realization that everything is connected and that there is an "all in one and one in all," that as the one affects the whole, the whole then affects the individual as well.  This creates not only a philosophical holism in the minds of these individuals, but a spiritual connectedness to all that exists.  So, it is in this the train of continuity we wish to use with all these efforts.

 

As I mentioned last time, money is the last holdout, the last respite for attracting people and motivating groups of individuals to participate in this work.  Even then, many of those who will participate due to an influx of funds will oftentimes leave before the end is seen; they will go on to another job or another situation, or seek greener pastures, wherever that might be.  We are quite well aware that the influx of money usually creates far more problems than it creates solutions.

 

Now, your question concerning money?

 

Money as a motivating force
 

MMc:  Would you tell us more about your plans to use money as a motivating force?

 

MACHIVENTA:  We spoke in generalities last time, and as specific as we care to go at this point.  Would it not be wonderful if there were some plan for regeneration of the societies, the civilization of your planet?  Would it not be wonderful if there were some mechanisms for doing that?  Would it not be wonderful if there was a means of empowering positive groups to grow to participate effectively with each other through common, philosophical goals emplaced by pragmatic organizational plans and organizational development?  Money then becomes only the initiating factor to help develop those joint organizations that would eventually become profit-making centers.  No, we do not care to get too specific about money as you have an affinity for dollars and cents, which is "mine," which is "yours" and how I can get "yours" into my pocket.  We are not cynical about this; we are simply very well aware of the difficulties, those pitfalls of human thinking that concerns possessions, materiality and particularly money, which is the acme of materialistic thinking.

 

MMc:  Oh yeah.  I can appreciate that.  Does anybody have any questions for this gentleman?

 

Susan's community team project - addressing individual needs
 

Susan:  I do have a couple.  Machiventa, I would like to talk about a couple in relation to the secular team that I am working with.  We are entering into that time in which we are beginning to distill our discussion of values from the conceptual level to a real and stated level.  The discussion you had with us during our last session was of great assistance to me in broadening my understanding of the three core values.  As I began to view this "striving to become more" as a driving force that is coded in our DNA, I could sense the intricate connectedness of the three values and a positive feedback system.  I'm beginning to see how placing the highest value upon these driving forces within each of us will drive our civilization.  It will drive the health and well being of my children, my family and my community.  So that's where I'm at, at the community level.  

 

One of the questions that arise for me, out of this, has to do with the recognition that people in my community-or any community-are at differing levels in attainment of these needs.  Some are still struggling to secure their physical needs for food and shelter, others have adequate food and shelter and they are focusing, as you said earlier, on their need for security, steady employment, gaining the resources to care for their family, then there are others of us who are blessed with this already and are driven more by social desires, and so on.  So, as a team when we set out this design or create a plan, we will need to take all this into account.  I'm questioning where we begin with this and hoping that you might speak to me about how best to keep this in mind while we address the specific problems in the community.  

 

MACHIVENTA:  Yes, I would be glad to.  This one has helped us in what we will deliver to you.  He too, has struggled with these values-you call them the "driving force."  These three values are the driving force of every individual, and they are interpreted in a hierarchy of needs, as was described by some of your psychiatrists and others in the past, who described a hierarchy of needs.  Those who have less have more basic needs than those who have much.  Some live in houses which are not well insulated and which have need of better plumbing and electricity, and so they seek a better shelter, whereas some people live in a gargantuan house, and have no concerns for that.  

 

So, as you work with this, you will see that the three core values of social sustainability express in all individuals according to their need.  Where some people have need for better shelter, others do not; where some people have need for learning how to be a clerk, working with a teller machine, for instance, or an adding machine, others have this capability already in their mind and are aspiring to other levels.  You are beginning to think as a community planner; you are beginning to think in holistic terms, and that is how we wish you to proceed, if possible.  We know that specific community programs that are funded, can only address certain need levels of individuals within your community.

 

Addressing the three core values in meeting needs
 

We wish you to think in terms of these three values as also assisting individuals to understand where they are in their lives; to think in terms of these three values and how they express in their own lives.  You, for instance, are well cared for.  The three core values have been evident in your life for a long time and have been well fulfilled.  You, as a spiritual aspiring individual, have learned the lessons of ethics and morality and have a social conscience, so that now, you have come to the level of service in your soul growth.  When you begin to see this level of spiritual development within individuals, then you can begin to develop community plans that help various levels of individuals at their need level, while taking advantage of those who have developed wisely and grown well, to become of service.  

 

You, as a planner, would need to know and become acquainted with individuals whom you estimate have completed their levels of inner growth, have a social conscience.  Are they ethical? Are they living morally?  Do they make good moral decisions?  When you see these individuals, then you can call upon them to be of service, because their work with their Thought Adjuster and their Thought Adjuster working with them, will deliver them to you, to work with you in service.  You, as a community planner, with your committee, your team will need to view your community as to where there is the greatest need.  Do most people in your community have a social conscience to know what is appropriate social etiquette, and the rights and wrongs of social conduct?  Is there a need for moral growth, development and instruction?  Is there need for ethical growth, development and instruction?  On the other hand, you may be asking what is holding a group of your community, your populace, back from growing and developing into their potential?  This may become an area that your team would be interested in developing.

 

Your question is most difficult as you are beginning to see the level of service that could be provided in a holistic community.  You are far behind the curve, but you are seeing more than almost anyone in your nation sees in this holistic, spiritual, material, social way of living.  It is daunting to be in your shoes, we know.  

 

Adding the co-creative factor in community work
 

You would be best served as you prepare your team to work together.  Take a few moments of reflection, contemplation and meditation, asking the question, "What do I need to know?  What needs to be revealed to me to assist this team in moving forward, and what do the team members need to have revealed to them to move forward in a constructive way?"  It is here, dear one, that you will find us working co-creatively with you consciously and unbeknownst to your team members, upon your request.  You provide us with the material eyes and material mind to assess the needs of your team, to integrate their thinking and to move forward with an effective planning process and effective project.  It is here where the tire meets the ground, boots on the ground, so to speak, where we and you work together to devise a workable, productive, effective program for a segment or the breadth of your population in your community that achieves goals that we wish to see achieved, and you and your team needs to see achieved.  I have spoken very broadly here in answer to your question.  I hope I have not confused you.

 

Susan:  Thank you; you have spoken broadly, and it has touched on where the answers are when essentially my question was probably, "Where would we begin in the planning process when there are these multiple levels of need and expression of the inner drive that are the three core values?"  One of the things I think I understood out of this was we start, perhaps, at the basic need, the lowest need, but we do this with people who are at a different level, obviously, in their growth.  I think that that was understood.  But.

 

The non-contact factor in society
 

MACHIVENTA:  Let me speak a moment to that, if I may.  I apologize for interrupting you; it is a thought that I do not want to vaporize in this one's mind, and that is there is a level of individuals in every community who are unserviceable, who, no matter how much you help, they will not improve their circumstances in life.  They are the unworkable percentage whose mind mechanisms are incomplete, or unworkable, whose social maturity in learning is so defective as to not be able to use any learning or growing positively for their self-maintenance later.  You only need to make your services available and let them enter into working with you, rather than trying to force-feed every individual who has a need.  There is a certain dropout factor or non-contact factor in every society, who will either not come to your services, or will refuse them, or will not use them effectively.  Do not feel guilty about this; simply make your services available.  Those who come - some will use it wisely, and some will not.  Again, do not feel guilty about those you cannot serve, or who refuse to be served.

 

Susan:  Thank you.  That was an important thought to include in this process for me and for our team.

 

Celestials use measurements of soul growth and receptivity of the mind
 

MACHIVENTA:  Yes, you have your businesses and your foundations, incorporations, [that] have measurements which determine the return on your investment, whether your investment is effective or not, and so we also assess the effectiveness of our programs in the same and similar terms, but with different measurements and ours is soul growth, receptivity of the mind function of individuals, which we can quite exactly measure.

 

Susan:  I think this is helpful and I'm going to again, as you say, let this percolate.  There is going to be another meeting here soon and I'm struggling with how I distill the conversation, the discussion about values to these three core values, which I know will come.  You are telling me to take my time to ask for help and to meditate on this, and to ask my team to be brought to this.  I'm going to trust this process.  I'm very excited about the next step.  I don't have any more comments, unless you do.

 

 

 

 

 

The importance of centering before team meetings

 

MACHIVENTA:  What you are experiencing is vital to us, that you begin to engage us consciously and to trust that we will be of assistance to you, directly, by working with and in the minds of your team.  Some of your team are spiritually connected and some are not so much, but we can work with all of those who actively do not reject us.  The possibility of assistance from us is very real.  Do you use some sort of centering process in the beginning of your team meetings?  It does not necessarily need to be a religious invocation, calling upon God and the Trinity to be of assistance, but some moment of centering, which you may call "come to center," as you have practiced before, a time of personal reflection of intention for being there at your meeting.  This is all in the form of a question.

 

Susan:  Yes, we do; we actually do have someone who is of a great spiritual nature and recognized by all.  He leads us in a prayer with those intentions and everyone seems to take a moment and center around that.  As you say, not everyone is really spiritual, but that has been honored and I think it has worked.

 

MACHIVENTA:  Excellent!  What we are seeking in this moment is a moment of "no thought," a moment of open thought where we. (Laughing.)  It is a signal for us to enter.  Do you understand me?  (Susan:  Yes, I do.)  A point at which we can most succinctly and quickly address each separate mind during that vacant period.  When minds are busy making agendas and thinking and doing and teaching and telling and connecting in their mind, even during prayer, that creates a block for us to enter their minds at that time.  But, if you could engage your spiritual leader of the group to offer the members a five or ten second break in their thinking of "no thought," that would be wonderful for our work to work with you in this way.

 

Susan:  Great!  I will do this; thank you.

 

I have two questions that have been given to me by my brother. 

 

The difficulty of mortals conceiving of a God who cares for each mortal
 

He asks, "I know it takes almost an infinite number of rain drops to fill an ocean. But without each rain drop there would be no ocean. It is this sense of smallness and vastness that makes it so difficult for us to conceive of a God that cares about each raindrop. My question is:  How can we help our brothers and sisters break through this thought barrier of insignificance to believe in a creator God that loves us individually and wants to be in personal relationship with us?"

 

MACHIVENTA:  A wonderful question!  This was all about the life of Jesus.  Christ Michael as Jesus brought a new testament, a new paradigm of belief, whereas in the Hebrew belief God was "out there" and impersonal and so they viewed and talked with God as an impersonal God.  Jesus came to reveal to humankind that God is personal, that God is deeply personal and that God is there for you and with you, and that you are the expression of It in mortal lifetime, that without you, God cannot [experience] Its universe as completely as when you are in union with God.  You are materially God's eyes and ears to experientially engage the material world, which God as an eternal God cannot do.  God has bridged the gap between eternality and materiality through the mind of you, through being present within you as a fragment of Itself to be there literally, personally with you in your mind.  

 

Your acceptance of that in conscious personal relationship is essential for God to fulfill Its completeness.  Thus, when the human mind, human personality begins to appreciate that they are necessary and needed by God to fulfill Its completeness, that makes the relationship between the individual and God much more palpable and much more necessary as a fulfillment of God, which in fact also fulfills the individual in their lifetime and their spiritual ascendant journey.  It is all about the personal; it is all about God being personal.  When people see God as "out there" and distant as the ocean of all, then they have difficulty relating to It and they are simply swimming in the sea of Godness, which is not personal-it is still impersonal.  And so, it is necessary for the person to "hope" that there is a God who is personal, to "believe" that God has the capacity to be personal, has "faith" that God does want a personal relationship, and further "trusts" that this relationship does in fact exist.  All of this leads to the individual eventually "knowing" God from actually experiencing that personal God within them.  

 

Susan:  First "hope," then "belief," then "trust," then experience.  That's wonderful!

 

MACHIVENTA:  Hope, belief, faith, trust and knowing.

 

The direction of the vignettes project
 

Susan:  Thank you, for him.  His second question:  "I sense that there is almost a spiritual instinct that is drawing each of us to the Father, but it seems our rational minds by and large are inclined to doubt and deny all things spiritual which ironically only leads to loneliness and despair. So how can we as light workers motivate our brothers and sisters to seek God in the stillness and to develop a conscious conversational relationship with Father when any thought of being alone with God only exacerbates their fear and anxiety?"

 

MACHIVENTA:  This is the most difficult juxtaposition that exists in the human/God relationship, and this thought of separateness or separation, where sometimes individuals come to know God through the ecstatic joy of gratitude, the infinite dimension of gratitude of feeling and sensing God within, the joy that is expressed in living in God's world, of appreciating flowers and children and insects and sunlight and the seasons, and knowing that it is all coordinated and orchestrated by God.  And, so this person is drawn to God through this ecstatic gratitude and appreciation, the joy of presence of being in God's universe.  However, there are those who cannot express God and know God in God's fullest presence until they have gone to the depths of greatest despair, that which approaches the extinction of themselves, in fact.  There are some who cannot go to those depths without finally reaching to God to save them from the morass of their own rational thinking.  It is the capacity of God, the Thought Adjuster, who provides that instinctual "knowing."   That effervescent presence of God cannot be made manifest until there is acceptance within the rational mind that there is a possibility that God wants to love them, no matter how despicable they feel about themselves, or how desperate and lonely they may be.  

 

It is upon that rock that the ego must be broken, the rational mind must accept that they are incomplete and can only find completion and wholeness in the joy of oneness with God.  Those individuals of the third category, rests upon that fence of belief/disbelief, knowing and unknowing, certainty and uncertainty, that equivocating mind that cannot accept or reject with finality, and it is this mind that your brother wrestles with, that those who are in great despair will of necessity come to know God, either in this lifetime of finding completion, or as they transfer themselves to the afterlife and find that recognition there.  Those in the middle ground who equivocate, they are the ones who know and don't know.  Your brother has done his job, his business of being an evangel of God by presenting the truth to them, whether they accept or not is not his business, and his displeasure and unhappiness that they do not whole-heartedly accept as he has accepted is not his concern.  He has done his part; he has done his business and this is the great difficulty of Fundamental Christians that want the other party to totally know and accept the joy of God and knows with certainty that God exists, and embrace the evangel with that certainty.  His job is complete; he has brought the message to them and the responsibility remains the others'.  His own difficulty in his own service is the crux of this:  He must know that he is the messenger and he has pronounced the message, just as the Mormon angel, Moroni, trumpets from the peak-tops of churches to spread the word to all humankind.  Your brother is doing his job and doing it miraculously; he must rest assured that he has done his job and not equivocate and doubt that he has done his job.  Simply accept that he is doing it and doing a very good job at that.  We hope that this message helps him and helps you understand this more thoroughly.

 

Susan:  Thank you.  I'm feeling like you are saying that he is blowing the Shofar; it's not up to him to motivate.  (Machiventa:  Exactly.)  Those are all the questions that I have at this time, and I'm going to turn this back over to Michael.

 

MACHIVENTA:  Questions from any others?

 

MMc:  Well, I have a considerable number of questions that I'm prepared for to help our audience define and understand the strict concepts that you've given us in the past.  Because so much of this of today's session has been essentially closed, or will be closed until sometime in the future, it might be best since we are almost an hour and twenty minutes into this, we save those questions for another time.  

 

MACHIVENTA:  That is your choice.  Let us work this for another twenty minutes.  It sounds like you have a unit of thought that you would like to go into at one time to complete them all in connection with each other?  If you wish to do that at a later time.

 

MMc:  It's going to take me-with your explanations-it's going to take longer than 20 minutes, I think.

 

MACHIVENTA:  Then let us hold those for next time.

 

Machiventa's closing statements
 

MACHIVENTA:  I have enjoyed this session very much. 

 

You, dear one, Susan, as you work in your community, you too will be gaining insight and confidence in working with us consciously, as you hear through the mouths of your committee members, your team members, the insights that we have shared with them that make sense to them and make sense to the other team members.  It is not that we are making marionettes of you at all-certainly we do not-we simply offer your minds the most appropriate and most optimal references and insights that you can move forward with.  Nonetheless, the human mind, the human decision, the human will can pick and choose what it wishes to express and share.  All of you are beginning to see how we work with you through your conscious willingness to work with us.  When you will to give us the latitude to work with you in your minds, then we do and you see evidence of that in your lives then, through yourself and through others.  

 

Thank you for this opportunity to be a revelator to you, a teacher to you, a master to you, and as your Planetary Prince and Manager as well.  There were many here in attendance today, watching, observing, listening as you were thinking and observing your own thoughts in this process.  We have learned a great deal, as we will learn so much from those we mentioned earlier in today's session.  We send you our blessings, we anoint you with our touch, and know that you are living evidence of Christ Michael's work in your world today.  Good day.  

 

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